EDH Basic Rules

[shikamaru_of_hebi]

Originally Posted by bones13

yeah i agree. that looks to be the one thing that is still an issue. that and i gotta find those dumb missions that change the number of br's needed to win. those just make the format dumb.

here goes a few

[url]http://www.bandaicg.com/naruto/cardlists_detail.php?s=2&c=m079[/url]
[url]http://www.bandaicg.com/naruto/cardlists_detail.php?s=3&c=m099[/url]

there goes 2 i know of...

[bones13]

okay so i was thinking and for the generals that arent so great in this format.

FOR THE BAD ONES:
they would have their Hand Cost go up by 1 each time they die. So it would be 1 then 2 then 3. The maximum for the bad generals is 3.

FOR THE GOOD ONES:
They would have their Hand Cost go up by 2 each time they die. So it would be 2 then 4. The maximum hand cost on the good generals would be 4. So while it is still hard to accomplish that it makes redeploying a broken general a little tough, yet possible.

Any general i don't list in the following list for generals with +2 Hand Cost and a maximum of 4 is considered to be a part of the list for generals with +1 Hand Cost and a maximum of 3.

GENERALS WITH +2 Hand Cost:

N-262 Rock Lee & Might Guy [Passionate Master And Pupil] (Lightning/Wind)
N-264 Shikamaru Nara & Temari [Strong-Arm Tactics] (Wind/Earth)
N-367 Itachi Uchiha & Kisame Hoshigaki [Real Aim] (Fire/Water)
N-391 The Fourth Hokage & Gamabunta [The Power That Sealed The Disaster] (Lightning/Water)
N-414 Sasuke Uchiha & Orochimaru [3 Years Later] (Fire/Water)
N-455 Naruto Uzumaki & Gamabunta [Strange Relationship] (Lightning/Water)
N-494 Naruto Uzumaki & Gaara of the Desert [Until The Day That The Dream Comes True] (Lightning/Wind)
N-495 Temari & Kankuro [Menace of the Sand] (Wind/Earth)
N-500 Hinata Hyuga & Hiashi Hyuga [Successors of the Clan] (Earth/Wind)
N-501 Sasori & Kisame Hoshigaki Swirling Ambition] (Wind/Water)
N-502 Itachi Uchiha & Deidara [Experts of Dangerous Jutsu] (Fire/Earth)
N-633 Rock Lee & Tortoise Ninja [Pupils of the Hot-Blooded Teacher] (Lightning/Earth)
N-us039 Naruto Uzumaki & Gamabunta [Reversed Relationship] (Lightning/Water)
N-us040 Shikamaru Nara & Asuma Sarutobi [Shogi Match] (Wind/Earth)
N-us050 Inoichi Yamanaka & Ino Yamanaka [Combination Strategy] (Earth/Lightning)
N-c014 Jiraiya & Tsunade [Living Legends] (Lightning/Wind)
N-c015 Pakkun & Tonton [Specialists in Olfactory Detection] (Lightning/Wind)

GENERALS WITH +1 Hand Cost:
N-172 Kakashi Hatake & Might Guy [The Most Powerful Pair of the Leaf Village] (Lightning/Fire)
N-186 Naruto Uzumaki & Iruka Umino [No Effect] (Lightning/Fire)
N-204 Naruto Uzumaki & Jiraiya [Master And Pupil] (Lightning/Earth)
N-206 Sakura Haruno & Ino Yamanaka [Rivalry in Love] (Wind/Earth)
N-223 Tsunade & Shizune [Debts] (Wind/Earth)
N-226 Kiba Inuzuka & Akamaru [Outing] (Fire/Earth)
N-233 Naruto Uzumaki & Konohamaru [Playing Ninja] (Lightning/Fire)
N-234 Shikamaru Nara & Choji Akimichi [Longtime Partners] (Lightning/Earth)
N-263 Sasuke Uchiha & Itachi Uchiha [Brothers] (Fire)
N-272 Crow & Black Ant [Puppet Show] (Wind/Earth)
N-278 Naruto Uzumaki & Shikamaru Nara [Reasonable Choice] (Lightning/Earth)
N-306 Naruto Uzumaki & Sakura Haruno [Precious Friend] (Lightning/Wind)
N-363 Orochimaru & Kabuto Yakushi [Forbidden Immortality Jutsu] (Water/Wind)
N-378 Gamakichi & Gamatatsu [Toad Brothers] (Lightning/Wind)
N-392 Naruto Uzumaki & Rock Lee [Passionate Beasts] (Lightning/Fire)
N-406 Naruto Uzumaki & Shadow Clone [Mastering the Secrets of the Rasengan] (Lightning/Fire)
N-441 Naruto Uzumaki & Sakura Haruno [Unexpected Growth] (Lightning/Wind)
N-504 Kiba Inuzuka & Akamaru [The Fang of the Leaf] (Fire/Earth)
N-590 Kakashi Hatake & Might Guy [Piggyback] (Lightning/Fire)
N-us062 Kiba Inuzuka & Akamaru [Oustanding Sense of Smell] (Fire/Earth)
N-us066 Naruto Uzumaki & Sasuke Uchiha [Explosion of the Ultimate Jutsu] (Lightning/Fire)
N-us067 Naruto Uzumaki & Kiba Inuzuka [The Fellows That Fight Together] (Lightning/Fire)
N-us068 Naruto Uzumaki & Neji Hyuga [The Genius And The Knucklehead] (Lightning/Earth)
N-us079 Naruto Uzumaki & Gamakichi [Son's Favor] (Lightning/Wind)
N-us084 Neji Hyuga & Hizashi Hyuga [Decoy of the Main Branch] (Earth/Wind)
N-us109 The Third Hokage & Monkey King Enma [Bond of Reliance] (Fire)
N-us110 Jiraiya & Gamabunta [Bond of Reliance] (Lightning)
N-us113 Hanabi Hyuga & Hiashi Hyuga [Strict Discipline] (Earth/Wind)
N-us119 Kakashi Hatake & Might Guy [Enternal Rivalry] (Lightning/Fire)
N-c009 Naruto Uzumaki & Gamabunta [Role Reversal] (Lightning/Water)
N-c010 Sasuke Uchiha & Sakura Haruno [What I Should Protect] (Fire/Wind)
N-c011 Neji Hyuga & Tenten [Reliable Companion] (Wind/Earth)
N-c012 Kakashi Hatake & Iruka Umino [Watching Students Grow] (Lightning/Fire)
N-c013 Asuma Sarutobi & Kurenai Yuhi [Fighting Together] (Wind/Earth)
N-c016 Zabuza Momochi & Haku [Tragic Bond] (Water/Wind)

also if i missed one or repeated one on both lists by accident please let me know cause doing this at 1 a.m. i was a little tired.

[Shino'sDad]

I don't really like the idea of a cap for the handcost increase. This is only because of the fact that if an EDH deck is meant to use the General as a centerpiece (which it IS), then people should be rewarded for devoting resources into killing off their opponents generals. I know I felt good when I was able to knock out someone's already 1 HC general twice and have them have to pay a ton of cards to play him again.

At the same time, it balances with the only +1 handcost per extra time being played. People wanting to get rid of your general is worth giving them a chance to more easily replaying it, but at the same time, that increased ease of playing it is kept in check by having no extra HC cap so that if someone really devoted their jutsu and effects to killing your general, they get something out of it.

[superbluff5]

Since you guys are banning the Fastest Ones does this mean that anything that would refer to 10 BRs also refer to 15 or 20 BRs?

i.e.

10 BRs in standard = 20 BRs in EDH


BTW, it feels weird using the term standard....

[Nagrom]

i dont like the idea of the different handcosts....
its your choice to pick the general, deal with it.......
its just more rules to remember...............
its generally(see what i did there?) not needed......
and to top it off, why cant we all be equal?

[superbluff5]

Originally Posted by Nagrom

i dont like the idea of the different handcosts....
its your choice to pick the general, deal with it.......
its just more rules to remember...............
its generally(see what i did there?) not needed......
and to top it off, why cant we all be equal?

because certain smarty pants from team hawk exist

[bones13]

Originally Posted by Nagrom

i dont like the idea of the different handcosts....
its your choice to pick the general, deal with it.......
its just more rules to remember...............
its generally(see what i did there?) not needed......
and to top it off, why cant we all be equal?

the reason i would like different HC is because removal is limited and some generals has many baaaroken effects. and going up +1 for some seems a little dumb.

[kirbyrocks101]

Originally Posted by bones13

the reason i would like different HC is because removal is limited and some generals has many baaaroken effects. and going up +1 for some seems a little dumb.

just do +2 for all then
because even one +1/+2 list will be diffrent

[bones13]

Originally Posted by kirbyrocks101

just do +2 for all then
because even one +1/+2 list will be diffrent

+2 was originally what i've wanted. i was trying to do something as a compromise.

[Saitsuofleaves]

Originally Posted by bones13

+2 was originally what i've wanted. i was trying to do something as a compromise.

Maybe force them to give up BR's along with the +1 HC so that way there's a greater penalty for spamming PiP Generals.