Updated "Rogue Card List" Discussion

[texans07]

To all Naruto CCG players,

After much discussion and consideration I would like to bring to your attention that there has been an update to the Naruto CCG "Rogue Card List", please take note and see the following ink: http://www.bandaicg.com/naruto/showthread.php?t=66319

Discuss and enjoy!

[sasuke28]

1st!!!

well i think that this change was a good thing, but u didnt really have to put sasori of the red sand in there but its better that they did. seeing that ppl just bring out kank and saly all the time when they dont even run puppets. i just dont think its fair. so i agree these changes were good.

[DeadJiraiya]

So, to sum things up:

- SCJ, Clouds, Emina and TN are still Limited to 1

- Joining them are Kank Tactician, SOTRS, Shino IW and LAR

- Jiraiya Instruction is going up to 2

Yay for Lightning with Jiraiya going up to 2, and Kank going on the list was expected, but wtf at Shino, LAR and SOTRS going on this list...especially SOTRS.

[Monk_of_the_Blue_Roses]

And Once Again Bandai you Go Way too Far! LAR should be At least a 2 of... Sasori Should Be a 2 of (they really Didnt Need to be Here on the List At all...), Shino Just Needed An Errata to Say: when this Ninja is Deployed, and Kank-A-Jank was the Only Card that really Needed to be there... But All he Needed Was an Errata As well Just make it so His Put the Puppet into Play effect isnt Valid then he isnt Broke Sauce Because Shruiken'ng his Face to Stop a Free Puppet would Be Cool...

[Poo Toucher]

wow, just wow.

Bandai, do you really need my money? because I was just announcing my exit on this game like less than 24 hours ago:/

I might want to re-think that, because my deck just went waayy up in playability....

[Evil Shikamaru]

Bandai made a poor choice with Kankuro, got lazy and put in on the **** list.

I may consider quitting if this continues, what a load of bull.

WHY would they get rid of Puppet's only tutor, and then just the other tutor in general? Tutoring is important in 50 card decks...

I'm still quite confused by SOTRS and SHINO??? Come out...Shino??

This is stupid and now Shino/Kiba may not see play anymore.

[Poo Toucher]

Bandai made a poor choice with Kankuro, got lazy and put in on the **** list.

I may consider quitting if this continues, what a load of bull.

WHY would they get rid of Puppet's only tutor, and then just the other tutor in general? Tutoring is important in 50 card decks...

I'm still quite confused by SOTRS and SHINO??? Come out...Shino??

This is stupid and now Shino/Kiba may not see play anymore.

shino spat in the face of all rush decks, so I applaud that.

Kankuro needed something, the list was not optimal, but at least it's something:/

the two tutors was a bit of a shock, I'm a lil taken back on that one right now.

[Zero Master Of Percision]

Terrible list is terrible.

[DeadJiraiya]

Terrible list is terrible.

So you said in the GenDis version of this topic, Zero. Like someone else asked, could you please elaborate? If there's one thing everyone loves to hear/read, it's your specific take on things.

[Evil Shikamaru]

shino spat in the face of all rush decks, so I applaud that.

Kankuro needed something, the list was not optimal, but at least it's something:/

the two tutors was a bit of a shock, I'm a lil taken back on that one right now.

Shino was just Shino.

Shino helped Rush Decks, Shino hurt Rush Decks.
If a Rush deck played him, he was happy.
If someone played it against a Rush deck, that person was happy.

Shino was fine, it allowed decks that have crappy early game to stand a chance. (EX: Water)

[Zero Master Of Percision]

So you said in the GenDis version of this topic, Zero. Like someone else asked, could you please elaborate? If there's one thing everyone loves to hear/read, it's your specific take on things.

I explained over is gendis.

[Monk_of_the_Blue_Roses]

I explained over is gendis.

I Now Understand the reasoning of Limiting LAR and Sasori of the red Sand... Laziness on Part of the Bandai Crew... Dude Really Just Get New People To run the Card Dept.(Mostly Just the Playtesters Because than Cards Like Kankuro Wouldnt Ever be Way too Broken) Bandai Because Clearly... They Are too Failz...

All I have to Say Is Bandai There has Better Be a Card for Earth That Draws Like 5-6 Cards Or Yea... Epic Failz on Part of LAR...

[Evil Shikamaru]

Puppets has two choices now:
A. Only run 1 Kankuro
B. Run 1 Tactician and 1 Mimicry/Trick

Blek...both sound terrible. I guess Mimicry is my best friend.

[Ninjutsu]

Puppets has two choices now:
A. Only run 1 Kankuro
B. Run 1 Tactician and 1 Mimicry/Trick

Blek...both sound terrible. I guess Mimicry is my best friend.

I KNOW doesn't that make you die alittle inside:D either way i try to play the anti-meta so as long as they don't restrict the realy obscure itacji i'm using i'll be fine

[hahonryuu]

So you said in the GenDis version of this topic, Zero. Like someone else asked, could you please elaborate? If there's one thing everyone loves to hear/read, it's your specific take on things.

i lol'd


guess im not part of "everyone" am i. fine, didnt want to be part of your stupid club anyway :p

seriously though...im surprised how much i agreed with zero. that happends like...once every few uproars

[FinalValkyrie]

And Fire will continue to dominate.

[Sunnny_Day]

I can understand the reasoning behind the updates.

yep. lol.

they're just stopping Kank. that's all.

yep, seriously. ahah.

edit: well, i was a bit surprised at Shino IW. ahhh well.

[Genre]

Now that Kankuro is limited to 1, I am pretty sure it'll see play in all decks (people will now trade/sell theirs away to others). He's still stapleish. Definitely needed to be on that list though.

Shino didn't need to be on that list. Maybe limit 2. Now the Shino/Kiba squad lost playability.

LAR should've been limit to 2... fire and earth got hit hard with this. Not good.

SoTRS lololol... OK?

LAR and Clouds should be limited to 2.

[LordxJiraiya]

man the kank thats just lame, but Shino!!!! why the hell did you do that and LAR T_T this is a very sad day

[thefourth]

LAR hurts me the most here all others I dont care


-the4th-

[redking]

yay Jiraiya is back 2 copies are better then one ok tell me why LAR and Sasori you know that fire just takes major blow after major blow first drifting and Now LAR wow shino why maybe to 2 copies.But i'm happy take that spamkuro you deserve it man the world is just maybe not but still now we have to see what deck rules the sanin:D

[Zabuza Hellsing]

What is your problem Bandai? only 1 card in the list deserved to be added as a 1 of that you just added, and that was kankuro.

You now have pretty much just removed fire and earth completely out of the game with LAR gone since Fire is limited in draw and earth now will have nothing to use at all
.
SOTRS is a bit understandable, but really....that's just the stupidest idea ever.

Shino....WTF!!!!!!? Shino is one that can earn a limit, but not 1. He would have been fine as a 2 of.

You better change your ideas on the list again, or you seriously will not see many people actually play at gencon.

[killerkimimaro]

Oh my god they finally put kankuro tactician on the list. I am so happy with this list. But I don't really know why shino is on there but still this is great

edit: I just realized that sasuke is not on there, thank god though because then I would be angry

[killerkimimaro]

What is your problem Bandai? only 1 card in the list deserved to be added as a 1 of that you just added, and that was kankuro.

You now have pretty much just removed fire and earth completely out of the game with LAR gone since Fire is limited in draw and earth now will have nothing to use at all
.
SOTRS is a bit understandable, but really....that's just the stupidest idea ever.

Shino....WTF!!!!!!? Shino is one that can earn a limit, but not 1. He would have been fine as a 2 of.

You better change your ideas on the list again, or you seriously will not see many people actually play at gencon.

I think every card on that list deserves to be there except for JLDC and shino.
But still shino is a great card that can give you a huge advantage the begining of the game

[killerkimimaro]

And Fire will continue to dominate.

agreed people act like this will kill fire forever but it won't

[Mera Mera Ace]

..... SotRS? Seriously? WTF...

And not even 2 days ago, my teammate trades his Goals for Kanks..

[killerkimimaro]

Bandai made a poor choice with Kankuro, got lazy and put in on the **** list.

I may consider quitting if this continues, what a load of bull.

WHY would they get rid of Puppet's only tutor, and then just the other tutor in general? Tutoring is important in 50 card decks...

I'm still quite confused by SOTRS and SHINO??? Come out...Shino??

This is stupid and now Shino/Kiba may not see play anymore.

kankuro is the number one card that needed to be on that list. He was way to broken

[CopyEyeKakashi]

The list=Fail.

[Mera Mera Ace]

The list=Fail.

QFT, but with epic added..

[Zabuza Hellsing]

kankuro is the number one card that needed to be on that list. He was way to broken

He was the ONLY card that needed to be on the list, why could it not just be him?

LAR is a helpful card for fire or earth, and by limiting that, you crippled decks with them

SOTRS I can understand a bit since kank and all puppet guys can be grabbed

Shino I really think should not have been bothered or limited to 2 since now it makes shino/kiba harder to pull off as well as can screw you over if you don't draw him

[missingo]

..... SotRS? Seriously? WTF...

And not even 2 days ago, my teammate trades his Goals for Kanks..
If they limited LAR they had to limit SotRS as well so that no deck could have 3 Tutors and 1 Kank. The logic there is sound, but that sound logic is built upon horrible logic.

Kankuro: This does nothing to actually fix Kankuro except its now extremely lucky to whoever gets him. Most times you will not be able to respond to their Kankuro with your own. This is bad for the game, and I know the whole who draws what and who doesn't has been used for this list before, but Kakuro is the worst. You can match up against TN without a TN, but you can't match a 7/7 Jonin with your Hayate or Sakura.

Shino: I don't mind this, he was arguable the best zero drop in the game, and this will open up more slots.

LAR: WTF, seriously Bandai. Yes, fire has been topping/winning a lot of events but its is extremely crippled when you take away both JLDC and LAR down to 1. Fire has almost no way to curve now besides shear dumb luck. Either have 1 of the cards at 3 and the other at 1, or have both at 2. That's the only way this is agreeable, but Bandai this is a shame.

Water: Lol, Water got hit by nothing. Some logic on previous cards and the shear fact that Water will have a huge chance to control future events with a deck that was already winning Chunins. This is bad. You killed Lightning, You crippled Fire, You scratched Wind, but did absolutely nothing to Water. Water and Wind both need to take bigger hits.

[CopyEyeKakashi]

He was the ONLY card that needed to be on the list, why could it not just be him?

LAR is a helpful card for fire or earth, and by limiting that, you crippled decks with them
if you get rid of one search, you get rid of them all
SOTRS I can understand a bit since kank and all puppet guys can be grabbed
No, SOTRS made puppets and now puppets is out.
Shino I really think should not have been bothered or limited to 2 since now it makes shino/kiba harder to pull off as well as can screw you over if you don't draw him
there was no problem with shino
QFT, but with epic added..

Nah the list just made me shake my head.

[foggy]

ok i can see why they did shino iw and lar now that they are in starter decks and easy to get and im sure bandai doesn't want the idiotic babies who cry "FIRE IS BROKERZ" to come at them with pitchforks saying why they put lar in a starter deck, so in the end they put in on restriction list, and another reason is that lar and shino iw would be all over the meta with how easy they are to get now.

i can understan kankuro to one since everyone used two, so limiting to two does absolutely nothing and puppet deck users can always use 1 trick 1 mimicy and 1 tactician or 2 trick and 1 tactician or something like that

and now for my rant :D

SOTRS?!?!?!??!? WTF

WHY BANDAI WHY? What did puppet decks ever do to you but entertain you with their own versions of pinochio(however you spell it). Puppets just lost most of it's playability and now you have puppet users with the mob right behind you with their freshly bought pitchforks waiting to have their piece of the "RAGE AT BANDAI" action, chasing you at every corner you take.....

[missingo]

ok i can see why they did shino iw and lar now that they are in starter decks and easy to get and im sure bandai doesn't want the idiotic babies who cry "FIRE IS BROKERZ" to come at them with pitchforks saying why they put lar in a starter deck, so in the end they put in on restriction list, and another reason is that lar and shino iw would be all over the meta with how easy they are to get now.

i can understan kankuro to one since everyone used two, so limiting to two does absolutely nothing and puppet deck users can always use 1 trick 1 mimicy and 1 tactician or 2 trick and 1 tactician or something like that

and now for my rant :D

SOTRS?!?!?!??!? WTF

WHY BANDAI WHY? What did puppet decks ever do to you but entertain you with their own versions of pinochio(however you spell it). Puppets just lost most of it's playability and now you have puppet users with the mob right behind you with their freshly bought pitchforks waiting to have their piece of the "RAGE AT BANDAI" action, chasing you at every corner you take.....
SotRS is a cover because they didn't fix Kankuro. If Wind could tutor Kankuro with 3 in their deck that would be unfair so they limited it and LAR. It's bad logic, I know, but with the route they're taking its the best route..if that makes sense.

[foggy]

SotRS is a cover because they didn't fix Kankuro. If Wind could tutor Kankuro with 3 in their deck that would be unfair so they limited it and LAR. It's bad logic, I know, but with the route they're taking its the best route..if that makes sense.

when it's bandai logic it stopped making sense when they decided to shortprint FR, so nothing they do now is logical

[foggy]

If they limited LAR they had to limit SotRS as well so that no deck could have 3 Tutors and 1 Kank. The logic there is sound, but that sound logic is built upon horrible logic.

Kankuro: This does nothing to actually fix Kankuro except its now extremely lucky to whoever gets him. Most times you will not be able to respond to their Kankuro with your own. This is bad for the game, and I know the whole who draws what and who doesn't has been used for this list before, but Kakuro is the worst. You can match up against TN without a TN, but you can't match a 7/7 Jonin with your Hayate or Sakura.

Shino: I don't mind this, he was arguable the best zero drop in the game, and this will open up more slots.

LAR: WTF, seriously Bandai. Yes, fire has been topping/winning a lot of events but its is extremely crippled when you take away both JLDC and LAR down to 1. Fire has almost no way to curve now besides shear dumb luck. Either have 1 of the cards at 3 and the other at 1, or have both at 2. That's the only way this is agreeable, but Bandai this is a shame.

Water: Lol, Water got hit by nothing. Some logic on previous cards and the shear fact that Water will have a huge chance to control future events with a deck that was already winning Chunins. This is bad. You killed Lightning, You crippled Fire, You scratched Wind, but did absolutely nothing to Water. Water and Wind both need to take bigger hits.

yet, getting rid of kankuro and SotRS hit wind more than they have hit earth yet

[missingo]

yet, getting rid of kankuro and SotRS hit wind more than they have hit earth yet
Wind was the top deck in the format, and Earth by no means needs hit. Water is the only deck that needs hit right now, and Wind could get hit a bit more.

[Mera Mera Ace]

when it's bandai logic it stopped making sense when they decided to shortprint FR, so nothing they do now is logical

-_-...

It was printed on a business level based on last set sales, bandai cant control how much we buy. This isnt the time or place for this idiotic statement.

This list is just stupid... Way to bone over Puppets!

[missingo]

-_-...

It was printed on a business level based on last set sales, bandai cant control how much we buy. This isnt the time or place for this idiotic statement.

This list is just stupid... Way to bone over Puppets!
Puppets kinda were a head above most decks..

[Mera Mera Ace]

Puppets kinda were a head above most decks..

Fire was still top dog, Puppets was the deck right under it. And now its just Fire left to win Sannin for the 3rd time in a row >_<.

[missingo]

Fire was still top dog, Puppets was the deck right under it. And now its just Fire left to win Sannin for the 3rd time in a row >_<.
Uhh, Puppets was clearly the best deck in the format. Fire was alright, probably 2nd best. And Fire got hit way harder than Wind did.

[SharinganHeir]

Terrible list is terrible.

QFT

Limiting Kankuro changes nothing except killing real puppet decks. He can and will still be splashed with that 1 Salamander, but now it'll be in non-wind decks more often than not.

Putting him on the list was major major fail. That is a card that needs an errata, not a restriction. Anyone that can't see that is blind and hopefully playing with this list for a while will open people's eyes.

As for Shino, LAR, and SotRS, WTF!

[Mera Mera Ace]

Uhh, Puppets was clearly the best deck in the format. Fire was alright, probably 2nd best. And Fire got hit way harder than Wind did.

Puppet is basically over now. Yeah, theres still Mimicry and Trick Puppets, but they arent that great at all. Fire was insane. Top 4 at Mist had at least 2 Fire in top 4, Idk what the 4th place deck was. Did Puppets even top 4/8 at Mist?

[foggy]

Wind was the top deck in the format, and Earth by no means needs hit. Water is the only deck that needs hit right now, and Wind could get hit a bit more.

i want them to hit every element except wind and see which you complain about most, and leave that one too unplayable to ever be competitive and never bring it back, then we see what you want bandai to hit

Fire was still top dog, Puppets was the deck right under it. And now its just Fire left to win Sannin for the 3rd time in a row >_<.

and yes fire was top dog not wind missingo

[hokage333]

this is not good. i like jitaya at 2, kank at 1, but SHINO?!?!?!? the shino kiba squad is pretty much unplayable now>.> shino should be 2, not 1. that was a retarded move, bandai. LAR should also be 2. so now i have 2 edit my deck.

[salamence]

Kankuro(T) shouldn't have been on there it should be errated...

I don't even know why they put up Shino(IW), I mean everyone can get it now so it shouldn't be a problem, and now Shino/Kiba just lost almost all playability...

Limiting LAR is just a terrible idea, but its understandable so that no element has 3 of any tutor....

SotRS is just fine but they just killed uppets with it though...

Hopefully this list will change to limit LAR to two instead of one...

[KISAME 123]

sotrs=WTF it shouldnt be on the list. the main purpose was to get kankuro then get saly. now kankuro is down to 1 (which i hate because now my puppet deck got destroyed) which then means sotrs shouldnt be on the list! oh sure you can get the other puppet masters but 2 dont tutor (sasori and ebizo ) and 1 does (chyio) but if you can only run 1 sotrs( and you are most likely to get kankuro) then you have to draw them. Unless you make a new tutor.


also everybody if the big J. went to 2 doesn't mean the others cant like sotrs or shino

shino being to one means tempo will kill people easier.

lar=another Wtf sure it hits fire but it also hits EARTH!!!

kankuro= i understand

Also where is SASUKE CH on the list he should be down to one

[FenMiHuo]

They are turning the game into a "if I draw this 1 random card I win"
Kankuro needed to be banned, and wtf is with LAR and Sasori of the Red Sands? Shino I could almost understand but SotRS and LAR were only restricted because they dont want people getting to their 1 kankuros, they should have just banned/errattad it and been done.

[salamence]

Sasuke(CH) isn't a problem you really have to build around him to make him effective so he can't be splashed into every deck like Kankuro(T), and if Sasori of the Red of the Red Sand wasn't limited Wind would be the only element to consistently get Kankuro out


All bandia has to do is errata Kankuro(T) then cards like LAR and SotRS would not be a huge problem anymore, so they would most likely remove them from the list

[Master Wang]

I like it.

Tactician: Didn't need to be rogue'd but it will be played a lot less. Everyone ran at least 2 of him per deck, don't tell me 1 isn't gonna change anything.

Shino: Shino/Kiba squad is still playable. There are other Shino's for early game if you really want him. I like this, because it deters from the same monotonous early game of at least 2 Shino's, 2 Kiba's in every deck. I'm fine with this.

LAR/SotRS: Very surprising, indeed. However, of the cards added, these needed to be errata'd more. SotRS was just silly and LAR was too flexible. I am disheartened though that my earth got nerfed by this, but I can accept this and move on.

Jiraiya: Just fine.

I find nothing too far wrong with this. These cards were a heavy presence and frankly, the playing field is now more level. Other early game ninjas and draw power are the simple answers to everyone's gripe. This is a good list.

[Kisame8988]

Water seems to run rampant again. More news at 11.

[Ninetailedfox100]

SHIno!!!!!! LAR!!!!!!!!!! no!!!!!!!!!!!!

p.s. WHerE is SaSukE?

[salamence]

Why does everyone think Sasuke is broken? I mean you have to build a deck around him or he is just a 6/2 vanilla on turn 4, there is nothing wrong with that but his effect works well if you properly play him, and why couldn't they just errata Kankuro so that way Earth gets to keep LAR?

[ShariganEyedJack]

Perfect in everyway. Calms down current meta, and if people would look at it again, leaves new and possibly better combos.

[garrangel]

Kankuro should have been outright banned, not put to one.

[Gryphon of the Mist]

Okay bandai, Now you ****ed me off. I could deal with Drifting because it was the best draw in the game. But now you take Shino and Limit him to 1???? ITS THE ONLY GOOD VERSION OF HIM TO EVER COME OUT!!!!!!! You piddle around the character the entire game making him a **** turn 1 ninja 90% of the time when he should be a turn 0 and now the first good one you make you now make him limit 1???????

Pssh get it together.

[ShariganEyedJack]

Okay bandai, Now you ****ed me off. I could deal with Drifting because it was the best draw in the game. But now you take Shino and Limit him to 1???? ITS THE ONLY GOOD VERSION OF HIM TO EVER COME OUT!!!!!!! You piddle around the character the entire game making him a **** turn 1 ninja 90% of the time when he should be a turn 0 and now the first good one you make you now make him limit 1???????

Pssh get it together.

[TBI] Great Shino. I'm so happy to be able to use him again.

[StormVyper]

and yes fire was top dog not wind missingo

No, Puppets spat in Fire's face. Fire was second. Only time Fire could be considered top was when it was mixed with Puppets.

Also, this list is terrible.

[missingo]

i want them to hit every element except wind and see which you complain about most, and leave that one too unplayable to ever be competitive and never bring it back, then we see what you want bandai to hit



and yes fire was top dog not wind missingo
What? That didn't make sense..

No, wind was. Lrn2compete.

[dawn_bringer]

This list just made water broken sauce.

[Gryphon of the Mist]

[TBI] Great Shino. I'm so happy to be able to use him again.

Point still valid. He is turn one with stats of a turn 0 and a crappy ability. Statement Denied.

[TheInfamousCrow]

My Thoughts

-I like how Bandai just released Shino and LAR in starters and then they limit
them before any major tournaments.

-I also have to applaud the complete and utter inconsistency of when updates are announced.

-And you just gotta love how they destroyed shino/kiba's playability and fire's best draw engine.

-Seriously Bandai this is crap Upperdeck would pull

-EA had best make up for this otherwise teh people is gonna be mad :D

[Zabuza Hellsing]

Well apparently since all the good alternate builds are kinda dead, why don't you **** over water now Bandai? do that and we all can have different ideas.


here is what will be added next, and hopefully before indy

Ghost Panic
Sasuke CH

I so want to prove they will be limited next and then we are back to set 1, where nobody has a clue what to use

[ItachiAnbu]

Way to limit to two best tutors in the game, bandai.

*sigh*

Dude, I'm learning to hate this list.

[ItachiAnbu]

Well apparently since all the good alternate builds are kinda dead, why don't you **** over water now Bandai? do that and we all can have different ideas.


here is what will be added next, and hopefully before indy

Ghost Panic
Sasuke CH

I so want to prove they will be limited next and then we are back to set 1, where nobody has a clue what to use

Sure, I wouldn't have a problem with that.

[Vic]

Wow, this totally blows.

[OneWingedAngel]

Well apparently since all the good alternate builds are kinda dead, why don't you **** over water now Bandai? do that and we all can have different ideas.


here is what will be added next, and hopefully before indy

Ghost Panic
Sasuke CH

I so want to prove they will be limited next and then we are back to set 1, where nobody has a clue what to use

Not Ghost Panic, Furrious Current instead.

[foggy]

No, Puppets spat in Fire's face. Fire was second. Only time Fire could be considered top was when it was mixed with Puppets.

Also, this list is terrible.

What? That didn't make sense..

No, wind was. Lrn2compete.

ever think where you live your fire decks just plain aren't good? or people don't know how to run them? my fire deck was able to beat my freinds puppet deck plenty of times, all you do is run mangekyo and 8 trigrams to get rid of their ninjas, sharingan eye for negation, and chidori and lightning blade to overpower them, if your area can't fit this all into a deck too bad for them

[foggy]

My Thoughts

-I like how Bandai just released Shino and LAR in starters and then they limit
them before any major tournaments.

-I also have to applaud the complete and utter inconsistency of when updates are announced.

-And you just gotta love how they destroyed shino/kiba's playability and fire's best draw engine.

-Seriously Bandai this is crap Upperdeck would pull

-EA had best make up for this otherwise teh people is gonna be mad :D

i hope you're not talking about yu-gi-oh because konami owns that now, not upperdeck

[shika's shadow]

wtf bandia. LAR 1? is it so u cant search 4 kank??? earth needs LAR!!!!!!!!! sotrs wtf too. 2 LAR 2 jldc. fair eh. wait a sec, power draw! y isnt sakura's decision on there? puppets r new, an they just got bounced. pre OC thematics FLL. kiba shino bye bye . kank is fine. but wtf deck sales good bye. yugioh much ( not in the harsh way ) I quit yugioh cuz the list. jldc 2 LAR error 4 just earth IT NEEDS IT. im done venting

[Heldigunner1]

My Thoughts

-I like how Bandai just released Shino and LAR in starters and then they limit
them before any major tournaments.

-I also have to applaud the complete and utter inconsistency of when updates are announced.

-And you just gotta love how they destroyed shino/kiba's playability and fire's best draw engine.

-Seriously Bandai this is crap Upperdeck would pull

-EA had best make up for this otherwise teh people is gonna be mad :D

Any major tournament, a kage isn't major.

[killerkimimaro]

I like it.

Tactician: Didn't need to be rogue'd but it will be played a lot less. Everyone ran at least 2 of him per deck, don't tell me 1 isn't gonna change anything.

Shino: Shino/Kiba squad is still playable. There are other Shino's for early game if you really want him. I like this, because it deters from the same monotonous early game of at least 2 Shino's, 2 Kiba's in every deck. I'm fine with this.

LAR/SotRS: Very surprising, indeed. However, of the cards added, these needed to be errata'd more. SotRS was just silly and LAR was too flexible. I am disheartened though that my earth got nerfed by this, but I can accept this and move on.

Jiraiya: Just fine.


I find nothing too far wrong with this. These cards were a heavy presence and frankly, the playing field is now more level. Other early game ninjas and draw power are the simple answers to everyone's gripe. This is a good list.

Wow I coudn't agree with your more. Everything you said is very true.

[killerkimimaro]

Well apparently since all the good alternate builds are kinda dead, why don't you **** over water now Bandai? do that and we all can have different ideas.


here is what will be added next, and hopefully before indy

Ghost Panic
Sasuke CH

I so want to prove they will be limited next and then we are back to set 1, where nobody has a clue what to use

As much as I hate to say it they may hit water soon since everything else got hit pretty hard

[killerkimimaro]

SHIno!!!!!! LAR!!!!!!!!!! no!!!!!!!!!!!!

p.s. WHerE is SaSukE?

sauke has been proven to not be that big of a problem

[killerkimimaro]

This list just made water broken sauce.

you guys are not making any since, its only lar and shino iw, they are not what people build decks around

[Sharingan_Warrior5693]

As much as I hate to say it they may hit water soon since everything else got hit pretty hard

I agree with you. Water is the only deck that has not been hurt.

Wind: Loss of Kankuro and SotRS will hurt them but not much. Puppets still have lots of tutors.

Fire: Lost ist 2 best missions but they can be replaced

Earth: Was strugling to clim to the top but Bandai just kicked it backdown the mountai, hopefuly Yamato can save them.

Lightning: Took the biggest hit from the list as it killed one of lightnings best deck types but lightning is still playable now that Jryihas at 2

Water: Perfectly Fine. Didn't lose a single thing except people that splash in Shino and Kank.

This list only upsets me on one point, LAR! Now I have to replace it with either JI or Tracking by Ninja Hounds. Bandai will probably lose some money on this because people won't be dishing out lots of cash to get 3 Kankuro's anymor, and I was going to go out and buy a starter deck just to get IW. Bandai I hope this list gets updated before GenCon or there will be a lot less attendees.

[Megamarik]

I really like how they just released the starter decks with LAR and Shino in them, and then restrict them.

[ItachiAnbu]

Wow I coudn't agree with your more. Everything you said is very true.

As much as I hate to say it they may hit water soon since everything else got hit pretty hard

sauke has been proven to not be that big of a problem

you guys are not making any since, its only lar and shino iw, they are not what people build decks around

Nice quadruple post.

[uchiha_906_nub]

IMO

Kankuro--- was truly good. He's still good with only one.. alright call

Shino IW--- to me, better to have been errated to "deploy"

LAR---Ouch that stung.. aah fire still has shadow in the moonlight and tsunade's guess, They're not as good but at least they're something. so not such a hit.
Take out the fire element and make it only earth, cuz they just got PWNED...again....

SOTRS--- well puppets, they're good and all but kankuro was a big enough hit for them. there still is ebizo, (i think he tutors):D


Jiraiya--- well that's good


This list only upsets me on one point, LAR! Now I have to replace it with either JI or Tracking by Ninja Hounds. Bandai will probably lose some money on this because people won't be dishing out lots of cash to get 3 Kankuro's anymor, and I was going to go out and buy a starter deck just to get IW. Bandai I hope this list gets updated before GenCon or there will be a lot less attendees.

:EDIT:
well, Sharingan_warrior, in card games, playability is sometimes more important than money
its a "win,lose" either way you put it

[StormVyper]

ever think where you live your fire decks just plain aren't good? or people don't know how to run them? my fire deck was able to beat my freinds puppet deck plenty of times, all you do is run mangekyo and 8 trigrams to get rid of their ninjas, sharingan eye for negation, and chidori and lightning blade to overpower them, if your area can't fit this all into a deck too bad for them

So because your Fire deck can beat your friend's Puppet deck, that must mean that Fire is the best deck in the format? Maybe your friend just has a bad Puppet deck? Maybe he just doesn't know how to use it correctly? It's this type of thinking that makes people facepalm when someone mentions the Bandai forums. =/

It's all irrelevant because the fact of the matter is, Puppet variants were winning more events than Fire was. Puppets were better than Fire. If you don't believe me, just ask around.

[ItachiAnbu]

So because your Fire deck can beat your friend's Puppet deck, that must mean that Fire is the best deck in the format? Maybe your friend just has a bad Puppet deck? Maybe he just doesn't know how to use it correctly? It's this type of thinking that makes people facepalm when someone mentions the Bandai forums. =/

It's all irrelevant because the fact of the matter is, Puppet variants were winning more events than Fire was. Puppets were better than Fire. If you don't believe me, just ask around.

Eh, puppets was great, and is great, but fire is just as good. I'm sure there's always going to be bad players and good players, indeed, one type defines itself by the other. You cannot have good without bad. The Yin and the Yang. So debating such a topic is pointless.

But, Fire has always been my favored element.

[StormVyper]

Eh, puppets was great, and is great, but fire is just as good. I'm sure there's always going to be bad players and good players, indeed, one type defines itself by the other. You cannot have good without bad. The Yin and the Yang. So debating such a topic is pointless.

But, Fire has always been my favored element.

It's not even a debate, he's arguing against a fact. Puppets variants took more events than Fire did this format, therefore Puppets are better than Fire. That's like arguing that the sun doesn't actually set in the West, it's asinine. =/

[animefanatic]

So because your Fire deck can beat your friend's Puppet deck, that must mean that Fire is the best deck in the format? Maybe your friend just has a bad Puppet deck? Maybe he just doesn't know how to use it correctly? It's this type of thinking that makes people facepalm when someone mentions the Bandai forums. =/

It's all irrelevant because the fact of the matter is, Puppet variants were winning more events than Fire was. Puppets were better than Fire. If you don't believe me, just ask around.

Truth is independent of what the consensus believes. That's not to say they won't usually be right, but history has shown us cases where the majority have been wrong.

[StormVyper]

Truth is independent of what the consensus believes. That's not to say they won't usually be right, but history has shown us cases where the majority have been wrong.

I would've directed him to where the format's tournament standings and decklists were posted, but I don't know think Bandai keeps up with that sort of thing anymore. I figured if he asked around, somebody would eventually direct him to where that sort of information is.

[gaara4ever]

WTF! Bandai

Kankuro needed something done about him so this one was fine,(how it pains me to say that as I run puppets)

SOTRS should not have been put down to 1, if this had to be on the list it should have only been at 2

Shino should not have been on this list at all because it is a he is an all around good card and wind needed an offensive 0-drop to push itself over the bump to help against fire but if anything he should either be at 3 or 2 but definitely not 1

LAR and Clouds should be at 2 each becuase LAR at one just knocks earth out of the question entirely and fire was extremely hindered by this now their 2 good draw cards are at 1 per deck, whats next, surprise?

[Itz Hitman]

This makes me mad because i just made an earth deck and LAR worked great in it, but because it is a duel element card and fire is too good earth gets hurt in the procees.

[Hiei_Zero]

Truth is independent of what the consensus believes. That's not to say they won't usually be right, but history has shown us cases where the majority have been wrong.

Fire was winning but puppets was topping consistantly and won MI. I personally feel that erratas on shino and Kankuro would have been better especially Shino. And Lar should have had fire removed to be honest or restricted to 2 it hurts earth to heavily.

[SharinganHeir]

Not Ghost Panic, Furrious Current instead.
Hey, why not both? If Water becomes the new #1, they'll probably take those and more.

Wow I coudn't agree with your more. Everything you said is very true.

As much as I hate to say it they may hit water soon since everything else got hit pretty hard

sauke has been proven to not be that big of a problem

you guys are not making any since, its only lar and shino iw, they are not what people build decks around

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[drocanon]

The fact of the matter is that when Bandai first released the "Rogue List" the opened a door that cannot be closed.

In my opinion Kankuro [T] much like Sasuke [CH] was good and incredibly powerful, but not busted. Even to those you think he is busted he deserved an errata more than to be restricted. Seriously it is a simple change like removing Valid from his second ability or making him a Turn 4 instead of a Turn 3.

In all honesty LAR and SotRS were only restricted in effort to further restrict puppets.

Shino did not deserve his fate. There is nothing powerful or busted about a 0/0 Insect Warrior Token, that most people use as nothing more than a chump blocker any ways.

Finally Jiraiya, should have stayed at a Max of 1. Sorry to all of you Chain Lightning Players, but Jiraiya [IotHT] is way to powerful and abused way to much to be run as a 2 of.

**The best thing Bandai could do is realize the error of their ways and eliminate the Rogue List altogether.**

[garrangel]

I would've directed him to where the format's tournament standings and decklists were posted, but I don't know think Bandai keeps up with that sort of thing anymore. I figured if he asked around, somebody would eventually direct him to where that sort of information is.

They posted the Fanime jonin results and 6 out of the 8 decks in top 8 had puppets in their deck one way or another.

Not including the usual splash of Kankuro which everyone had.

[Heldigunner1]

The fact of the matter is that when Bandai first released the "Rogue List" the opened a door that cannot be closed.

In my opinion Kankuro [T] much like Sasuke [CH] was good and incredibly powerful, but not busted. Even to those you think he is busted he deserved an errata more than to be restricted. Seriously it is a simple change like removing Valid from his second ability or making him a Turn 4 instead of a Turn 3.

In all honesty LAR and SotRS were only restricted in effort to further restrict puppets.

Shino did not deserve his fate. There is nothing powerful or busted about a 0/0 Insect Warrior Token, that most people use as nothing more than a chump blocker any ways.

Finally Jiraiya, should have stayed at a Max of 1. Sorry to all of you Chain Lightning Players, but Jiraiya [IotHT] is way to powerful and abused way to much to be run as a 2 of.

**The best thing Bandai could do is realize the error of their ways and eliminate the Rogue List altogether.**

I kinda agree and kinda don't.

Kankuro, yea all it really needed was an errata(but I'm fine with it being a 1 of)

SOTRS, definitly there to slow down puppet.

LAR that didn't help puppet it helped get kankuro out.( I said it once before and I'll say it again. As a proud Earth user alot of times i didn't even need to use LAR and 9 times out of 10 I wouldn't use it to search out kankuro)

Shino, I agree shouldn't have been on there. But what made that little bug good is what you could do with it.(Garra TN, Subsitute,etc.)

Jiraiya, almost all cards that require a second ninja to activate there effect are usally bad. With Jirayia the only reason why it was so good was just because of what lightning does mill itself.

[drocanon]

I kinda agree and kinda don't.

Kankuro, yea all it really needed was an errata(but I'm fine with it being a 1 of)

SOTRS, definitly there to slow down puppet.

LAR that didn't help puppet it helped get kankuro out.( I said it once before and I'll say it again. As a proud Earth user alot of times i didn't even need to use LAR and 9 times out of 10 I wouldn't use it to search out kankuro)

Shino, I agree shouldn't have been on there. But what made that little bug good is what you could do with it.(Garra TN, Subsitute,etc.)

Jiraiya, almost all cards that require a second ninja to activate there effect are usally bad. With Jirayia the only reason why it was so good was just because of what lightning does mill itself.

I guess LAR being on there doesn't hit other puppet users as hard as it hits me, cause my puppet deck is Fire/Wind.

But come on most these cards that are considered by many to be busted only need the smallest of adjustments to make them balanced.

[Heldigunner1]

I guess LAR being on there doesn't hit other puppet users as hard as it hits me, cause my puppet deck is Fire/Wind.

But come on most these cards that are considered by many to be busted only need the smallest of adjustments to make them balanced.

As much as I would have liked them to keep up with errata's believe it or not. Store owners and mejins have a hard time keeping up with all these changes.

[drocanon]

As much as I would have liked them to keep up with errata's believe it or not. Store owners and mejins have a hard time keeping up with all these changes.

I can see that. My Mejin pretty much left it up to the players to be responsible for knowing the correct card effects, and he would step in, in the event of a dispute.

I am just opposed to Rogue Lists in general as previously said, once they are started they can't be stopped very easily. Plus they tend to take the fun and enjoyment out of the game.

[kira31]

i still dont see the point of sasori of the red sand

[drocanon]

i still dont see the point of sasori of the red sand

Sasori of the Red Sand was Rogue Listed only to further restrict Kankuro [Tactitian].

[kira31]

but why i thought the only problem with kank was ppl splashing him ppl are not going to splash him and eough wind to play sasori of the red sand

[shenanigans]

there was no reason to put a stop to tutoring.... to have any deck with a 1 ninja theme (exp diedara, gara, or the possibly upcoming yamato) has 0 consistancy now... the only reason they have tutoring on the rogue list is because kankuro would still come out with the tutors... if they just errated kank this wouldnt be a problem

[drocanon]

but why i thought the only problem with kank was ppl splashing him ppl are not going to splash him and eough wind to play sasori of the red sand

SotRS allows you to search out Kankuro, as does LAR and in order to further limit the abuse Kankuro was seeing these were restricted as well.

[Heldigunner1]

there was no reason to put a stop to tutoring.... to have any deck with a 1 ninja theme (exp diedara, gara, or the possibly upcoming yamato) has 0 consistancy now... the only reason they have tutoring on the rogue list is because kankuro would still come out with the tutors... if they just errated kank this wouldnt be a problem

Creating an eratta is harder than you think.

[drocanon]

Creating an eratta is harder than you think.

Agreed, but there was still no reason to hit Tutoring. It is way to important to focused decks like: Deidara and Gaara.

[Heldigunner1]

Agreed, but there was still no reason to hit Tutoring. It is way to important to focused decks like: Deidara and Gaara.

I never said anything about tutors. I don't think it's right there going after them. I was just talking about the errata.

[Sharingan_Warrior5693]

This is exactly what Bandai did last time. Tried to target OC, killed a bunch of good cards. Tried to target Kankuro, Puppets, killed a bunch of good cards. Bandai do us a favour and only restrict the cards that need restricting.

[Heldigunner1]

This is exactly what Bandai did last time. Tried to target OC, killed a bunch of good cards. Tried to target Kankuro, Puppets, killed a bunch of good cards. Bandai do us a favour and only restrict the cards that need restricting.

there also looking towards the future.

[whitefang of konoha]

Terrible list is terrible.

I agree for the most part. kank needed a restriction. I thought it was incredibly stupid to put LAR at one. That is a huge kick to the loins for fire, especially with clouds already restricted. Whats next Surprise? why not just say people cant play fire.
Hopefully things will get better when the next rogue list comes out.

[drocanon]

This is exactly what Bandai did last time. Tried to target OC, killed a bunch of good cards. Tried to target Kankuro, Puppets, killed a bunch of good cards. Bandai do us a favour and only restrict the cards that need restricting.

Or they could just nix the Rogue List altogether. Rogue Lists and Banned Lists just ruin the game.

[Szayel Aporro]

Ok, fire got screwed over. It is losing its "fire" so to speak. I see fire being a dual element deck now. Like fire/x because of the lack of draw fire has. Yes it has suprise and secret activities and teyaki, but still. Kankuro was a good choice, shino I would've put to 2. SOTRS was a good choice cuase tutoring is a really broken aspect in anygame. Jiraiya is now 2, so lightning got a boost, but it is still not as borken as it was b4.

[Bozu4u]

Puppets need Tactician and Sasori of the Red Sand to stay alive. I think putting Kank as a 2-of with a hand cost would make it more fair instead of what's been done.

Another thing why put 2 Shino and 2 LAR in the starters and then put them on the list as 1-ofs? GFG Bandai =/

The main thing upsetting me is that I put over $100 worth of money/cards/etc. into getting some cards that just got put onto the list because there was an unwritten rule that said if you didn't run 3 Shino and 2 Kank you lose. Just to have Bandai tell me I can only use 1 of them now and because of the list and reprints I can barely get back half of what I put in to get the dang cards.

Things like this ----^ are why I never bought booster boxes in Yugioh and probably never will for Naruto either.

[drocanon]

Kankuro [Tactitian] really isn't busted. He is powerful and a pain in the butt to deal with but he is what makes Puppets playable. The update to the Rogue List really made Puppets boarderline weak again. Also Wind's weakness at the 3 Drop position really balance Kankuro out that a lot of people realize.

Just my opinion.

[zer0again]

man why are they making cards if they are just restricting them i am seriously thinking about quitting now

[The Akatsuki]

This is the reason I dont like the rouge list. It is used to keep one deck type from becoming to good. It just Begins to snowball out of control untill we have a rouge list with a rediclus amount of cards on it. I think that there should only be a maximum limit, like 20 cards at most, that way the list does not become out of control.

[Heldigunner1]

man why are they making cards if they are just restricting them i am seriously thinking about quitting now

there alway battle spirits(its fun) and dragonball

[drocanon]

man why are they making cards if they are just restricting them i am seriously thinking about quitting now

In all honesty, giving a card an errata is kind of hard and time consuming. So by restricting powerful cards to 1 per deck is an attempt to bring balance back.

It seldomly works that way though.

[StormVyper]

Or they could just nix the Rogue List altogether. Rogue Lists and Banned Lists just ruin the game.

Ban/Restricted Lists only ruin the games if they're used incorrectly (like they're doing now). Banning a card should always, ALWAYS be an absolute last resort for when there's no way to curb it's power, but it would seem that Bandai is using the list now as their go-to move. Kankuro needed an errata to have his first effect removed. That way Puppets could continue to use him to speed Puppets onto the field from the hand, but it'd force other decks to actually do some work to get Salamander into play. I know some of the higher ups are probably thinking "removing an effect completely would make some people angry", but I personally find it's more frustrating that now I have 1 Kankuro that's absolutely useless and will probably drop in value because it's restricted to 1 and people are trying to get rid of their extra copies.

Restricting tutors just to make sure people don't hit Kankuro is, as it's been stated, a pretty bad idea and misuse of the Rogue List. With 50 cards, good drawpower and tutors are far too important and something we need MORE of, and shouldn't be taken away to curb one card. Not only is it unfair for the players, it takes a little more weight off of the Player Skill side and adds it to Luck's side, and nobody wants to play in a sacky metagame.

[drocanon]

Ban/Restricted Lists only ruin the games if they're used incorrectly (like they're doing now). Banning a card should always, ALWAYS be an absolute last resort for when there's no way to curb it's power, but it would seem that Bandai is using the list now as their go-to move. Kankuro needed an errata to have his first effect removed. That way Puppets could continue to use him to speed Puppets onto the field from the hand, but it'd force other decks to actually do some work to get Salamander into play. I know some of the higher ups are probably thinking "that would make some people angry", but I personally find it's more frustrating that now I have 1 Kankuro that's absolutely useless and will probably drop in value because it's restricted to 1 and people are trying to get rid of their extra copies.

Restricting tutors just to make sure people don't hit Kankuro is, as it's been stated, a pretty bad idea and misuse of the Rogue List. With 50 cards, good drawpower and tutors are far too important to take away just because of 1 card. Not only is it unfair for the players, it takes a little more weight off of the Player Skill side and adds it to Luck's side, and nobody wants to play in a sacky metagame.

Just in case I was a little unclear. I have been opposed to the Rogue List from day 1. An errata on Kankuro is at all unnecessary, I just feel that he isn't broken. The change he needs is more along the lines of small, adding a hand cost or making him a Turn 4.

[StormVyper]

Just in case I was a little unclear. I have been opposed to the Rogue List from day 1. An errata on Kankuro is at all unnecessary, I just feel that he isn't broken. The change he needs is more along the lines of small, adding a hand cost or making him a Turn 4.

Those suggestions have been brought up numerous times by numerous people and simply will not fix the problem of "Kankuro is horrendously powerful and he's everywhere".

Adding a Hand Cost means only Wind decks can use him, for the most part. Kankuro is too powerful of a card to have an elemental restriction on him. Not only does he comes dangerously close to matching the sheer power of a Turn 3 Gamabunta/Shukaku, he has access to some pretty powerful jutsu as well due to his rank. To put it simply, Kankuro is quintessentially a Gamabunta/Shukaku with an Entrance Cost of 3. If you're opponent hits him, and you don't, there's a pretty decent chance that you're going to lose, and giving him a HC basically says "Play Wind, Play more Wind, or lose".

As for making him a Turn 4, he'll still be ridiculous, just a turn later. Can't really say that'd effect him in the slightest.

[drocanon]

Those suggestions have been brought up numerous times by numerous people and simply will not fix the problem of "Kankuro is horrendously powerful and he's everywhere".

Adding a Hand Cost means only Wind decks can use him, for the most part. Kankuro is too powerful of a card to have an elemental restriction on him. Not only does he comes dangerously close to matching the sheer power of a Turn 3 Gamabunta/Shukaku, he has access to some pretty powerful jutsu as well due to his rank. To put it simply, Kankuro is quintessentially a Gamabunta/Shukaku with an Entrance Cost of 3. If you're opponent hits him, and you don't, there's a pretty decent chance that you're going to lose, and giving him a HC basically says "Play Wind, Play more Wind, or lose".

As for making him a Turn 4, he'll still be ridiculous, just a turn later. Can't really say that'd effect him in the slightest.

I guess I can see your points. In any case however small it may be it is a step in the right direction, and it is for sure better than a Rogue List.

[Sharingan_Warrior5693]

All you have to do to make Kankuro btter is to remove one of his abilities.

[ShinoRox]

Ok so i guess bandai is stupid...

I hope they realize that they pretty much just turned earth into crap by limiting LAR....the only real thing going for earth right now is that u can search out ur ninjas with important effects to help u win the game...without this what is earth gonna run to be consistent...this basically leaves earth with its only missions that help consistency have downsides...unlike any other element.

Oh, and one other thing...water just got BROKE!

[Megamarik]

there alway battle spirits(its fun) and dragonball

The way they're ****ing up Naruto won't help me move to another one of their games.

[Master Wang]

I swear, you guys are WAY too critical of this list.

You guys wanted something to be done, this is what you got. Take it and like it.

[drocanon]

I swear, you guys are WAY too critical of this list.

You guys wanted something to be done, this is what you got. Take it and like it.

Not everybody wanted something done. I was fine just the way things were before the Rogue List. Alls I am saying is that an errata is better than jumping to a Restricted/Banned list, as Restricted/Banned Lists tend to kill games.

[Master Wang]

I had no problem with the game it was either. However, I have no problem with adjusting it either. Last I checked, MTG and YGO are still going strong.

Most reasons involving hate is because decks got nerfed, which isn't enough to make me sympathize with their disagreement. It's not like they can't make another deck or have substitutes for these cards, of course not. They gotta have the best cards in their deck and they won't have it any other way. This is a grave that everyone dug for themselves.

The Rogue List was made to rid of "abused" and "cards with an overbearing presence in the game" The cards on the list are ridiculous and arguably deserve to be on the list. I just played my fire-splash of earth deck with the updated rulings and I have no problem with it. Sure I miss my 2 extra LAR's and IW Shino's, but I did good and still had no trouble with tempo or getting Shino/Kiba out, or using LAR, Tactician is overrated *you still got Trick*, SotRS was ridiculous from the get go and as soon as I saw it, I KNEW it would be on this list. Be happy they're not banned.

And don't give me that BS that Naruto will die because of this list. That has no grounds and is flawed.

[kira31]

ya well it may be harder but it is a much better way to aproach things rather than turn our game into yugioh and make limit and band lists

[_Canti]

Terrible list is terrible.

Well put.

My main deck is Earth, so weak as it was then LAR and Shino drop to one and that just made me feel punched in the gut.

In my opinion, it just makes the game that much harder to play, and to me, the Rogue List really lessons the fun for me.

I don't want to play a bunch of one-of's in a deck, and i dont want to be forced into playing Water, which still hasnt been hit and idk if it will be hit >.>

So overall, Bandai really screwed any competitive player over on this one from my point of view.

Oh and I just want to bring up the tidbit that the starter decks are illegal now, if someone already hasnt brought this too light.

"Hey new player! We encourage you to buy a starter deck so you can get a good hold on the game. But it's illegal!"

[_Canti]

I swear, you guys are WAY too critical of this list.

You guys wanted something to be done, this is what you got. Take it and like it.

Who the **** are you to tell us that you high-and-mighty jerk?

I'm pretty sure I, along with the rest of the Naruto players, can have our own opinion if we want.

[ShinoRox]

I had no problem with the game it was either. However, I have no problem with adjusting it either. Last I checked, MTG and YGO are still going strong.

Most reasons involving hate is because decks got nerfed, which isn't enough to make me sympathize with their disagreement. It's not like they can't make another deck or have substitutes for these cards, of course not. They gotta have the best cards in their deck and they won't have it any other way. This is a grave that everyone dug for themselves.

The Rogue List was made to rid of "abused" and "cards with an overbearing presence in the game" The cards on the list are ridiculous and arguably deserve to be on the list. I just played my fire-splash of earth deck with the updated rulings and I have no problem with it. Sure I miss my 2 extra LAR's and IW Shino's, but I did good and still had no trouble with tempo or getting Shino/Kiba out, or using LAR, Tactician is overrated *you still got Trick*, SotRS was ridiculous from the get go and as soon as I saw it, I KNEW it would be on this list. Be happy they're not banned.

And don't give me that BS that Naruto will die because of this list. That has no grounds and is flawed.

And how will earth run when most of its jutsus require specific ninjas and pretty much required LAR to hit curve?

[_Canti]

And how will earth run when most of its jutsus require specific ninjas and pretty much required LAR to hit curve?

I agree.

Earth's only other playable jutsu cards that don't have a very limited requirement are disguise and headhunter.

[ShinoRox]

I know it makes me soo ****ed......ive played earth as my main deck for like ever and it was finally getting up close to top tier...

Now with this stupid list im about to raid my cards and build water..

[cjm7324]

Kankuro [Tactician] makes sense to me, but Shino would seem better at 2 along with LAR and SotRS. 2 Jiraiyas was a good choice. Kankuro, good choice but the other 3.....

And by the way, good point:

"Hey new player! We encourage you to buy a starter deck so you can get a good hold on the game. But it's illegal!"

[Bozu4u]

I swear, you guys are WAY too critical of this list.

You guys wanted something to be done, this is what you got. Take it and like it.

We wanted something done about the OC ninjas and Gaara TN, nobody said anything about killing off entire decks. I don't see the point to having erratas if Bandai is just gonna hide behind its Rogue List every time they make an overpowered card.

They want a balanced game, stop making unbalanced cards, simple as that. Instead of going "oh no we made a card that you either gotta use or you lose", "no, its ok we can just throw it on the Rogue List"

[Master Wang]

Who the **** are you to tell us that you high-and-mighty jerk?

I'm pretty sure I, along with the rest of the Naruto players, can have our own opinion if we want.

I am an original player whose fun isn't ruined by a simple list. High-and-mighty? Thank you. ^_^ Jerk? Hardly ever.

You can have your opinions, but most will be flawed and can simply be answered with "There are replacements for every card in the Rogue List. Find them and have some creativity."

And how will earth run when most of its jutsus require specific ninjas and pretty much required LAR to hit curve?

Earth has enough draw power to get their drops. Water has worse mission draw power than Earth *without Haku/Futaba* Plus, Earth has the tutor effects in Hanabi, Hinata, and Haido. You want tempo? Run them. Plus, Earth wasn't known for its Justus in the first place. Earth is about control, not explosive jutsus. Also, Headhunter and Disguise aren't the only jutsu's one can play. Experiment with some and see what I mean.

[sharingan 23]

I had no problem with the game it was either. However, I have no problem with adjusting it either. Last I checked, MTG and YGO are still going strong.

Most reasons involving hate is because decks got nerfed, which isn't enough to make me sympathize with their disagreement. It's not like they can't make another deck or have substitutes for these cards, of course not. They gotta have the best cards in their deck and they won't have it any other way. This is a grave that everyone dug for themselves.

The Rogue List was made to rid of "abused" and "cards with an overbearing presence in the game" The cards on the list are ridiculous and arguably deserve to be on the list. I just played my fire-splash of earth deck with the updated rulings and I have no problem with it. Sure I miss my 2 extra LAR's and IW Shino's, but I did good and still had no trouble with tempo or getting Shino/Kiba out, or using LAR, Tactician is overrated *you still got Trick*, SotRS was ridiculous from the get go and as soon as I saw it, I KNEW it would be on this list. Be happy they're not banned.

And don't give me that BS that Naruto will die because of this list. That has no grounds and is flawed.

The problem is that some people cant make another deck cause don't have enough cards or cant get the substitutions for LAR and shino cause they don't have any, And you should be worried about the rouge list even if it didn't affected you (it clear didn't since you're so calmed) cause the next time they update it it can be worse than now. IMO the game was more fun with out the rouge list cause everyone could run what they wanted and it wasn't a problem now with the rouge list and the releases of a lot of broken cards in every set this game is going down, and if somethings not done about this a lot of people are gonna quit. This is my opinion so I don't care about any crap that I get for this.

[drocanon]

I had no problem with the game it was either. However, I have no problem with adjusting it either. Last I checked, MTG and YGO are still going strong.

Most reasons involving hate is because decks got nerfed, which isn't enough to make me sympathize with their disagreement. It's not like they can't make another deck or have substitutes for these cards, of course not. They gotta have the best cards in their deck and they won't have it any other way. This is a grave that everyone dug for themselves.

The Rogue List was made to rid of "abused" and "cards with an overbearing presence in the game" The cards on the list are ridiculous and arguably deserve to be on the list. I just played my fire-splash of earth deck with the updated rulings and I have no problem with it. Sure I miss my 2 extra LAR's and IW Shino's, but I did good and still had no trouble with tempo or getting Shino/Kiba out, or using LAR, Tactician is overrated *you still got Trick*, SotRS was ridiculous from the get go and as soon as I saw it, I KNEW it would be on this list. Be happy they're not banned.

And don't give me that BS that Naruto will die because of this list. That has no grounds and is flawed.

I agree with you all the way. The only problem that I have with Rogue Lists is that the eventually lead to Banned Lists. But you are right players can adapt. I sure have. I spent a good 2 hours reworking my Fire/Wind/Puppets Deck. At the same time thought I do understand the other side of the Arguement, as well as why some believe a lot of cards currently on the list did not deserve to be restricted.

[rasengan405]

YES KANKURO IS ROUGE LISTED! And i got my jiraiya back for my lightning deck:D

[Master Wang]

We wanted something done about the OC ninjas and Gaara TN, nobody said anything about killing off entire decks. I don't see the point to having erratas if Bandai is just gonna hide behind its Rogue List every time they make an overpowered card.

They want a balanced game, stop making unbalanced cards, simple as that. Instead of going "oh no we made a card that you either gotta use or you lose", "no, its ok we can just throw it on the Rogue List"

Due to the growing number of Players in Naruto, errataing cards is the worst thing to do. It will only confuse the newer players, plus you guys would whine about their errata's as well. Yes you would. There's a counter to every good card in this game. I could've lived without a Rogue List, because I knew how to handle OC, Puppets, and IP.

They never said the cards are unbalanced, just used too much, even though they have weaknesses that barely anyone wants to exploit. In consequence, people complained about the cards. TBM got a lot of people worked up, but it turned out to be mediocre. F&L was thought to be mediocre, but now people love it. Most people's credibility in this site is very, very low in their choice of opinion(s). OC doesn't need to be errata'd, nor would it be easy to errata anyway. Why not? Because OC was only good with the cards that made it good. OC by himself is no threat.

[cjm7324]

WTF! Bandai

Kankuro needed something done about him so this one was fine,(how it pains me to say that as I run puppets)

SOTRS should not have been put down to 1, if this had to be on the list it should have only been at 2

Shino should not have been on this list at all because it is a he is an all around good card and wind needed an offensive 0-drop to push itself over the bump to help against fire but if anything he should either be at 3 or 2 but definitely not 1

LAR and Clouds should be at 2 each becuase LAR at one just knocks earth out of the question entirely and fire was extremely hindered by this now their 2 good draw cards are at 1 per deck, whats next, surprise?

This person said everything that I mean perfectly, and I agree that Kankuro TAC should be 1 even though I am building a Puppet deck, too.

[Master Wang]

The problem is that some people cant make another deck cause don't have enough cards or cant get the substitutions for LAR and shino cause they don't have any, And you should be worried about the rouge list even if it didn't affected you (it clear didn't since you're so calmed) cause the next time they update it it can be worse than now. IMO the game was more fun with out the rouge list cause everyone could run what they wanted and it wasn't a problem now with the rouge list and the releases of a lot of broken cards in every set this game is going down, and if somethings not done about this a lot of people are gonna quit. This is my opinion so I don't care about any crap that I get for this.

Oh it affected me. I had Shino's, LARs, SotRS, Tactician whenever I could. I just know my substitutes. So, in consequence, I'm at a minimal loss. The next time it's updated, I won't care either. CH is a great card, but I don't see him getting Rogue'd. I played against him today and had still won, but I digress.

How many times do I have to say it? BANDAI HAS SAID IT WON'T DO A BAN LIST!!

[Bozu4u]

Due to the growing number of Players in Naruto, errataing cards is the worst thing to do. It will only confuse the newer players, plus you guys would whine about their errata's as well. Yes you would. There's a counter to every good card in this game. I could've lived without a Rogue List, because I knew how to handle OC, Puppets, and IP.

They never said the cards are unbalanced, just used too much, even though they have weaknesses that barely anyone wants to exploit. In consequence, people complained about the cards. TBM got a lot of people worked up, but it turned out to be mediocre. F&L was thought to be mediocre, but now people love it. Most people's credibility in this site is very, very low in their choice of opinion(s). OC doesn't need to be errata'd, nor would it be easy to errata anyway. Why not? Because OC was only good with the cards that made it good. OC by himself is no threat.

We had to adapt to erratas, I don't see why they can't and they're gonna have to anyway with all of the old erratas. If Bandai is gonna keep the list, why not toss out the old erratas and put those cards on the list? I never whined, nor will I ever whine over an errata. I know how to handle OC, Puppets and IP too, that's why I disliked this list from the get go. If they don't want something to be run in every deck, don't make it splashable.

You're probably gonna think I'm lying here, but I knew from the beginning that TBM was a mediocre card and I saw the hidden power that F&L held, not its full power, but I knew it was being overlooked. I never said giving OC an errata was the way to go, personally I wanted it to get banned completely.

[Master Wang]

We had to adapt to erratas, I don't see why they can't and they're gonna have to anyway with all of the old erratas. If Bandai is gonna keep the list, why not toss out the old erratas and put those cards on the list? I never whined, nor will I ever whine over an errata. I know how to handle OC, Puppets and IP too, that's why I disliked this list from the get go. If they don't want something to be run in every deck, don't make it splashable.

You're probably gonna think I'm lying here, but I knew from the beginning that TBM was a mediocre card and I saw the hidden power that F&L held, not its full power, but I knew it was being overlooked. I never said giving OC an errata was the way to go, personally I wanted it to get banned completely.

And this is where the crossroads meet. People want Naruto OC to be banned/errata'd, but people complain about Ban Lists. This is why I like how Bandai doesn't always go with its player's demands 100%. The Rogue List is Bandai's demand to the people's shouts and cries for something to be done, because not every card can be errata'd that simply. Errata's can't add effects or take away effects. They simply adjust them. OC is one of the most difficult cards to do that with. I don't think you're lying either, because I had the same thoughts with F&L.

The reason they don't undo errata's is because they already reprinted them. Plus, errata's cost money. They have to reprint the effects, or else risk more confusion among players. I still meet people who use Ino without her errata, because they don't check the site, which forces Bandai to reprint her *why they didn't put her in Chosen is beyond me*

[Owwruiphantom]

Most reasons involving hate is because decks got nerfed, which isn't enough to make me sympathize with their disagreement. It's not like they can't make another deck or have substitutes for these cards, of course not. They gotta have the best cards in their deck and they won't have it any other way. This is a grave that everyone dug for themselves.



This is the only part i disagree with. Some people have invested heavily into one deck (not me per say) and really cannot do anything about it because a majority of thier cards were put on the list and now have little to no trade value what so ever. But like you said there are substitutes for cards ... till just be a pain getting them when you have little to trade with.

[Bozu4u]

And this is where the crossroads meet. People want Naruto OC to be banned/errata'd, but people complain about Ban Lists. This is why I like how Bandai doesn't always go with its player's demands 100%. The Rogue List is Bandai's demand to the people's shouts and cries for something to be done, because not every card can be errata'd that simply. Errata's can't add effects or take away effects. They simply adjust them. OC is one of the most difficult cards to do that with. I don't think you're lying either, because I had the same thoughts with F&L.

The reason they don't undo errata's is because they already reprinted them. Plus, errata's cost money. They have to reprint the effects, or else risk more confusion among players. I still meet people who use Ino without her errata, because they don't check the site, which forces Bandai to reprint her *why they didn't put her in Chosen is beyond me*

True, to be honest I really don't care about the Rogue List. I'll have to sift through my spares for a bit, but I'll find cards to replace whatever got nerfed because I can adapt. There's one thing I don't like about it, actually five. The 2 LARs, 2 Shinos and Tactician that are sitting in my binder now because the Rogue List says I can't use them. That stuff was worth around $70 a month ago, now I'd be lucky to get $35 for it.

[Master Wang]

This is the only part i disagree with. Some people have invested heavily into one deck (not me per say) and really cannot do anything about it because a majority of thier cards were put on the list and now have little to no trade value what so ever. But like you said there are substitutes for cards ... till just be a pain getting them when you have little to trade with.

See, I somewhat don't buy that from the words of what people say. If it's truly because they invested in one deck, why not just say so? Plus, if you really wanna see a card go away, be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it. Plus, if they wanna learn a good substitute, they can ask fellow players here and at their store, but I've only seen one thread made for that specific purpose. The substitutes aren't hard to find and if they invested into only ONE deck, then they're not that dedicated to the game in the first place if they will only build ONE deck. If the deck was really good however, I'm sure they will indeed have substitutes with the packs/structures they have. New players don't care about the Rogue List either way.

[Master Wang]

True, to be honest I really don't care about the Rogue List. I'll have to sift through my spares for a bit, but I'll find cards to replace whatever got nerfed because I can adapt. There's one thing I don't like about it, actually five. The 2 LARs, 2 Shinos and Tactician that are sitting in my binder now because the Rogue List says I can't use them. That stuff was worth around $70 a month ago, now I'd be lucky to get $35 for it.

*sold my two Kankuros weeks ago* xD

[Bozu4u]

*sold my two Kankuros weeks ago* xD

Lucky........

I do wonder why I keep hearing complaints about Fire taking a loss. It was good way before JLDC and LAR were even thought of.

[Master Wang]

Lucky........

I do wonder why I keep hearing complaints about Fire taking a loss. It was good way before JLDC and LAR were even thought of.

EXACTLY! There was still Secret Activities and Surprise. Every element *minus water* Has at least two good draw missions they can use in each of their decks. I, a Byakugan user, am not worried that LAR is now a one-of, because you know what 2 LAR's become? 1 BBQ and 1 Debt. Simple.

[Bozu4u]

EXACTLY! There was still Secret Activities and Surprise. Every element *minus water* Has at least two good draw missions they can use in each of their decks. I, a Byakugan user, am not worried that LAR is now a one-of, because you know what 2 LAR's become? 1 BBQ and 1 Debt. Simple.

Surprise is still good and I don't mind LAR being a 1-of because I personally like draw over tutor since drawing isn't limited to a certain card type.

[Evil Shikamaru]

EXACTLY! There was still Secret Activities and Surprise. Every element *minus water* Has at least two good draw missions they can use in each of their decks. I, a Byakugan user, am not worried that LAR is now a one-of, because you know what 2 LAR's become? 1 BBQ and 1 Debt. Simple.

Just 1 Debt? Seems random.

But I say Tsunade's Guess is still a solid choice in fire.

[Master Wang]

Just 1 Debt? Seems random.

But I say Tsunade's Guess is still a solid choice in fire.

I would already have 2 BBQ and 1 Debt in it already, because that's all I have. xD

[Darth_Sideous]

List is terrible. I can only see Kankuro getting hit to 1 as it was needed, but killing tutors in a 50 card deck is ridiculous, makes Kankuro so hard to hit on curve. The others that got hit were just "wow" retarded. Glad I quit when I did.

[hokage333]

List is terrible. I can only see Kankuro getting hit to 1 as it was needed, but killing tutors in a 50 card deck is ridiculous, makes Kankuro so hard to hit on curve. The others that got hit were just "wow" retarded. Glad I quit when I did.

YOU QUIT?!!?!? when?!?!?!?!?! can i have your stuff?!?!?!? lolz. JK. unless ur giving it away.

[killerkimimaro]

Hey, why not both? If Water becomes the new #1, they'll probably take those and more.









If you press the little button with a picture of a piece of paper and " and + in the corner of any post, it will automatically add that quote to your reply when you press either the quote button or the post reply button. That way you can put 4 quotes into 1 post instead of posting 4 times.

yeah..honestly I'm to lazy to do that. But I will do it if I have to.

[Bozu4u]

Funny.........Kankuro was added to the list to take away part of his overbearing presence and all I hear are complaints about how people are gonna be able to play him on Turn 3 now with limited tutors. The only ones with any room to say anything are the ones that actually ran Puppet decks. Now I can clearly see why cards like LAR, JLDC and SotRS got hit by the list.

[mastercj16]

Notice how when the Rouge List was first introduced everyone was crying for almost 20 pages but then it just stopped. Because people realized that it was better for the game and that they were wrong and embarassed. If they didn't do that, Naruto OC would still be the meta and be too hard to beat.

Now they make 3 changes to it and everyone flips out about LAR. Correct it shouldn't be a 1-of but texans said that next set's updates will either make everythig that is a 1-of into a 2-of or remove it completely. Now stop your whining since it won't help anything.

[ItachiAnbu]

Notice how when the Rouge List was first introduced everyone was crying for almost 20 pages but then it just stopped. Because people realized that it was better for the game and that they were wrong and embarassed. I'm sorry, but that's just not true. I've never liked the idea of the rogue list, but I was never one of the people who was fussin' either. I'm kinda sad that LAR and Shino got limited to one, and I was quite mad at first. But, after Texans said what he said, I decided I could deal with it until they were bumped back up to two.If they didn't do that, Naruto OC would still be the meta and be too hard to beat.

Now they make 3 changes to it and everyone flips out about LAR. Correct it shouldn't be a 1-of but texans said that next set's updates will either make everythig that is a 1-of into a 2-of or remove it completely. Now stop your whining since it won't help anything. Agreed.

Responses in bold.

[mastercj16]

I agree with you on the LAR and Shino part. And I'm kinda scared of the power of Set 14 now.

[uchiha freak]

i competely 100 percent agree with you masterc16.this happened last time and evrything came out alright. and i believe 100 percent what texans said. afterall lying about it would make evryone even more mad. set 14 will fix everything just be patient. and then they will remove or go back to two copies of those cards.

[Genre]

I am surprised we didn't see these cards on the list, though I assume they'll be added in the future:

Temari [Wind Scythe]
Kiba [Man Beast Clone] (possibly)
Ghost Panic
Water Style: Furious Current

[mastercj16]

i competely 100 percent agree with you masterc16.this happened last time and evrything came out alright. and i believe 100 percent what texans said. afterall lying about it would make evryone even more mad. set 14 will fix everything just be patient. and then they will remove or go back to two copies of those cards.
Thanks :)

I am surprised we didn't see these cards on the list, though I assume they'll be added in the future:

Temari [Wind Scythe]
Kiba [Man Beast Clone] (possibly)
Ghost Panic

Temari- not that bad and isn't too big of a threat....for now
kiba- then bandai printed Shino Kiba for no reason
Ghosty- wter needs some good stuff. Now if water dominates then yes this neds rouged but if not, then no.

[ItachiAnbu]

I am surprised we didn't see these cards on the list, though I assume they'll be added in the future:

Temari [Wind Scythe]
Kiba [Man Beast Clone] (possibly)
Ghost Panic
Water Style: Furious Current

Those would be fine if they were limited to 2. Except for kiba. They'd better not sink so low as the limit Kiba. I love my kibas.

I agree with you on the LAR and Shino part. And I'm kinda scared of the power of Set 14 now.

Yeah, me too.

[uchiha freak]

no problem masterc16. you are welcome cant wait set 14 hi tobi! will go great in my aggressive uchiha/dogs deck.

[drocanon]

Oh it affected me. I had Shino's, LARs, SotRS, Tactician whenever I could. I just know my substitutes. So, in consequence, I'm at a minimal loss. The next time it's updated, I won't care either. CH is a great card, but I don't see him getting Rogue'd. I played against him today and had still won, but I digress.

How many times do I have to say it? BANDAI HAS SAID IT WON'T DO A BAN LIST!!

True Bandai said it would never do a Ban List, but I seem to remember them saying they wouldn't do a Restricted List either. Definently correct me if I am wrong.

But in any case, the Rogue List can be worked around. Like I said after the update came out I spent a good 2 hours reworking my puppet deck to be legal with the Rogue List, and like you said it still works great. I had to focus more on draw power instead of tutoring, and all in all one works as well as the other.

[Master Wang]

True Bandai said it would never do a Ban List, but I seem to remember them saying they wouldn't do a Restricted List either. Definently correct me if I am wrong.

But in any case, the Rogue List can be worked around. Like I said after the update came out I spent a good 2 hours reworking my puppet deck to be legal with the Rogue List, and like you said it still works great. I had to focus more on draw power instead of tutoring, and all in all one works as well as the other.

Well, I'd like to say that you're wrong due to my not knowing for sure, but common logic suggests they haven't, or else Hungry and the others would have mentioned it in the podcast.

[drocanon]

Well, I'd like to say that you're wrong due to my not knowing for sure, but common logic suggests they haven't, or else Hungry and the others would have mentioned it in the podcast.

Fair enough.

[StormVyper]

Funny.........Kankuro was added to the list to take away part of his overbearing presence and all I hear are complaints about how people are gonna be able to play him on Turn 3 now with limited tutors. The only ones with any room to say anything are the ones that actually ran Puppet decks. Now I can clearly see why cards like LAR, JLDC and SotRS got hit by the list.

People are complaining because if we're going to be forced (yes, forced) to play in a 50 card format, we need ways to efficiently sift through those 50 card piles we're being forced to play with. It's hard enough making your deck consistent with the limited drawpower that each element has and now they're taking away tutors as well, cards that the people of the Naruto community have been asking for, all to curb the power of one card because they're too lazy to think outside the box and actually fix him. It's ridiculous and people have a right to be upset, because the captain of the ship is asleep at the wheel.

Notice how when the Rouge List was first introduced everyone was crying for almost 20 pages but then it just stopped. Because people realized that it was better for the game and that they were wrong and embarassed. If they didn't do that, Naruto OC would still be the meta and be too hard to beat.

Now they make 3 changes to it and everyone flips out about LAR. Correct it shouldn't be a 1-of but texans said that next set's updates will either make everythig that is a 1-of into a 2-of or remove it completely. Now stop your whining since it won't help anything.

I guess it's easy to tell people "stop whining" when you don't fully understand the issues. =/

I personally disagree with everything they put on this last in the last update, Kankuro included. The only card that actually posed a problem in the game was Kankuro, the others were simply hit to keep people from being able to get to Kankuro and that is an example of misusing the Rogue List and the reason people complained it'd ruin the game when it was first introduced. Kankuro is still a powerful card, but the only difference is people can now sack into him and win with less chance of your opponent doing the same.

As for texan's comment, the point still stands that they botched this update big time and they need to know why. Shino was a positive card that helped elements like Water that had to slowroll to mid-late game to get their stuff going, but he got knocked down to curb Shino/Kiba, locking the elements out of a splashable draw engine, something the game needed. With 50 cards, LAR and SOTRS were positive for the game and something the players have been asking for. They got knocked down because they did their job; search for Ninjas so decks were a little more consistent.

[Master Wang]

As for texan's comment, the point still stands that they botched this update big time and they need to know why. Shino was a positive card that helped elements like Water that had to slowroll to mid-late game to get their stuff going, but he got knocked down to curb Shino/Kiba, locking the elements out of a splashable draw engine, something the game needed. WHAT?! With 50 cards, LAR and SOTRS were positive for the game and something the players have been asking for. They got knocked down because they did their job; search for Ninjas so decks were a little more consistent.

You're saying that the draw missions in every element *minus water* aren't good enough?! The game NEEDED Shino/Kiba's effect?! F*CK no, they didn't! The game was awesome enough without the Squads. The only reason we're dealing with them now is because of Dragonball's Fusion decks. In fact, I would EAT my Shino/Kiba, Deidara/Sasori, Kakashi/Might Guy, Kakashi/Pakkun, AND Sasuke/Orochimaru squads to make my point that the game doesn't NEED these squads, but I still accept their existence as fun additions with kick *ss effects....and food.

Lemme clarify, I absolutely cannot stand a meta where everyone runs the same early, mid, and/or late game, jutsu's, and/or missions. LAR and SotRS made Fire and Wind too one sided on the scale. IW was an overbearing presence.

Aaaaand how could they have botched it BEFORE a single tournament has been played under it, except by me? :/

[zbkillaz]

Seriously Bandai? who play tests for you guys? cuz you definately need to update ur playtest base. Those people seem to be highly imcompetent, as Zero said Terrible list is Terrible.

[Bozu4u]

I am surprised we didn't see these cards on the list, though I assume they'll be added in the future:

Temari [Wind Scythe]
Kiba [Man Beast Clone] (possibly)
Ghost Panic
Water Style: Furious Current

GP and Furious Current are game changing cards, but they've only topped a few times from what I've seen, so they aren't really needed on the list.

Kiba and Temari show up almost everywhere now, but they aren't really game finishing cards.

[Heldigunner1]

GP and Furious Current are game changing cards, but they've only topped a few times from what I've seen, so they aren't really needed on the list.

Kiba and Temari show up almost everywhere now, but they aren't really game finishing cards.

Well kiba to me is the most important card for squads (reason why I think shino was put on). And temari, true not game changing but since she was been out she's been a staple on pretty much all builds.

[Bozu4u]

People are complaining because if we're going to be forced (yes, forced) to play in a 50 card format, we need ways to efficiently sift through those 50 card piles we're being forced to play with. It's hard enough making your deck consistent with the limited drawpower that each element has and now they're taking away tutors as well, cards that the people of the Naruto community have been asking for, all to curb the power of one card because they're too lazy to think outside the box and actually fix him. It's ridiculous and people have a right to be upset, because the captain of the ship is asleep at the wheel.

First off, nobody is forcing you to play in tournaments(I'm assuming you go), you can choose to stay home and play 40-card format with your friends.

I run a Wind deck and its very consistent without any tutors. Fire has great drawpower too, its not hard to find. Earth did take a loss with LAR I'll give them that, but like somebody said before just use Debt and BBQ.

You're right, people do have a right to be upset. I'm upset that my cards just lost half of their trade value. Some people need to take a second to really think about what they're getting upset over though.

[Kisame8988]

Just deal with it. You all will get over it soon enough.

[StormVyper]

You're saying that the draw missions in every element *minus water* aren't good enough?! The game NEEDED Shino/Kiba's effect?! F*CK no, they didn't! The game was awesome enough without the Squads. The only reason we're dealing with them now is because of Dragonball's Fusion decks. In fact, I would EAT my Shino/Kiba, Deidara/Sasori, Kakashi/Might Guy, Kakashi/Pakkun, AND Sasuke/Orochimaru squads to make my point that the game doesn't NEED these squads, but I still accept their existence as fun additions with kick *ss effects....and food.

Lemme clarify, I absolutely cannot stand a meta where everyone runs the same early, mid, and/or late game, jutsu's, and/or missions. LAR and SotRS made Fire and Wind too one sided on the scale. IW was an overbearing presence.

Aaaaand how could they have botched it BEFORE a single tournament has been played under it, except by me? :/

I said exactly what I said. In terms of sheer drawpower, the elements are not on equal ground and taking away Shino/Kiba only makes the elements that are grasping for more drawpower less efficient. How they get that drawpower is irrelevant as long as they have it, and as of right now, they don't. The simple fact is, they had a decent draw engine in Shino/Kiba that didn't require any significant effort, and it's weakened now because you're forced to use 2 understated 0 Drops with mediocre effects to get it. Shino was overbearing because he was a positive card for the game. He is now easily accessible, he takes the sting out of going second, and he was by no means an abused card.

As far as originality goes, you can take that up with whoever designs the cards for not providing each element with enough playable cards to where players are able to spread their wings and be creative. And even if they did, I can just about guarantee you that people would continue to flock to the same handful of cards; some cards are simply more efficient than others, and those cards will be used by the majority. If you're mad about playing against the same thing, then you shouldn't be playing or following the metagame. Creativity gets trounced in most cases by what's efficient and wins consistently.

[Master Wang]

I said exactly what I said. In terms of sheer drawpower, the elements are not on equal ground and taking away Shino/Kiba only makes the elements that are grasping for more drawpower less efficient. How they get that drawpower is irrelevant as long as they have it, and as of right now, they don't. The simple fact is, they had a decent draw engine in Shino/Kiba that didn't require any significant effort, and it's weakened now because you're forced to use 2 understated 0 Drops with mediocre effects to get it. Shino was overbearing because he was a positive card for the game. He is now easily accessible, he takes the sting out of going second, and he was by no means an abused card.

As far as originality goes, you can take that up with whoever designs the cards for not providing each element with enough playable cards to where players are able to spread their wings and be creative. And even if they did, I can just about guarantee you that people would continue to flock to the same handful of cards; some cards are simply more efficient than others, and those cards will be used by the majority. If you're mad about playing against the same thing, then you shouldn't be playing or following the metagame. Creativity gets trounced in most cases by what's efficient and wins consistently.

I don't ask for creativity in competition; only in finding substitutes. I wouldn't say Shino was abused either, just in every single deck that tops a tourney.

I think of it like this, Shino and Kiba are arguably among the top 3 T0's in the game. Since there was a GREAT squad with both of these easy-to-get ninjas, Bandai felt compelled to slightly nerf the accessibility of the squad, because you really wouldn't lose much with Kiba/Shino. So...who would they restrict? Man Beast Clone or Insect Warriors?

Answer: Bandai wanted to keep MBC knowing that it was the best and borderline ONLY significantly good T0 Kiba. So, they decide IW. I can also add that Shino has the better substitute(s) compared to Kiba.

I mean seriously, you can't tell me if MBC was restricted to one, EVERYBODY, including me would simply lose their minds.

[Sharingan_Warrior5693]

I mean seriously, you can't tell me if MBC was restricted to one, EVERYBODY, including me would simply lose their minds.I would be so mad if Bandai restricted him. I just tradeed a bunch of card so I could get 3 of him in alt art. If he does get restricted then there is always my second favorite, LDEA. As for what Texan said about the list...what exactly did he say I never ead anything he said about the list.

[OneWingedAngel]

I am surprised we didn't see these cards on the list, though I assume they'll be added in the future:

Temari [Wind Scythe]
Kiba [Man Beast Clone] (possibly)
Ghost Panic
Water Style: Furious Current

I've wanted Temari WS gone since she came out. I never thought a hand control card like that was good for this game, espesially when you have to pay hand cost for cards, they changed the first turn draw, rule and how the mulligan rule in this game is.

However, with SCJ and Furrious Current and other early game jutsus, Temari WS was a necessary evil. If Currents get limited, and it should, then I think they should take WS with it. If anything to free up the early game a little more. She's been a staple since she's come out.

[StormVyper]

I don't ask for creativity in competition; only in finding substitutes. I wouldn't say Shino was abused either, just in every single deck that tops a tourney.

I think of it like this, Shino and Kiba are arguably among the top 3 T0's in the game. Since there was a GREAT squad with both of these easy-to-get ninjas, Bandai felt compelled to slightly nerf the accessibility of the squad, because you really wouldn't lose much with Kiba/Shino. So...who would they restrict? Man Beast Clone or Insect Warriors?

Answer: Bandai wanted to keep MBC knowing that it was the best and borderline ONLY significantly good T0 Kiba. So, they decide IW. I can also add that Shino has the better substitute(s) compared to Kiba.

I mean seriously, you can't tell me if MBC was restricted to one, EVERYBODY, including me would simply lose their minds.

To be completely honest, Kiba is far from being what's considered a top card. He's only run at all because he can grab Akamaru and now is part of 2 powerful squads. Other than that, he loses out to EVERYTHING. Either way, that's all completely irrelevant.

The point is there's no reason to nerf the squad in the first place because there was nothing wrong with it or Shino. They were simply good cards, that people could be used in any deck. Shino helped balance out I don't the dice roll, which can cost players games and Shino/Kiba gave an easily accessible drawpower to decks that didn't have enough of it. I don't understand why they feel that needs some sort of inhibitors placed on it.

[animefanatic]

I said exactly what I said. In terms of sheer drawpower, the elements are not on equal ground and taking away Shino/Kiba only makes the elements that are grasping for more drawpower less efficient. How they get that drawpower is irrelevant as long as they have it, and as of right now, they don't. The simple fact is, they had a decent draw engine in Shino/Kiba that didn't require any significant effort, and it's weakened now because you're forced to use 2 understated 0 Drops with mediocre effects to get it. Shino was overbearing because he was a positive card for the game. He is now easily accessible, he takes the sting out of going second, and he was by no means an abused card.


So the fact that some elements have bad draw means it's fair for ALL elements to have redonkulous cycle power? Seems like it will raise all decks equally in power (more or less).

And like you said, it was redonkulously easy to get them out. Every deck having to play a redonkulous game altering sounds like a little other card I know. His name is kankuro. Though the effects are very different, the power these cards have in altering the game is comparable.

Now people will have to work for that squad by playing lesser versions of Shino, and they'll be rewarded whenever it goes off but they're taking the risk in the process, which is what early game squads should of been about.

[kisamealex3]

Wang ftw. He said it all.

And, it seems to me that everybody is complaining about this not knowing what exactly is coming out in this set.

[OneWingedAngel]

Now people will have to work for that squad by playing lesser versions of Shino, and they'll be rewarded whenever it goes off but they're taking the risk in the process, which is what early game squads should of been about.

Exactly correct. The reason why this game was getting into trouble was because we were getting too many insane effects that didn't require any form of work to play. The first mess was the OCs, invincible without any real requirments. Kankuro was the next big issue. Then the Shino/Kiba squad makes Shino and Kiba must runs. I don't care what anyone says, Shino IW is busted. 2 ninjas on turn 0 is broken. And if your opponent has to mull or misses a drop, he can be an auto win.

[animefanatic]

Wang ftw. He said it all.

And, it seems to me that everybody is complaining about this not knowing what exactly is coming out in this set.

That's not really the issue here. The issue is this list in relation to the Sannin tournament.

[StormVyper]

So the fact that some elements have bad draw means it's fair for ALL elements to have redonkulous cycle power? Seems like it will raise all decks equally in power (more or less).

And like you said, it was redonkulously easy to get them out. Every deck having to play a redonkulous game altering sounds like a little other card I know. His name is kankuro. Though the effects are very different, the power these cards have in altering the game is comparable.

Now people will have to work for that squad by playing lesser versions of Shino, and they'll be rewarded whenever it goes off but they're taking the risk in the process, which is what early game squads should of been about.

Yes because that drawpower is far more important and valued by the elements that have none. Element A, which is lacking in drawpower, has nothing again while Element B simply goes back to normal because it had efficient drawpower before. They shouldn't take needed things away from the lesser elements/decks/etc. unless they get something to replace it. An example is LAR. Fire has other (albeit, less effective) cards that it can play in place of LAR, whereas Earth players are just **** out of luck. That doesn't raise the elements' power, it set them all back that step does not result in equality. Earth just got a new beastly Squad to use in the next set, but it's already less consistency because Earth can no longer use LAR and search for the appropriate ninja.

I don't see how you can even compare Shino/Kiba to Kankuro. If you went to an event without Kankuro, you got rolled by people who did. Shino/Kiba doesn't create situations even remotely close to that.

Again, this ties into Element A and B. Element A has insufficient drawpower, and is now reduced to playing subpar cards in order to get that draw. Whereas Element B can simply continue to play better cards and ignore the squad altogether because it had enough drawpower already.

Whether or not the next set will correct this is left to be seen, but as of right now, Bandai made yet another poor choice and people are well within their rights to be upset about it.

[StormVyper]

I don't care what anyone says, Shino IW is busted. 2 ninjas on turn 0 is broken. And if your opponent has to mull or misses a drop, he can be an auto win.

Yo, I hear a 2/1 vanilla and a 0/0 vanilla in one turn makes for a total blowout. :rolleyes:

And if you have to mull to 4 or miss a drop, Shino can save your life. Moot point.

[Zero Master Of Percision]

Yo, I hear a 2/1 vanilla and a 0/0 vanilla in one turn makes for a total blowout. :rolleyes:

And if you have to mull to 4 or miss a drop, Shino can save your life. Moot point.

This ^

Also I just want to point out, anyone complaining about losing early after mulling to 4 and missing drops shouldn't be taken seriously.

[kisamealex3]

That's not really the issue here. The issue is this list in relation to the Sannin tournament.

Ahh, well, excuse me.

[scar]

i wanted to make a insect deck (might not be possible) but now with the best shino card in jail i can't anymore. and shippuden shino shoud be 4/2 0/2

[animefanatic]

Yes because that drawpower is far more important and valued by the elements that have none. Element A, which is lacking in drawpower, has nothing again while Element B simply goes back to normal because it had efficient drawpower before. They shouldn't take needed things away from the lesser elements/decks/etc. unless they get something to replace it. An example is LAR. Fire has other (albeit, less effective) cards that it can play in place of LAR, whereas Earth players are just **** out of luck. That doesn't raise the elements' power, it set them all back that step does not result in equality. Earth just got a new beastly Squad to use in the next set, but it's already less consistency because Earth can no longer use LAR and search for the appropriate ninja.

I don't see how you can even compare Shino/Kiba to Kankuro. If you went to an event without Kankuro, you got rolled by people who did. Shino/Kiba doesn't create situations even remotely close to that.

Again, this ties into Element A and B. Element A has insufficient drawpower, and is now reduced to playing subpar cards in order to get that draw. Whereas Element B can simply continue to play better cards and ignore the squad altogether because it had enough drawpower already.

Whether or not the next set will correct this is left to be seen, but as of right now, Bandai made yet another poor choice and people are well within their rights to be upset about it.

So what I gather from this is that you think Shino/Kiba is a good card but not so good where every deck needs to run it. That's kind of interesting because I hear many people saying that since Shino is rogued, the game becomes who draws into that squad first will gain a significant advantage (which is why I use my kankuro comparison).

But if they want to increase the power of the weaker elements, the best way to go about it is to release good cards specific to that element instead of creating a one-size-fits-all-elements type cards. I also wasn't a fan that they made a squad that was so easy to squad into it that it required no work (simply place in the squad and voila). Now if a deck truly needs the squad, they will go the extra mile to obtain him (though I do realize the deck will suffer by playing subpar Shinos).

[OneWingedAngel]

Yo, I hear a 2/1 vanilla and a 0/0 vanilla in one turn makes for a total blowout. :rolleyes:

And if you have to mull to 4 or miss a drop, Shino can save your life. Moot point.

Yes it is a blow out when you get an extra ninja on turn 0 for free. That's an extra ninja that is getting you extra BRs early.

Yes, Shino can save you at times, but if one player hits him and the other doesn't, that is a huge advantage to have on turn 0.

[OneWingedAngel]

This ^

Also I just want to point out, anyone complaining about losing early after mulling to 4 and missing drops shouldn't be taken seriously.

What the hell is that suppose to mean?

[Zero Master Of Percision]

What the hell is that suppose to mean?

It means exactly what it says. You said If your opponent mulls and misses drops shino might cause you to win. In a curve based game, you cant really complain about losing if you missed drops and had to mull down to 4. That argument just cant be taken seriously as a reason shino is bad for the game.

[OneWingedAngel]

It means exactly what it says. You said If your opponent mulls and misses drops shino might cause you to win. In a curve based game, you cant really complain about losing if you missed drops and had to mull down to 4. That argument just cant be taken seriously as a reason shino is bad for the game.

Oh, I thought that was some sort of cheap shot from our game at the Kage.

What I'm saying is in this game there is a fundamental flaw where if you miss a drop early you are most likely going to lose. I don't think we need a card like Shino that can exaserbate the problem further. Granted he can save you, but whoever doesn't play is at too great a disadvantage early in the game. Like Joe said earlier, if the bug coin could not win BRs I would have no problem with it at all.

[Zero Master Of Percision]

Oh, I thought that was some sort of cheap shot from our game at the Kage.
naw naw, that would just be low.

What I'm saying is in this game there is a fundamental flaw where if you miss a drop early you are most likely going to lose. I don't think we need a card like Shino that can exaserbate the problem further. Granted he can save you, but whoever doesn't play is at too great a disadvantage early in the game. Like Joe said earlier, if the bug coin could not win BRs I would have no problem with it at all.

I don't feel shino is an issue at all. I will agree that if the coins could only be sent out to block, the card would be both flavor appropriate and 0 power openings would be much more acceptable. If Bandai would errata him to that, but give us back 3, I wouldn't even complain.

[pyrot53]

naw naw, that would just be low.


LOLOL too low for Andrew Kardis? doubtful...

[OneWingedAngel]

naw naw, that would just be low.



I don't feel shino is an issue at all. I will agree that if the coins could only be sent out to block, the card would be both flavor appropriate and 0 power openings would be much more acceptable. If Bandai would errata him to that, but give us back 3, I wouldn't even complain.

Then we agree a little bit here.

My beef with what should be restricted/banned or whatever usually has to do with early game going wild, specifically with offense. It's the same reason why Ino usf was broken, being able to use her on your turn gave you the bigger team every time and allowed you to win more BRs faster than you should. Shino isn't as crazy as she was, but he still let you get BRs faster than you should be able to.

[Sasori-san]

It makes sence to put Kankuro on the list but shino, Sasori of the red sand should not be on it and if LAR has to be on the list it should be restricted to 2copys. The rouge list should have a maximume of 20 cards so that it does not get to out of hand in restricting cards.

[Kakashi_Hatake777]

I just hope Earth gets something too.... LAR was Earth's card as well......

[Shino_Nara]

Terrible list is terrible.

well shino wasnt a problem, just a staple. so restricting him was like a slap in the face but it wont ruin anything or "fix" anything, just stupid.

as for kankuro, def needed some form of fixing. since bandai already had the rogue list they decided it was the best way to fix an obviously out of control card. the fact that sasori of the red sandgot hit was so that wind couldnt abuse him so much, though i think wind should have been allowed to keep him if anyone. at least they should have put sasori at 2.

lar: good job keeping fire out of the pedestal, though you kinda just smacked earth while you were at it.

[akabane]

i would have to agree with most people on here. the only card that needed this was kank. its mabey time someone else take sovre this list

[spiral8]

Well, this has got to be the first time ever that I've been burned by an errata or restricted list in a card game in my 15+ years of gaming...
In mid May I purchased a bunch of SR and important puppet staple cards for a puppet deck I was making (including 2 Kanks and 3 SOTRS). I then leave for Europe for a month, and come home to see this updated list...great :mad:

I'm pleased to see Jiraiya is up to two copies (which is all I really like to run when using a 6 drop or higher), but other than Kankuro I really don't see that much of a problem with the other cards that got hit.

Shino was annoying, and someone else mentioned it before, but perhaps the way to go would've been to errata the bug token to only be able to block, not attack. Problem solved.

SOTRS being restricted is flat out stupid. It's a clasification specific search to a deck that was just put in its place by the restriction of Kankuro. Plus it's wind's only multi-character search (other than The 9th Match). Boooooo :mad:

LAR is the one that I may be cheesed off the most at. This has effectively killed my earth deck. Like a bullet to the back of the head, my earth deck is dead. I can see the restriction being in place to curtail fire decks for being as powerful as they are, but this was earth's ONLY decent search card, and earth decks struggle big time as it is... :(

Now after all this it's still not like I'm going to quit. That would be a knee jerk reaction on my part. But, conversley, I think Bandai needs to stop making knee jerk reactions themselves and start playtesting better so that cards they deem to be "abusive" aren't made in the first place...

[Kakashi_Hatake777]

Emerging Alliance better be centered on Earth..... I want lots and lots of Earth awsome cards.......

[SharinganHeir]

Emerging Alliance better be centered on Earth..... I want lots and lots of Earth awsome cards.......

You shouldn't be too disapointed. The podcast previewed 1 really good earth card already, and we know Yamato is in this set. I can't wait for him.

[Kakashi_Hatake777]

I'll be happy with a

Earth's Happy Hour///// Earth t4 HC2

Effect: Draw cards until you have 6 cards in hand.

[Master Wang]

You shouldn't be too disapointed. The podcast previewed 1 really good earth card already, and we know Yamato is in this set. I can't wait for him.

Ahh! Now the funny thing would be if they pulled off the same thing that they did with Naruto.

http://www.bandaicg.com/naruto/cardlists_detail.php?s=5&c=n205

Problem with that when it came out, there was no Rasengan! xD Sooo...Yamato/Naruto, but no Yamato? LMAO! <---unlikely, I know. xD

[OneWingedAngel]

Ahh! Now the funny thing would be if they pulled off the same thing that they did with Naruto.

http://www.bandaicg.com/naruto/cardlists_detail.php?s=5&c=n205

Problem with that when it came out, there was no Rasengan! xD Sooo...Yamato/Naruto, but no Yamato? LMAO! <---unlikely, I know. xD

There was a Rasengan in DL. The really bad promo one the injured your own guys.

[StormVyper]

So what I gather from this is that you think Shino/Kiba is a good card but not so good where every deck needs to run it. That's kind of interesting because I hear many people saying that since Shino is rogued, the game becomes who draws into that squad first will gain a significant advantage (which is why I use my kankuro comparison).

But if they want to increase the power of the weaker elements, the best way to go about it is to release good cards specific to that element instead of creating a one-size-fits-all-elements type cards. I also wasn't a fan that they made a squad that was so easy to squad into it that it required no work (simply place in the squad and voila). Now if a deck truly needs the squad, they will go the extra mile to obtain him (though I do realize the deck will suffer by playing subpar Shinos).

Yes, that is correct. I believe Shino/Kiba helps, but a player isn't going to outright lose the game because of him. On a bad day, Kankuro made for a massive swing in advantage and on a good day, it's a complete blowout as soon as he hits the field. Shino/Kiba had nowhere near that level of power IMO.

I feel that if they want to increase the power of weaker elements, they should stop giving them bad/subpar cards. We have sets of like 50+ cards in them, and yet only like 5-10 of them are actually playable. And a lot of cards would be playable, but they're given little drawbacks that make them subpar. For example, the tutor card Temptation of Power (http://www.bandaicg.com/naruto/cardlists_detail.php?s=3&c=m107), would be pretty playable tutor for Water. Only thing wrong with it is the fact that it's a -2 due to having both a Hand Cost and a discard cost. There are a number of cards like this throughout the sets where small design changes would make otherwise subpar cards playable.

[password]

Yes, that is correct. I believe Shino/Kiba helps, but a player isn't going to outright lose the game because of him. On a bad day, Kankuro made for a massive swing in advantage and on a good day, it's a complete blowout as soon as he hits the field. Shino/Kiba had nowhere near that level of power IMO.

I feel that if they want to increase the power of weaker elements, they should stop giving them bad/subpar cards. We have sets of like 50+ cards in them, and yet only like 5-10 of them are actually playable. And a lot of cards would be playable, but they're given little drawbacks that make them subpar. For example, the tutor card Temptation of Power (http://www.bandaicg.com/naruto/cardlists_detail.php?s=3&c=m107), would be pretty playable tutor for Water. Only thing wrong with it is the fact that it's a -2 due to having both a Hand Cost and a discard cost. There are a number of cards like this throughout the sets where small design changes would make otherwise subpar cards playable.

Didnt think anyone would catch that water card...

I thought it was gonna be all my teams for awhile but u guys are quick to notice good cards. Good job! ;)

[SoupAreMann]

How long before CH will be on here!?!?!?

:mad: :eek: :mad:

[StormVyper]

How long before CH will be on here!?!?!?

:mad: :eek: :mad:

Sasuke is not a problem card. True story.

[The Vermont Will of Fire]

i might quit playing because this game is turning out to be just like yu-gi-oh.

[Master Wang]

There was a Rasengan in DL. The really bad promo one the injured your own guys.

A couple weeks after the release, however. At least my store took a couple weeks before they handed it out.

[garrangel]

How long before CH will be on here!?!?!?

:mad: :eek: :mad:

Limiting CH to 1 does absolutely nothing.

As people usually only run 1 of him in a deck.

[Saitsuofleaves]

Limiting CH to 1 does absolutely nothing.

As people usually only run 1 of him in a deck.

Yeah, but he's not that bad. Since he's limited to one, one damage pretty much can end him. Sure, he could run healers, but that's a turn they have to spend on him rather than his fuel. Not to mention Unhealed Wound fun can happen.

[Master Wang]

Yeah, but he's not that bad. Since he's limited to one, one damage pretty much can end him. Sure, he could run healers, but that's a turn they have to spend on him rather than his fuel. Not to mention Unhealed Wound fun can happen.

Or maybe the latest Earth Unhealed wound even. xD

[Slifer135]

I will say this much. Bandai be careful how often you make a New Rogue List like this. I mean 2 month's and a new Rogue list already. At least use the 6 month rule for this list setup.

[Master Wang]

I will say this much. Bandai be careful how often you make a New Rogue List like this. I mean 2 month's and a new Rogue list already. At least use the 6 month rule for this list setup.

It's meant to be updated after every set. There may be one more soon, if not after Sannin for FR.

[Slifer135]

Would it be a month after the New Set or a few weeks after.

[ItachiAnbu]

It's meant to be updated after every set. There may be one more soon, if not after Sannin for FR.

Oh yeah, I can see the list being updated a couple of weeks after the sannin.

[Saitsuofleaves]

Or maybe the latest Earth Unhealed wound even. xD

One, you wouldn't get the Shuriken shenanigans (because nothing's funnier than anyone using two chakra to damage an entire team or one to permanently damage one) and two, Earth UH might help Sasuke more than the opponent.

[Pirat3Ninja7]

i dislike that they killed puppets so well land made lighting, something that can beat puppets, better... if they limited sasori or sasori of the red sand to 2 per deck i would be okay with it but now im just angry

[Nejifan]

Bandai made a poor choice with Kankuro, got lazy and put in on the **** list.

I may consider quitting if this continues, what a load of bull.

WHY would they get rid of Puppet's only tutor, and then just the other tutor in general? Tutoring is important in 50 card decks...

I'm still quite confused by SOTRS and SHINO??? Come out...Shino??

This is stupid and now Shino/Kiba may not see play anymore.

WRONG!!! Skill means winning without getting your key drops every single game. You shouldn't build a deck that can't win unless it gets certain ninjas. A deck does need to be consistant, but it needs versatility just as much.

[Paths_of_Pain]

Originally Posted by Evil Shikamaru View Post
Bandai made a poor choice with Kankuro, got lazy and put in on the **** list.

I may consider quitting if this continues, what a load of bull.

WHY would they get rid of Puppet's only tutor, and then just the other tutor in general? Tutoring is important in 50 card decks...

I'm still quite confused by SOTRS and SHINO??? Come out...Shino??

This is stupid and now Shino/Kiba may not see play anymore.

What I do not get is just because some cards get limited to one or two a deck people start saying things like, since shinoIW is limited to 1 now Shino/Kiba squad is unplayable thats pretty dumb considering there is more than 1 shino that has been printed. Also saying why do they have to limit Kankuro Tactician to 1 there are many ways around it. Well there are also many ways around OC and TBF so limiting TBF would have the same argument.

[BigBlackoftheBlueRoses]

Puppets has two choices now:
A. Only run 1 Kankuro
B. Run 1 Tactician and 1 Mimicry/Trick

Blek...both sound terrible. I guess Mimicry is my best friend.

mimicry really ewwwwwwwwzers so defencive, tricks are so much better

[toushin1101]

i know that shino being put to one was a shcker to alot of the player base out there but right now rush decks needed to get hit or its either u play 3 of shino or u lose the game by turn 3.


LAR was a huge surprise to me i had almost thought it was gonna be something more like cold headed(and no i dont think it needs to be on the list CH is easy to beat,lmao).

the reason why sasori of the red sand was put to one was because of the fact that even if kank was put to one and the red sand wasnt touched its still like having 4 kankuro tac. in ur deck anyways so they had to hit both of them(now those that play kank pretty much play him with a hand cost and there isnt too many pluses.


theres not much to say about kank other then it was the best thing that could have gone on the list at this point and time because of the last few high level tournies. i heard from a few friends that everyone in the top 8 of the last few big tournies had kank in thier decks and if u didnt have him and salamander in ur deck u have a difficult time topping.
its easy to say it was a bad idea but alot of players kinda missed the reasons why it was a good idea to hit mank at this point and time(and always remember theres a small chance that most of if not all these cards that i just talked about could be taken off the list and put ta 2 per deck)

[foggy]

i know that shino being put to one was a shcker to alot of the player base out there but right now rush decks needed to get hit or its either u play 3 of shino or u lose the game by turn 3.


LAR was a huge surprise to me i had almost thought it was gonna be something more like cold headed(and no i dont think it needs to be on the list CH is easy to beat,lmao).

the reason why sasori of the red sand was put to one was because of the fact that even if kank was put to one and the red sand wasnt touched its still like having 4 kankuro tac. in ur deck anyways so they had to hit both of them(now those that play kank pretty much play him with a hand cost and there isnt too many pluses.

yes so for people who abuse tactician....puppets take a hit as soon as they get good? LOLROFLMFAO great way to deal with the problem right? screw something else over instead of a simple issue of making one more errata

theres not much to say about kank other then it was the best thing that could have gone on the list at this point and time because of the last few high level tournies. i heard from a few friends that everyone in the top 8 of the last few big tournies had kank in thier decks and if u didnt have him and salamander in ur deck u have a difficult time topping.
its easy to say it was a bad idea but alot of players kinda missed the reasons why it was a good idea to hit mank at this point and time(and always remember theres a small chance that most of if not all these cards that i just talked about could be taken off the list and put ta 2 per deck)

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[Bloodysquirel]

I think it true everyone stapled kank into there decks. What the fun if everyone has several same cards. Kank was abused by everyone and wth you couldn't top without a kank dam see a reason. Glad it was moved to one also red sand.

[NarutoSasuke777]

QFF!

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yep.................

or i personally like using FTL

for the loss.......................

[Butterflyfox]

yay bandis awesome puppets r gone yayayayay im a nvs player

[HyugaNeji]

I hate the rogue list... Cards should be banned or errata'd.
I like Jiraiya on there...

[Master Wang]

I hate the rogue list... Cards should be banned or errata'd.
I like Jiraiya on there...

*sigh* a little drastic, no?

[OneWingedAngel]

I hate the rogue list... Cards should be banned or errata'd.
I like Jiraiya on there...

I don't mind the Rogue List too much, but I would prefer 1 card banned than several cards limited. SCJ, Emina, and Jiraiya were limited because OC Naruto is insane. Doesn't it make more sense to ban the problem than to limit the support. Same with Kankuro. They could have just banned him and then LAR and SotRS wouldn't have to be restricted.

[HyugaNeji]

I don't mind the Rogue List too much, but I would prefer 1 card banned than several cards limited. SCJ, Emina, and Jiraiya were limited because OC Naruto is insane. Doesn't it make more sense to ban the problem than to limit the support. Same with Kankuro. They could have just banned him and then LAR and SotRS wouldn't have to be restricted.

You've prove a great point. Bandai listen to this guy^.

[Naruto Namikaze]

You've prove a great point. Bandai listen to this guy^.

That's stupid. what would be the purpose of having test players? In fact why even make the cards if they are going to restrict or errata cards? its pointless. if you lose to the meta and your not playing it or you haven't incorporated your deck to deal with the meta you deserve to lose. everyone with all the crying and crap. thats what this site is for to tell you what your competition might be running. use it to your advantage and become better players. dont complain and gripe on the online site where nohing happens. do something about it its YOUR deck!!!!!!!!!

[sharingan 23]

That's stupid. what would be the purpose of having test players? In fact why even make the cards if they are going to restrict or errata cards? its pointless. if you lose to the meta and your not playing it or you haven't incorporated your deck to deal with the meta you deserve to lose. everyone with all the crying and crap. thats what this site is for to tell you what your competition might be running. use it to your advantage and become better players. dont complain and gripe on the online site where nohing happens. do something about it its YOUR deck!!!!!!!!!

They deserve to lose for not being with the meta???? Listen to yourself, if they didn't do what they did everyone will be abusing the same cards over and over and will just kill the game cause some players don't have enough money to get the cards.

[StormVyper]

They deserve to lose for not being with the meta???? Listen to yourself, if they didn't do what they did everyone will be abusing the same cards over and over and will just kill the game cause some players don't have enough money to get the cards.

When you get right down to it, the metagame is made up of the most consistent combos using the most efficient cards: the best the game has to offer. If you're not following it, you're at an immediate disadvantage, and in some cases will outright lose; that's just the way the world works. If you opt not to follow the meta, go ahead, more power to you. But you can't complaining about losing to it because it's your own fault for using inefficient cards.

[sharingan 23]

When you get right down to it, the metagame is made up of the most consistent combos using the most efficient cards: the best the game has to offer. If you're not following it, you're at an immediate disadvantage, and in some cases will outright lose; that's just the way the world works. If you opt not to follow the meta, go ahead, more power to you. But you can't complaining about losing to it because it's your own fault for using inefficient cards.

I don't follow the meta (I think) yet I most of the time win. What got me mad was the fact that he/she said they deserved to lose, I mean come on, If people want to run a deck of their favorite character and that deck is not with the meta they deserve to lose for it?

[ryoko7317]

just because you don't want to use the meta you don't get the right to complain about the meta either follow it, lose to it, or get better then it i choose to try a combination of the 1st and 3rd XD
btw i never won a big tourney so ya it dont work well but im not gonna quit i will beat the meta one day mark my words i will bust it wide open ...............eventually when... like.. no one plays..... but ill do it !!!
im a very blind optimist though i feel that's pretty obvious

btw dont drink 3 rockstars in a day or you end up ranting withotu noticing like i am right now........ ya

[ryoko7317]

That's stupid. what would be the purpose of having test players? In fact why even make the cards if they are going to restrict or errata cards? its pointless. if you lose to the meta and your not playing it or you haven't incorporated your deck to deal with the meta you deserve to lose. everyone with all the crying and crap. thats what this site is for to tell you what your competition might be running. use it to your advantage and become better players. dont complain and gripe on the online site where nohing happens. do something about it its YOUR deck!!!!!!!!!

no one deserves to lose though not everyone deserves to win that is why they invented the draw XD

[StormVyper]

I don't follow the meta (I think) yet I most of the time win. What got me mad was the fact that he/she said they deserved to lose, I mean come on, If people want to run a deck of their favorite character and that deck is not with the meta they deserve to lose for it?

To put it bluntly, yes, they do. Not because they're making a deck of their favorite ninja per se (because that's perfectly fine), but because they're likely sacrificing efficiency to do it.

If you don't follow the meta, you don't have the right to complain about it.

[sharingan 23]

To put it bluntly, yes, they do. Not because they're making a deck of their favorite ninja per se (because that's perfectly fine), but because they're likely sacrificing efficiency to do it.

If you don't follow the meta, you don't have the right to complain about it.

So they deserve to lose because they don't follow the meta... Do you remember the 2008 sannins? The winner wasn't running the meta yet he won the most important and big tournament of the year.

[StormVyper]

So they deserve to lose because they don't follow the meta... Do you remember the 2008 sannins? The winner wasn't running the meta yet he won the most important and big tournament of the year.

It's not about deserving anything, it's about what's most likely going to happen. Not following the meta to play what you like means you're probably playing less efficient cards/decks. And that means statistically, you're most probably going to lose to people who are doing the opposite. That's just the way competition works.

And I respect Joe as a player and his accomplishment, but that deck was a pile. The only reason it won anything in that meta is because he's a fantastic player and luck was on his side.

[sharingan 23]

It's not about deserving anything, it's about what's most likely going to happen. Not following the meta to play what you like means you're probably playing less efficient cards/decks. And that means statistically, you're most probably going to lose to people who are doing the opposite. That's just the way competition works.

And I respect Joe as a player and his accomplishment, but that deck was a pile. The only reason it won anything in that meta is because he's a fantastic player and luck was on his side.

Yes I understand that they have more chances of loosing that winning if they are playing someone who is following the meta, but what I'm is they DON'T deserve to lose, saying that just makes me sick.

Yes Joe Colon is a fantastic player but I don't think it was luck cause you can't win a tournament that big with luck.

[StormVyper]

Yes I understand that they have more chances of loosing that winning if they are playing someone who is following the meta, but what I'm is they DON'T deserve to lose, saying that just makes me sick.

Yes Joe Colon is a fantastic player but I don't think it was luck cause you can't win a tournament that big with luck.

I'm not gonna argue with you, because you've obviously got your mind made up. As a player, if you make a conscience decision to ignore what's has the best chance of winning in favor of what you like or dislike, you take full responsibility for your win ratio. If you want to win, play the best cards. If you choose not to do that for whatever reason, it's nobody's fault but your own.

There were a number of good players at that tournament who could've just as easily taken him down. Luck was on his side. How much is irrelevant; it was there.

[ryoko7317]

I'm not gonna argue with you, because you've obviously got your mind made up. As a player, if you make a conscience decision to ignore what's has the best chance of winning in favor of what you like or dislike, you take full responsibility for your win ratio. If you want to win, play the best cards. If you choose not to do that for whatever reason, it's nobody's fault but your own.

There were a number of good players at that tournament who could've just as easily taken him down. Luck was on his side. How much is irrelevant; it was there.

contribution to winnning
20% deck design
15% skill
65% luck
thats how i see it for everyone you can have the best deck and get all t5 plus ninjas and missions and you can have be the best player ever and same thing happens you cant do anything with a bad hand luck is how the hand is decided well either that or how good a stacker you are ( i do not condone stacking in any way shape or form i also look down on rule sharking they make a mistake and they catch it quickly and before you do anything that would cause them to change besides tell them something then don't be mean let them correct it if you mess up you would appreciate it if they let you go back a step or 2 am i right??? you gotta give a little to get a little

[Evil Shikamaru]

They should ban Heatran and Scizor, or at least Rogue List them.

[Lord Orochimaru rules all]

They should ban Heatran and Scizor, or at least Rogue List them.

Darkrai should def. be rouged.

[Vic]

Just wondering if it's been posted anywhere exactly when we will get the new roguelist?

[Evil Shikamaru]

Darkrai should def. be rouged.

Darkrai is banned...he's an UBER.

[Lord Orochimaru rules all]

Darkrai is banned...he's an UBER.

are we talking about the card game? cuz if so, I have no idea what you are talking about.

[puppetmaster24]

games needed 2 limited cards but it messed me up but i can work around it i have all thoughs cards :mad: