Meh Rant on Fateful Reunion

[CopyEyeKakashi]

Note:Before reading this is my opinion and i might be a little premature with this, but it is a topic i wanted to bring up.

Through recent pre-view(Sasuke, Naruto, etc) im am sad to say that i have lost near to all fate within the most of the CCG. I thought that the game was trying to get away from easy damage(sasuke) and untouch-ables(naruto), but now we just get cards that are getting upgraded and upgraded from previous versions. Its either the people at bandai are not understanding the problems with these cards or they are taking the chance to get more sales through broke crads that are needed to be competative with. There has not been erratas in over almost(maybe even over)a year, and during that time period people have been complaing about many of the same cards that are problems today(garra, scj, etc). Bandai take the cotton out of your ears and listen.


Feel free to comment and discuss.

[Gaara_]

Well, nearly every person on this forum agrees with you.

Believe in Gaara_, the power creep is going faster than Comcast Powerboost.
(oh yes I did)

[kirbyrocks101]

as always,and as said in the pod cast,eveyone will freak out "OMG OMGOMG OMG IT"S SO BROKEEENNNZZZZ"
and when the card comes out
and there is an obvs counter,im gonna lol ;D
and,again with the pod cast,can we skip the omg broken phase and just wait for it to come out and THEN complain???
PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[Saitsuofleaves]

Okay, so it's obvious you guys think the game is dead. Meh, so be it, not going to bother arguing any point...mostly because I have a research paper due and it's Monday.

[CopyEyeKakashi]

as always,and as said in the pod cast,eveyone will freak out "OMG OMGOMG OMG IT"S SO BROKEEENNNZZZZ"
and when the card comes out
and there is an obvs counter,im gonna lol ;D
and,again with the pod cast,can we skip the omg broken phase and just wait for it to come out and THEN complain???
PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
i know i usually agree with that, but these cards must be discussed as a problem and they should be dealt with before they are released.

Well, nearly every person on this forum agrees with you.

Believe in Gaara_, the power creep is going faster than Comcast Powerboost.
(oh yes I did)

everyone on the forum should agree because unless there is something better, these cards WILL BE PLAYED

[CopyEyeKakashi]

Okay, so it's obvious you guys think the game is dead. Meh, so be it, not going to bother arguing any point...mostly because I have a research paper due and it's Monday.

i never said the game was dead, im just saying bandai is makinbg some poor choises, that might lead to the end of the playerbase.

[kirbyrocks101]

i know i usually agree with that, but these cards must be discussed as a problem and they should be dealt with before they are released.



everyone on the forum should agree because unless there is something better, these cards WILL BE PLAYED

you can complain all you want,bandai is going to do noting
your all wasteing your time
drop it

[Saitsuofleaves]

i never said the game was dead, im just saying bandai is makinbg some poor choises, that might lead to the end of the playerbase.

Hence death, and since Bandai does nothing fast, your assumption only leads me to believe death on your part.

[ItachiAnbu]

Well, nearly every person on this forum agrees with you.

Believe in Gaara_, the power creep is going faster than Comcast Powerboost.
(oh yes I did)

You sound like the_M_man. -_-

Try not to.

[shika's shadow]

plz rant. for once i agree with the idea. rant. the creativity is gone. run to win (but sannin is usually original). i hat ban, but ban for a season some a the cards as a trial to shut up people and either put them in their place or prove em right. its all bout the $$$$. but dont get me wrong its still fun ( 4 nao)

[PrinceofLove]

First of all I would like to say that there is a way to make naruto OC and the future naruto tailed beast forms broken. First of all, from my understanding we are not allowed to post card effects so I will not talk about the effect of the tailed beast form. For those of you who don't know just check out the podcast. Naruto tailed beast cards are rediculously powerful. I believe that the following effect texts should be added to Naruto OC. Valid: this ninja cannot be the user of jutsu cards that don't require Naruto Uzumaki in it's requirements. For any other Naruto Tailed Beasts Forms, it should say Vaid: This ninja cannot be the user of jutsu cards that don't have the tailed beast form in it's requirements. Also, each tailed beast form naruto that is released should also have an effect to wear he can only be sent out to battle in a team by himself. I believe that this could balance out a card that needs to be dealt with. Because in the future if it doesn't Bandai is going to loose a lot of people to this game. If they keep it up, the Naruto card game will end up how Yu-Gi-Oh did for a while.

[kirbyrocks101]

First of all I would like to say that there is a way to make naruto OC and the future naruto tailed beast forms broken. First of all, from my understanding we are not allowed to post card effects so I will not talk about the effect of the tailed beast form. For those of you who don't know just check out the podcast. Naruto tailed beast cards are rediculously powerful. I believe that the following effect texts should be added to Naruto OC. Valid: this ninja cannot be the user of jutsu cards that don't require Naruto Uzumaki in it's requirements. For any other Naruto Tailed Beasts Forms, it should say Vaid: This ninja cannot be the user of jutsu cards that don't have the tailed beast form in it's requirements. Also, each tailed beast form naruto that is released should also have an effect to wear he can only be sent out to battle in a team by himself. I believe that this could balance out a card that needs to be dealt with. Because in the future if it doesn't Bandai is going to loose a lot of people to this game. If they keep it up, the Naruto card game will end up how Yu-Gi-Oh did for a while.


great idea
now we only need bandai to listen to us......
......
oh yea,they don't
]:

[OneWingedAngel]

Through recent pre-view(Sasuke, Naruto, etc) im am sad to say that i have lost near to all fate within the most of the CCG. I thought that the game was trying to get away from easy damage(sasuke) and untouch-ables(naruto), but now we just get cards that are getting upgraded and upgraded from previous versions. Its either the people at bandai are not understanding the problems with these cards or they are taking the chance to get more sales through broke crads that are needed to be competative with. There has not been erratas in over almost(maybe even over)a year, and during that time period people have been complaing about many of the same cards that are problems today(garra, scj, etc). Bandai take the cotton out of your ears and listen.


Feel free to comment and discuss.

Yeah, this is really disheartening. To power creep an OC is just stupid. I was already on pins and needles on whether to quit or not, this just gives me another reason. I probably would quit right away since I already have so much stuff, but I refuse to pay any more money for this crap.

Failure to errata Gaara TN
Failure to errata the OC ninjas
New broken Sasuke being released
New broken Tailed-Beast Form being released
Bad ruling with interupt effects
Altering game mechanics instead of fixing problem cards

It's one epic failure after another epic failure. It's like George W. Bush is running Bandai.

[Ninetailedfox100]

Can someone PM me the new Broken naruto beast form, please?

[codecatx5]

your right but unfortunately no matter how much you guys complain they don't listen so it really dosen't matter so i suggest you try to find a way around these broke cards instead of wasting brain power trying to get them erratad especially with the amount of cards that need to be erratad that already have been ignored

[DNaraku]

How about people stop thinking cards are broken just because others say they are and actually play with them. You people make me rage almost as much as overprotective moms do.

Oh right, Bandai. My mistake.

[missingo]

How about people stop thinking cards are broken just because others say they are and actually play with them. You people make me rage almost as much as overprotective moms do.

Oh right, Bandai. My mistake.
To be fair, it is ridiculous. Broken? I'm not going to prematurely spew that like everyone on the forum.

Mistakes are for failures.

[Sensei2312]

You people make me rage almost as much as overprotective moms do.

Quote For Truth.

[Heldigunner1]

The main hope I have is we all ready dealt with the overpowered cards. If thats the case then I am okay for the time being. The real problem I have with this Naruto Tailed Beast is the same thing that was wrong with Naruto OC. In order to make a card that would see play over the OC Naruto they had to make it better. When the original card has the most powerful effect in the game as is, how do you upgrade that. Bandai did the only thing possible, add another powerful effect to the card. Here's my issue. This starts a bad precedent. What will happen when Naruto cards with more tails than he has, or when Sasuke enters State 2 again. Will Bandai follow with what they did now? I don't know if there is another possibility and this has me worried.

As far as the interrupt rule go, I like it and I don't like it. I do think a card that can interrupt a chain is okay, as long as the effect is not overpowered. The problem with the Kakashi is he ends the jutsu chain, and makes sure the player with Kakashi wins the Jutsu Chain every time.

Hopefully we got the overpowered cards out of the way. Naruto and Sasuke being the main characters of the story line. As long as the rest of the supers are balanced like the Shikamaru, Amaretsu, Sasuke and Orochimaru Squad this set won't destroy the game.

[kirbyrocks101]

Can someone PM me the new Broken naruto beast form, please?

can you listen to the podcast plz?

[ShadelessNyght]

can you listen to the podcast plz?

Which Podcast?

[kirbyrocks101]

Which Podcast?

the naruto pod cast ._.
it has it's own fourm
it's ver 4.0....

[CopyEyeKakashi]

How about people stop thinking cards are broken just because others say they are and actually play with them. You people make me rage almost as much as overprotective moms do.

Oh right, Bandai. My mistake.

Calm down sir...

[OneWingedAngel]

your right but unfortunately no matter how much you guys complain they don't listen so it really dosen't matter so i suggest you try to find a way around these broke cards instead of wasting brain power trying to get them erratad especially with the amount of cards that need to be erratad that already have been ignored

I'm sick of people telling us not complain. If you don't want to complain then fine, then stay out of this thread and shut up. And don't tell me I can't make complaints.

The only players that aren't going to complain are the ones that can't win without broken cards. The ones that can't come up with strategies and need a cheap way out. This is beyond bad.

[codecatx5]

sir what you just said dosen't make sense besides that I'm not saying don't complain but if you really want to change go to somewhere that bandai actually sits and listens to because i'd rather the people who are going to complain be heard by bandai instead of getting nothing accomplished

but thats just me

[OneWingedAngel]

sir what you just said dosen't make sense besides that I'm not saying don't complain but if you really want to change go to somewhere that bandai actually sits and listens to because i'd rather the people who are going to complain be heard by bandai instead of getting nothing accomplished

but thats just me

What didn't make sense?

[Mera Mera Ace]

I'm sick of people telling us not complain. If you don't want to complain then fine, then stay out of this thread and shut up. And don't tell me I can't make complaints.

The only players that aren't going to complain are the ones that can't win without broken cards. The ones that can't come up with strategies and need a cheap way out. This is beyond bad.

Dnaraku isnt complaining and he wins ona regular basis without meta decks...... >.>. So your last statement is completely wrong.

Now is he broken? I dont know, thats what playtesting is for.

[kirbyrocks101]

I'm sick of people telling us not complain. If you don't want to complain then fine, then stay out of this thread and shut up. And don't tell me I can't make complaints.

The only players that aren't going to complain are the ones that can't win without broken cards. The ones that can't come up with strategies and need a cheap way out. This is beyond bad.


hey!
i ran OC once,for kicks
i've never played fire (maybe water/fire a long time ago)
and i've played puppets BEFORE i even saw it online
i built a deck,won with it around my local,and then saw it all over the internet
(im not saying i started puppets,i just didn't tink it was the new meta)

and after all of that,it's not that i think the new naruto isn't broken
but you should really wait and see,maybe his 3rd effect will make him suck
you never know
just wait

[codecatx5]

I'm sick of people telling us not complain. If you don't want to complain then fine, then stay out of this thread and shut up. And don't tell me I can't make complaints.

The only players that aren't going to complain are the ones that can't win without broken cards. The ones that can't come up with strategies and need a cheap way out. I mean we are clearly doing something to get around it and I just feel it's too easy to figure away around great cards like the naruto. This is beyond bad.

But as said just my oppinion I understand you guys need to vent before you organize and force bandai to change the bad yet extremely broken cards

so continue as if I said nothing his third effect is scaring me to almost not using him

[missingo]

I'm sick of people telling us not complain. If you don't want to complain then fine, then stay out of this thread and shut up. And don't tell me I can't make complaints.

The only players that aren't going to complain are the ones that can't win without broken cards. The ones that can't come up with strategies and need a cheap way out. This is beyond bad.
I know for a fact that DN is a good player, and does not play the meta.

Complaining prematurely pretty much accomplishes nothing, but sets you up to look like a fool if a card isn't what it reads. (Note: 1st/2nd Hokage's) I'm not saying this card isn't ridiculous, because it is, but to call it broken, and to complain about it before its release achieves nothing.

[CopyEyeKakashi]

I know for a fact that DN is a good player, and does not play the meta.

Complaining prematurely pretty much accomplishes nothing, but sets you up to look like a fool if a card isn't what it reads. (Note: 1st/2nd Hokage's) I'm not saying this card isn't ridiculous, because it is, but to call it broken, and to complain about it before its release achieves nothing.

im just saying that bandai is making cards that have effects that the game wants to avoid, all i did was use them as examples.

[OneWingedAngel]

Dnaraku isnt complaining and he wins ona regular basis without meta decks...... >.>. So your last statement is completely wrong.

Now is he broken? I dont know, thats what playtesting is for.

DNaraku may be an exception to what I said. But, I gaurantee that a lot of players that say OC isn't broken, can't win without it. I haven't used OC at all and I still win too. All of my friends, whethwr they use OC or not, all agree that it needs to go.

We already know OC is broken, why do we need to play test the TBF when it has the same stupid effect. Nothing should be uneffected by everthing.

[kirbyrocks101]

DNaraku may be an exception to what I said. But, I gaurantee that a lot of players that say OC isn't broken, can't win without it. I haven't used OC at all and I still win too. All of my friends, whethwr they use OC or not, all agree that it needs to go.

We already know OC is broken, why do we need to play test the TBF when it has the same stupid effect. Nothing should be uneffected by everthing.

it's 3rd effect COULD possible make the card worthless
you never know

[animefanatic]

Look guys, a card of the most Popular Ninja that says "is unaffected by EVERYTHING" is broken and clearly unhealthy for the game. Coupled with crazy stats and a good secondary effect, how can you not think it's busted.

And can you stop thinking in present tense and think of the future. I sure hope to god FR isn't the last set of the game. When designing cards, it's crucial to think of what may come to be. And clearly as the game progresses, the game will be sure to introduce more naruto jutsus and more lightning missions. Can you not see by having an overstated, invicible ninja, the future cards will be compromised for the sake of the invincible cards. Well at least, they should be compromised because if they aren't, then busted combos would ensue.

And why make such an effect? It's not even consistent with the show. Clearly Yamato can take card of Naruto in tailed form. Clearly the tailed forms aren't invincible since Yondaime is able to handle THE NINE TAILS!!! Bandai, you're effing dumb and I hope the incompetent members of the design team choke on an Tailed Beast or OC ninja.

[CopyEyeKakashi]

I hope the incompetent members of the design team choke on an Tailed Beast or OC ninja.

how lovely tom...

[TheInfamousCrow]

Meh, it could be worse; at least the broken cards it this game are affordable and I don't have to take out a loan to play the meta unlike another certain popular game I know about :D

The sad part of this situation is that I don't think Bandai can win no matter what they do. If Bandai continues to make ridiculous cards people will complain that their too broken and need an errata, but is Bandai doesn't make good cards then the meta won't change and the game will become stale (and people will still complain).

I think the best thing that Bandai can do for the game is errata the OC ninjas and try not to make cards that are obviously broken. If I've learned anything from playing these games its this; players are smart and will find a way to abuse any card if they have a 12 pack of red bull and nothing better to do on a Saturday night. All Bandai can really do is not make ninjas that are immune to everything.

[codecatx5]

Meh, it could be worse; at least the broken cards it this game are affordable and I don't have to take out a loan to play the meta unlike another certain popular game I know about :D

The sad part of this situation is that I don't think Bandai can win no matter what they do. If Bandai continues to make ridiculous cards people will complain that their too broken and need an errata, but is Bandai doesn't make good cards then the meta won't change and the game will become stale (and people will still complain).

I think the best thing that Bandai can do for the game is errata the OC ninjas and try not to make cards that are obviously broken. If I've learned anything from playing these games its this; players are smart and will find a way to abuse any card if they have a 12 pack of red bull and nothing better to do on a Saturday night. All Bandai can really do is not make ninjas that are immune to everything.


I oh so completely agree with you on this one

[Sensei2312]

Look guys, a card of the most Popular Ninja that says "is unaffected by EVERYTHING" is broken and clearly unhealthy for the game. Coupled with crazy stats and a good secondary effect, how can you not think it's busted.

And can you stop thinking in present tense and think of the future. I sure hope to god FR isn't the last set of the game. When designing cards, it's crucial to think of what may come to be. And clearly as the game progresses, the game will be sure to introduce more naruto jutsus and more lightning missions. Can you not see by having an overstated, invicible ninja, the future cards will be compromised for the sake of the invincible cards. Well at least, they should be compromised because if they aren't, then busted combos would ensue.

And why make such an effect? It's not even consistent with the show. Clearly Yamato can take card of Naruto in tailed form. Clearly the tailed forms aren't invincible since Yondaime is able to handle THE NINE TAILS!!! Bandai, you're effing dumb and I hope the incompetent members of the design team choke on an Tailed Beast or OC ninja.

Yeah...but isn't that just it?
We don't know what Yamato does...
Yes, this card is great.
But it does have the hand cost everyone wanted the OC ninja to have (And now it doesn't mill like OC) and it HASN'T come out yet...as well as the other 100 other cards we haven't seen yet either.
It just seems like a lot is said, but nothing is done.
We can sit around, belly ache about the card, and nothing is going to change.
Sasuke is GREAT, TB is GREAT. Let's see what else they do to match the power creep of these two first before we unload a clip into the CCG. >_>

[OneWingedAngel]

I know for a fact that DN is a good player, and does not play the meta.

Complaining prematurely pretty much accomplishes nothing, but sets you up to look like a fool if a card isn't what it reads. (Note: 1st/2nd Hokage's) I'm not saying this card isn't ridiculous, because it is, but to call it broken, and to complain about it before its release achieves nothing.

Let me defend myself here. I've never screamed bab/broken or whatever without just cause. I am basing my judgement on The water Sasuke and Naruto TBF based on what other cards with the same effects do. The reason why I know the water Sasuke is broken is because his effect activates qhen you can't chain against it, a lesson we should have learned from seeing Gaara TN be used. The Naruto is broken because, as we learned with OC, unaffected by everything is just plain stupid. My judgements are not premature, we've already seen what these types of cards can do.

[Zero Master Of Percision]

DNaraku may be an exception to what I said.

Not really, I mean his only jonin top was with 9K in 9K meta, so it's not like he naturally opposes the meta at major events to prove he's a better player or anything. =P

But seriously, I've been on both sides of this argument before. I've been the guy creating the fuss, and I've been the guy trying to keep everyone else calm. To be honest, both tactics suck. Flipping out wont change much, as Bandai wont errata cards unless they think its a problem, and despite having in house playtesters that think its a problem, and continually try to show them this, they stand firm on there being no problem. Keeping calm also doesnt help in anyway, because it shows that the cards aren't as damagining as they might be and on the off chance that James decides to actually come on here for once and communicate with us and the meijin (Like he used to) he wont see the problems we have with the direction bandai is going in.

Basically I think it should be handled like this:
-No "OMG I'm quitting" threads or posts as these make people not want to take you seriously. At the same time I generally just skip these posts and deam them as BS, because most of you will just come back in 2 months anyway and make an annoying thread like "I quit 2 months ago and I want to know what the meta is, and instead of looking at the cards and figuring it out, I need to make this annoying thread"

-No "These cards arent a problem at all" threads or posts. Wether you acknowledge the stupidity of the cards or not, you have to acknowledge the absurdity in the level of power creep we are facing BECAUSE of these cards. Or you have no idea what you are talking about

-No "OMG BROKEN COMBO" threads involving these cards. Bandai wont take you seriously if your reason for a card being broken is because your 5 card combo does something other than win you the game.

-No "ANTI BROKEN COMBO" Threads involving random cards you think might be the answer to these cards. 75% of these combos generally involve cards that dont affect the ninja, 20% of the combos require too much set up and are too fragile, and the last 5% generally dies to Anko or anything else in the deck to stop hate.

Pretty much sums it up. Complain if you want to, or post how you feel the cards arent going to live up to the dream, but please follow these guidlines so bandai can take us seriously.

[Sensei2312]

Not really, I mean his only jonin top was with 9K in 9K meta, so it's not like he naturally opposes the meta at major events to prove he's a better player or anything. =P

But seriously, I've been on both sides of this argument before. I've been the guy creating the fuss, and I've been the guy trying to keep everyone else calm. To be honest, both tactics suck. Flipping out wont change much, as Bandai wont errata cards unless they think its a problem, and despite having in house playtesters that think its a problem, and continually try to show them this, they stand firm on there being no problem. Keeping calm also doesnt help in anyway, because it shows that the cards aren't as damagining as they might be and on the off chance that James decides to actually come on here for once and communicate with us and the meijin (Like he used to) he wont see the problems we have with the direction bandai is going in.

Basically I think it should be handled like this:
-No "OMG I'm quitting" threads or posts as these make people not want to take you seriously. At the same time I generally just skip these posts and deam them as BS, because most of you will just come back in 2 months anyway and make an annoying thread like "I quit 2 months ago and I want to know what the meta is, and instead of looking at the cards and figuring it out, I need to make this annoying thread"

-No "These cards arent a problem at all" threads or posts. Wether you acknowledge the stupidity of the cards or not, you have to acknowledge the absurdity in the level of power creep we are facing BECAUSE of these cards. Or you have no idea what you are talking about

-No "OMG BROKEN COMBO" threads involving these cards. Bandai wont take you seriously if your reason for a card being broken is because your 5 card combo does something other than win you the game.

-No "ANTI BROKEN COMBO" Threads involving random cards you think might be the answer to these cards. 75% of these combos generally involve cards that dont affect the ninja, 20% of the combos require too much set up and are too fragile, and the last 5% generally dies to Anko or anything else in the deck to stop hate.

Pretty much sums it up. Complain if you want to, or post how you feel the cards arent going to live up to the dream, but please follow these guidlines so bandai can take us seriously.

Quote for the truth.
I'm going to continue from my point and say, yes there's been a definite power creep, and we expected as such with Sasuke and Naruto, but we don't know what else is going to happen.
Maybe they stood firm on this position for a reason?
We may never know.
But we all know what's happening, posting a million threads about the same thing tends to get annoying AND pointless.

[animefanatic]

Yeah...but isn't that just it?
We don't know what Yamato does...


What could it possibly do? The only thing it can have is an effect that says "Naruto Tailed Best cannot be played". Cause once Naruto hits the field, there is no direct counter which is just dumb and nonsensical.

[superbluff5]

How about people stop thinking cards are broken just because others say they are and actually play with them. You people make me rage almost as much as overprotective moms do.

Oh right, Bandai. My mistake.
I fell the same way
Meh, it could be worse; at least the broken cards it this game are affordable and I don't have to take out a loan to play the meta unlike another certain popular game I know about :D

The sad part of this situation is that I don't think Bandai can win no matter what they do. If Bandai continues to make ridiculous cards people will complain that their too broken and need an errata, but is Bandai doesn't make good cards then the meta won't change and the game will become stale (and people will still complain).

I think the best thing that Bandai can do for the game is errata the OC ninjas and try not to make cards that are obviously broken. If I've learned anything from playing these games its this; players are smart and will find a way to abuse any card if they have a 12 pack of red bull and nothing better to do on a Saturday night. All Bandai can really do is not make ninjas that are immune to everything.
QFT

Personally i dont want the meta to remain the same

Not really, I mean his only jonin top was with 9K in 9K meta, so it's not like he naturally opposes the meta at major events to prove he's a better player or anything. =P

But seriously, I've been on both sides of this argument before. I've been the guy creating the fuss, and I've been the guy trying to keep everyone else calm. To be honest, both tactics suck. Flipping out wont change much, as Bandai wont errata cards unless they think its a problem, and despite having in house playtesters that think its a problem, and continually try to show them this, they stand firm on there being no problem. Keeping calm also doesnt help in anyway, because it shows that the cards aren't as damagining as they might be and on the off chance that James decides to actually come on here for once and communicate with us and the meijin (Like he used to) he wont see the problems we have with the direction bandai is going in.

Basically I think it should be handled like this:
-No "OMG I'm quitting" threads or posts as these make people not want to take you seriously. At the same time I generally just skip these posts and deam them as BS, because most of you will just come back in 2 months anyway and make an annoying thread like "I quit 2 months ago and I want to know what the meta is, and instead of looking at the cards and figuring it out, I need to make this annoying thread"

-No "These cards arent a problem at all" threads or posts. Wether you acknowledge the stupidity of the cards or not, you have to acknowledge the absurdity in the level of power creep we are facing BECAUSE of these cards. Or you have no idea what you are talking about

-No "OMG BROKEN COMBO" threads involving these cards. Bandai wont take you seriously if your reason for a card being broken is because your 5 card combo does something other than win you the game.

-No "ANTI BROKEN COMBO" Threads involving random cards you think might be the answer to these cards. 75% of these combos generally involve cards that dont affect the ninja, 20% of the combos require too much set up and are too fragile, and the last 5% generally dies to Anko or anything else in the deck to stop hate.

Pretty much sums it up. Complain if you want to, or post how you feel the cards arent going to live up to the dream, but please follow these guidlines so bandai can take us seriously.

QFT

[Sensei2312]

What could it possibly do? The only thing it can have is an effect that says "Naruto Tailed Best cannot be played". Cause once Naruto hits the field, there is no direct counter which is just dumb and nonsensical.

I'm not saying there is going to be a countermeasure IN Yamato.
I'm saying we don't know what he is going to do,
what his characteristics are going to be,
what his STATS are going to be. Well...I should rephrase that,
SOME do, but not everyone.

TB is nasty, and wrong on certain levels.
But until the set comes out, I'm not going to worry about it too
much...because there isn't anything I can do.

I can't tell you to calm down, but I'm not going to tell you to start
anarchy either.

[animefanatic]

I can't tell you to calm down, but I'm not going to tell you to start
anarchy either.

This is a phrase best said last set. I do believe now is the time for anarchy. We need to organize and take down Bandai.

[CopyEyeKakashi]

This is a phrase best said last set. I do believe now is the time for anarchy. We need to organize and take down Bandai.

lol conspiricy much?

[Sensei2312]

This is a phrase best said last set. I do believe now is the time for anarchy. We need to organize and take down Bandai.

Honestly?
Are we role playing?
So is Bandai Russia?
Maybe "terrorists?" Lol

I don't see how that phrase was for last set...
I know everyone is going to freak at TB, and for good reason (Sasuke too)
but like someone else did state, Bandai is kind of ****ed if they do, ****ed if they don't kind of thing.
Do I think they SHOULD keep OC and TB the way they are?
Probably not.

But if they don't power creep, things start to get stale.
Bandai has no one to blame but themselves.

[animefanatic]

Bandai is kind of ****ed if they do, ****ed if they don't kind of thing.
Do I think they SHOULD keep OC and TB the way they are?
Probably not.

But if they don't power creep, things start to get stale.
Bandai has no one to blame but themselves.

You do know there's a medium right? You keep talking like it's either "no power creep or super redonkulous power creep"

WHAT ABOUT THE MIDDLE OF THOSE TWO.

How bout a naruto that says "can't be affected by cards of EC 4 or less". How about "Cannot be affected by jutsus only".
BAM suddenly a billion cards are viable on taking down Naruto.

For the new Sasuke. How about a 4/0 1/0.

I'm just saying take the power creeps in small steps. LoL was the perfect example of a set with a very nice and healthy power creep (minus the OCs and possibly Emina).

Bandai is effed if they don't power creep. Bandai is effed if they power creep like he1l.
OH WAIT HOW BOUT POWERCREEPING SLIGHTLY. Then you succeed Bandai. Too bad your intelligence is equivalent to that of a donkey's boner. Yes I'm talking to you Bandai.

[Sensei2312]

To bad your intelligence is equivalent to that of a donkey's boner.

That's in the rate of intelligence? O.o

I know, I see what you are saying and I agree completely with you.
That's why I said Bandai has no one to blame but themselves.
I'm not saying "Go Bandai, you made Naruto AWESOME!"
I'm saying "Eh, figures..."
I'm not surprised they did that, even though like you and few others said,
they could have done something COMPLETELY else with that card and a few others. =/

[hahonryuu]

i admit im usually quite against the scream for broken before cards come out,ive always faught the good fight on that. and while im not convinced on sasuke, if what i just heared about that naruto is true then...*shiver*

im not going to say anything since it was podcast, but if naruto OC = problem then this naruto = problem + all but kills a decktype <a couple depending on how you think of it>. it is the very definition of powercreep and if oc is a problem then this thing is definately a problem, no "waiting for it to come out" required. if it was just the second effect then yeah, but the first part just ****es me right the **** off. if you disagree then you probably have no idea what this naruto does

[Sharingun Eye]

You do know there's a medium right? You keep talking like it's either "no power creep or super redonkulous power creep"

WHAT ABOUT THE MIDDLE OF THOSE TWO.

How bout a naruto that says "can't be affected by cards of EC 4 or less". How about "Cannot be affected by jutsus only".
BAM suddenly a billion cards are viable on taking down Naruto.

For the new Sasuke. How about a 4/0 1/0.

I'm just saying take the power creeps in small steps. LoL was the perfect example of a set with a very nice and healthy power creep (minus the OCs and possibly Emina).

Bandai is effed if they don't power creep. Bandai is effed if they power creep like he1l.
OH WAIT HOW BOUT POWERCREEPING SLIGHTLY. Then you succeed Bandai. Too bad your intelligence is equivalent to that of a donkey's boner. Yes I'm talking to you Bandai.

The problem with that though is people want cards with high power creep not some mediocre power creep that only slightly raises the power creep of this game.

People IMO just want their cards with high power creep now not wait a couple sets to hopefully get there.

I agree that that certain cards were taken too far and did not need to be made the way they are but in the end to guarantee people buying new sets.

They have to make sure certain cards hugely differentiate from their other versions to stand out so that people will go out and buy the new sets that
come out. Why play a card that is just slightly better than a previous card in which you can survive with the slightly inferior card or have a card that completely annihilates the previous card so that you are compelled to buy the new set to keep up with the meta.

[dr.Rockso]

Well, nearly every person on this forum agrees with you.

Believe in Gaara_, the power creep is going faster than Comcast Powerboost.
(oh yes I did)

lame yet funny comment is lame yet funny comment

[animefanatic]

The problem with that though is people want cards with high power creep not some mediocre power creep that only slightly raises the power creep of this game.

People IMO just want their cards with high power creep now not wait a couple sets to hopefully get there.


Who are these people that want these Power Creeps? I haven't seen anyone at Bandai happy about even the OC ninjas. If you haven't noticed, most naruto players hate yugioh players. NOONE IS HAPPY ABOUT THE POWERCREEP. NOONE. get this through your Head. NOONE.

[hahonryuu]

Who are these people that want these Power Creeps? I haven't seen anyone at Bandai happy about even the OC ninjas. If you haven't noticed, most naruto players hate yugioh players. NOONE IS HAPPY ABOUT THE POWERCREEP. NOONE. get this through your Head. NOONE.

its true. while i have seen people say that the OC ninjas arent a problem or whatever, i have never seen anyone directly happy with the OC's existance

[ShadelessNyght]

I still just find it amazing how much complaining people are doing about the new Sasuke. Before fateful reunion was even ANNOUNCED, most of the people here were screaming about how Sasuke better have some amazing effect and blah blah blah, and before any testing can be done or for that matter even half of the sets list has been shown, we get these man hunts going about how broken he is going to be (not going to say is as I don't know what else is out there).

OC has been OC for quite a few sets now. It hasn't gone away, and most people have either learned how to deal with it or played with it. Does it suck? Yeah, but last I checked there is always some type of interesting or random deck idea topping plenty of high level events that don't use any of them, or have their own ways around them that so many people are complaining about to much to try and actually be creative for once.

Anyway, just my 2 cents that I'm sure I'll just be wasting a post saying again come the next set, and the next set. But sometimes it has to be said.

[Slayer]

Hmm...maybe this keep up competition when they make that powerful cards. As long as they are not totally invincible, fine with me. Every card has it's weakness and screaming isn't going to help finding it. Besides they may have high entrance cost so play those NvS decks if you don't have any other ideas in mind...

[codecatx5]

you know whats funny you guys are getting upset about pack super rares cards that have a very limited chance of being pulled

but the cards your oppinions are based on are tin cards tragic name from a tin with a rediculous effect OC's particularly the uneffectable naruto you guys hate so much. This is definately going to be different when they come out because both are super rare not just buyable out a tin with the gaurentee of getting them. So know that I think about that and how popular they are going to be which you should to which means there price is going to A: be sky high and B: be hard to get pull wise or trade or buy. So you talk about the effect but lets not forget we are talking about super rares real super rares.

but the new no effect sasuke and the kiba akamaru are just absurd for their rarities but I've at least seen bandai's getting smarter about big unaffected cards and free damage cards by to the least giving them the super rare gotta be pulled out the pack status

at least give them credit where it's due on that little fact

[codecatx5]

Hmm...maybe this keep up competition when they make that powerful cards. As long as they are not totally invincible, fine with me. Every card has it's weakness and screaming isn't going to help finding it. Besides they may have high entrance cost so play those NvS decks if you don't have any other ideas in mind...

sorry no dice ninja academy and leaf headband and supposedly leaf squad organize work on the naruto. But you might catch sasuke with NvS but you are not going to catch this Genin 2 tailed naruto.

[Slayer]

How are you so sure? You don't have to interrupt my vision with absolute opinion without explaining it to others...we are trying to learn something new after all...

[ToadSage27]

Note:Before reading this is my opinion and i might be a little premature with this, but it is a topic i wanted to bring up.

Through recent pre-view(Sasuke, Naruto, etc) im am sad to say that i have lost near to all fate within the most of the CCG. I thought that the game was trying to get away from easy damage(sasuke) and untouch-ables(naruto), but now we just get cards that are getting upgraded and upgraded from previous versions. Its either the people at bandai are not understanding the problems with these cards or they are taking the chance to get more sales through broke crads that are needed to be competative with. There has not been erratas in over almost(maybe even over)a year, and during that time period people have been complaing about many of the same cards that are problems today(garra, scj, etc). Bandai take the cotton out of your ears and listen.


Feel free to comment and discuss.

Why dont we all wait until the set actually comes out?

(I totally agree with everything you said though)

[DNaraku]

Not really, I mean his only jonin top was with 9K in 9K meta, so it's not like he naturally opposes the meta at major events to prove he's a better player or anything. =P

Hey, to make up for that I'm going to play Vanilla at GA. >_>

[Nine Tails Naruto]

I know for a fact that DN is a good player, and does not play the meta.

Complaining prematurely pretty much accomplishes nothing, but sets you up to look like a fool if a card isn't what it reads. (Note: 1st/2nd Hokage's) I'm not saying this card isn't ridiculous, because it is, but to call it broken, and to complain about it before its release achieves nothing.

That is very true, there have been many cards that are previewed and the boards explode over them only to find out that they "read" "broken," But they dont play broken(a great example is the 3rd hokage from lol).

But in the case of this 2-tailed naruto, I think all the complaints are justified at this point. With all the valid complaints from players about the oc ninja, nothing has yet to happen. The players are sick of it and have moved out of that stage and on to other decks that are competitive and fun to play without all the hassle of "having to play card x" or being slammed from playing it by other players. Then bandai comes out with a more ridiculous version of it when it customers and player base are so completly against the idea of an untouchable ninja that is so easily played. The fact of the matter is that this card or any other card should not have this effect without a huge investment from the hand, field, or br's.

One thing that I want to add onto this on the flip side of the agrument is that I think if the meta shifts back to an oc like era, the 2-tailed naruto will not be played over oc as it easier to play, has no downside(and dont say the mill effect because that only helps the decks draw engine), comes out a turn earlier, and is everywhere. Unlike the 2-tials which is a pack super that people will horde like apw's in the days of freedori.

[Snyper36912]

Everyone seems to be angry at the TBM naruto because of the "unaffected by your opponents effects" line, but I don't think thats the problem... we have OC ninjas now that do the same thing, but they aren't the meta anymore. You wanna know why? We all found ways around them! In fact, I would say that the OC ninja's brought back negation jutsu, because before they arrived there was no need to negate a jutsu when you could simply kill the ninja! TBM also has a hand cost which is one of the things we where all pulling for on the OC ninjas, which i think is a good idea... But i do think there is a problem with the kill all turn 1 or lower ninjas at the end of the turn... one of the best ways to stop OC is through mental, but with this effect how am I going to keep a mental team alive? Most of the the really good mental ninjas are turn 1 or lower... so after one turn my shikamaru [flex] and any good early sakuras are dead. It wouldnt be so broken if we both picked one at the end of the turn to kill, but its ALL of them... And I can run three of him plus continue to run three COPs (still the strongest turn 0 in the game). This card needs an errata, just not the unaffected part... the mass destruction of ninjas part! The last thing this game needs is an atom bomb on turn 4!

And the Sasuke doesn't seem that broken to me at all... Correct me if I'm wrong but doesnt it says when he goes out to battle, right? so if he passes the effect he cannt use it anymore once we start to chain... sure he can injury any pointless ninja to injury you big bady... WAIT no he cann't the ninja he injurys has to be the same entrance cost or higher then the entrance cost of your ninja. Ya, with zabuza you can swing out injure and heal before the exchange of jutsu, but that teams power is at best 12! no one should be afraid of 12 power anymore! Teams are regularly jumping into 20 to 23 power!!! I will OV your sasuke! The sasuke also has one problem at the new TBM doesnt have... it has the name sasuke. How many of the new vanilla sasuke are you going to run, 2? so you can only have one of the new sasuke? or run 1 of the vanilla so you can have 2 SR sasuke? but want about Coote? too many choices? I thought so! This card is definitely good on its turn, but not that broken if you ask me. In fact, I got to give bandai props on this one because he seems to be well rounded!

[codecatx5]

How are you so sure? You don't have to interrupt my vision with absolute opinion without explaining it to others...we are trying to learn something new after all...

sorry slayer If that I didn't elaborate the 2 tail naruto is a genin beyond that he has a lot of cards that can play him on t2 such as ninja academy and leaf headband also he's unaffected by naruto vs sasuke so it's really a normal battle all the other rules don't apply to that naruto so none of that works

but the sasuke is no longer genin so everything works on him. I'm refering to the new water sasuke and the new starter sasuke

[DNaraku]

The players are sick of it and have moved out of that stage and on to other decks that are competitive and fun to play without all the hassle of "having to play card x" or being slammed from playing it by other players.

No one is forcing you to play OC, and I myself have only played it once and only when it came out. Not when it became meta.

[Mera Mera Ace]

No one is forcing you to play OC, and I myself have only played it once and only when it came out. Not when it became meta.

Didnt you use Naruto (OC) in your Vanilla deck but then switch it to Naruto (LW)? :p

I still say let the card come out before going crazy about it.

[codecatx5]

No one is forcing you to play OC, and I myself have only played it once and only when it came out. Not when it became meta.


I was forced not to play OC

[DNaraku]

Didnt you use Naruto (OC) in your Vanilla deck but then switch it to Naruto (LW)? :p

I still say let the card come out before going crazy about it.

Before it was meta, yeah.

[Nine Tails Naruto]

No one is forcing you to play OC, and I myself have only played it once and only when it came out. Not when it became meta.


I dont play oc either(I dont even own one), I am one of those people who tell people there not as bad as they seem. But thats in terms of actually playing against them, Im talking about what there doing to the health of the game as a whole.

[OneWingedAngel]

you know whats funny you guys are getting upset about pack super rares cards that have

The cards being super rare makes it worse. Now the cards will be hard to get and only player who spend a lot of money to get them. Atleast TN and OC were in tins so everyone could get them. That doesn't change the fact that TB and Sasuke shouldn't come out.

When APW came out we lost a good 10 people. I wonder how many players we're going to lose now. I can't even recomend this game to any new players anymore. This is too horrible.

[Gaara_]

as always,and as said in the pod cast,eveyone will freak out "OMG OMGOMG OMG IT"S SO BROKEEENNNZZZZ"
and when the card comes out
and there is an obvs counter,im gonna lol ;D
and,again with the pod cast,can we skip the omg broken phase and just wait for it to come out and THEN complain???
PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

There's "an obvious counter"? And what would that be? Sealing the Nine Tailed? It's not like that's a horrible attempt at a counter. It's a silver bullet, and even has to get out before Naruto does (and he can get out on turn 2 or 3). Add the in with the fact that Lightning has the best early draw power in the game, and can even abuse CoP when using Tailed Beast Form, and it's even harder to get Sealing out first, especially when just running the cards weakens your own deck.

i know i usually agree with that, but these cards must be discussed as a problem and they should be dealt with before they are released.



everyone on the forum should agree because unless there is something better, these cards WILL BE PLAYED

And that "something better" will be a ridiculous power creep, Bandai's answer to everything.

This is a phrase best said last set. I do believe now is the time for anarchy. We need to organize and take down Bandai.

But if we kill Bandai we'll kill the game, too.

That's just antiproductive.

[Sharingun Eye]

Who are these people that want these Power Creeps? I haven't seen anyone at Bandai happy about even the OC ninjas. If you haven't noticed, most naruto players hate yugioh players. NOONE IS HAPPY ABOUT THE POWERCREEP. NOONE. get this through your Head. NOONE.

Look I hate the power creep that has been going on and I am with you all the way that statement was how Bandai thinks we want the high power creep and where I play yugioh players started playing and love the power creep hence my statement.

I did not intend to put everyone in that same catagory and to me bandai needs to wake from this power trip or this game will die.

[CopyEyeKakashi]

And that "something better" will be a ridiculous power creep, Bandai's answer to everything.

.

Unfortunatley thats the way bandai seems to work.

[GCubeDude]

i'm kinda glad for the way the game is going. In case you guys haven't noticed, in the show, the characters in Shippuden are a lot stronger than the characters in the original series. These cards are representing that growth in power in a great way, IMO. I have noticed that there are a lot more cards coming out that will get a "OMG, this card is so overpowered" response, even from me. But that's because Bandai is trying to stay in line with the show.

[Saitsuofleaves]

i'm kinda glad for the way the game is going. In case you guys haven't noticed, in the show, the characters in Shippuden are a lot stronger than the characters in the original series. These cards are representing that growth in power in a great way, IMO. I have noticed that there are a lot more cards coming out that will get a "OMG, this card is so overpowered" response, even from me. But that's because Bandai is trying to stay in line with the show.

So, making unbelievably broken cards is a good thing? If you haven't noticed, this is just Naruto at two tails, if we follow your logic, 4 Tails, 6 Tails, 8 Tails, Pein, etc...will be unstoppable. The show shouldn't be a complete precursor to what the cards will do or the game will die...fast.

[kirbyrocks101]

There's "an obvious counter"? And what would that be? Sealing the Nine Tailed? It's not like that's a horrible attempt at a counter. It's a silver bullet, and even has to get out before Naruto does (and he can get out on turn 2 or 3). Add the in with the fact that Lightning has the best early draw power in the game, and can even abuse CoP when using Tailed Beast Form, and it's even harder to get Sealing out first, especially when just running the cards weakens your own deck.



And that "something better" will be a ridiculous power creep, Bandai's answer to everything.



But if we kill Bandai we'll kill the game, too.

That's just antiproductive.

opps,i ment to say IF there is a counter :P
basicly,i was saying don't make a big deal out of it

[animefanatic]

i'm kinda glad for the way the game is going. In case you guys haven't noticed, in the show, the characters in Shippuden are a lot stronger than the characters in the original series. These cards are representing that growth in power in a great way, IMO. I have noticed that there are a lot more cards coming out that will get a "OMG, this card is so overpowered" response, even from me. But that's because Bandai is trying to stay in line with the show.

I don't see the card game following the show at all. Kotetsu and Izumo can make the head ninja immune? Kiba/Aka squad can make head ninja Immune? Why is Naruto OC immune when in the show, he's clearly not immune?

[kira wa kami]

Well, nearly every person on this forum agrees with you.

Believe in Gaara_, the power creep is going faster than Comcast Powerboost.
(oh yes I did)

yes i agree, because of the untouchable he mentioned if hes talking about the card i think he is its not valid, and well i would say more but im not ruining the podcasts, and have them stop xD

[GCubeDude]

So, making unbelievably broken cards is a good thing? If you haven't noticed, this is just Naruto at two tails, if we follow your logic, 4 Tails, 6 Tails, 8 Tails, Pein, etc...will be unstoppable. The show shouldn't be a complete precursor to what the cards will do or the game will die...fast.

Actually, I haven't seen the 2 tails. was it on the podcast? Also, think about it this way: something is only "broken" when it's above average. If Bandai is coming out with so many new, "broken" cards, then maybe they're trying to up the average. And for the record, nobody is forcing u to play this game. If u thinks the game's so unbalanced, y r u still playing?

I don't see the card game following the show at all. Kotetsu and Izumo can make the head ninja immune? Kiba/Aka squad can make head ninja Immune? Why is Naruto OC immune when in the show, he's clearly not immune?

No, what I meant was the card game shows wat they think the power could have been if the character truly showed their full power. have u played the naruto video games? they use jutsus that were never in the show, showing a power not seen in the show. That's because the creater are showing wat they think would be the characters at their max power. I guess that's wat the card game is doing as well. Besides, I never said EVERY card made sense. Kotetsu & Izumo seriously didn't need to be that good, and I haven't even seen the Kiba/Aka squad (It was on the podcast, wasn't it?)

[animefanatic]

And for the record, nobody is forcing u to play this game. If u thinks the game's so unbalanced, y r u still playing?


People like what the game once was and people want the game to succeed. And given the choices, we'd rather stick and fight for changes rather than quit a game that still has potential for success.

[reddragondecease]

Also, think about it this way: something is only "broken" when it's above average. If Bandai is coming out with so many new, "broken" cards, then maybe they're trying to up the average.

That isn't what broken means at all. O.o;

[OneWingedAngel]

Actually, I haven't seen the 2 tails. was it on the podcast? Also, think about it this way: something is only "broken" when it's above average. If Bandai is coming out with so many new, "broken" cards, then maybe they're trying to up the average.

Broken means cards that are so over powered that they control what has to be run. It also means that the cards cause problems and can generally ruin the game.

The Tailed Beast Naruto, according to the podcast, is a turn 4 6/0 healthy 8/2 injured and is unaffected by all of your opponent's effects. He also has Genin which lets him combo with a ton of cards. If no one thinks this is broken, then you are all insane.

[Gaara_]

Not to mention Tailed even nukes the opponent's ability to defend themselves, instantly ends the game with a 2-card combo (him + Leaf Academy or Leaf Squad Organized), is overstat, and unlike OC, he can be put in nearly any Lightning deck, and in the deck, he doesn't even count as Naruto, which just makes him even more broken by giving his deck a better early game.

THEN, Jiraiya, Emina, and TOWLW can get abused to make this deck not only better than Chain Lightning, but much harder to counter, and nearly impossible to play around.

[Saitsuofleaves]

Broken means cards that are so over powered that they control what has to be run. It also means that the cards cause problems and can generally ruin the game.

The Tailed Beast Naruto, according to the podcast, is a turn 4 6/0 healthy 8/2 injured and is unaffected by all of your opponent's effects. He also has Genin which lets him combo with a ton of cards. If no one thinks this is broken, then you are all insane.

I believe broken actually means, the card doesn't do what it's supposed to and ends up much more overpowered than intended. My example would be the ANC RDS where, it wasn't "OMG, we're screwed, no one will be able to beat it" but the possibility was there where an OTK could take place, so they fixed it to the effect it was supposed to have.

So if anything, Naruto TBF/TBM (whatever you want to call it) is insanely overpowered, but not broken to my definition, only because it seems Bandai likes making stupid cards. Doesn't mean the card shouldn't be errated, and honestly it'd be easier than the OC's. Just up his EC to 5 or 6, maybe up the HC, and definitively take away the Genin characteristic. Though with him having it, it reinforces my Jiraya errata want which would be only taking back Naruto jutsus so constant SCJ's don't happen.

[Kakashi_Hatake777]

I believe broken actually means, the card doesn't do what it's supposed to and ends up much more overpowered than intended. My example would be the ANC RDS where, it wasn't "OMG, we're screwed, no one will be able to beat it" but the possibility was there where an OTK could take place, so they fixed it to the effect it was supposed to have.

So if anything, Naruto TBF/TBM (whatever you want to call it) is insanely overpowered, but not broken to my definition, only because it seems Bandai likes making stupid cards. Doesn't mean the card shouldn't be errated, and honestly it'd be easier than the OC's. Just up his EC to 5 or 6, maybe up the HC, and definitively take away the Genin characteristic. Though with him having it, it reinforces my Jiraya errata want which would be only taking back Naruto jutsus so constant SCJ's don't happen.

JI is hard to pull off. But Ninja Academy and play this is all too easy. And its basically win the game right there. A 6/0 that then turns into a 8/2 on t2......... no thanks. I just hope that the podcast guys were misinformed or something.

[CopyEyeKakashi]

JI is hard to pull off. But Ninja Academy and play this is all too easy. And its basically win the game right there. A 6/0 that then turns into a 8/2 on t2......... no thanks. I just hope that the podcast guys were misinformed or something.

all though it is easy, i still wouldnt play ninja adacamy. Also RDS shoujld not have gotten an errata because before it was playable and fun, but its kinda bad now.

[Shippuden gamer]

JI is hard to pull off. But Ninja Academy and play this is all too easy. And its basically win the game right there. A 6/0 that then turns into a 8/2 on t2......... no thanks. I just hope that the podcast guys were misinformed or something.

they weren't. Tylar had the card and was staring at it during the podcast

[Saitsuofleaves]

JI is hard to pull off. But Ninja Academy and play this is all too easy. And its basically win the game right there. A 6/0 that then turns into a 8/2 on t2......... no thanks. I just hope that the podcast guys were misinformed or something.

When I was referring to RDS, I was talking about the possibility of a win on Turn 6...mostly because JI doesn't work on the Third or Fourth.

Considering Tylar himself had the card and spent three hours getting the last effect on it so it wouldn't be Game Plague broken, I really doubt he was misinformed.

[OneWingedAngel]

I believe broken actually means, the card doesn't do what it's supposed to and ends up much more overpowered than intended. My example would be the ANC RDS where, it wasn't "OMG, we're screwed, no one will be able to beat it" but the possibility was there where an OTK could take place, so they fixed it to the effect it was supposed to have.

So if anything, Naruto TBF/TBM (whatever you want to call it) is insanely overpowered, but not broken to my definition, only because it seems Bandai likes making stupid cards. Doesn't mean the card shouldn't be errated, and honestly it'd be easier than the OC's. Just up his EC to 5 or 6, maybe up the HC, and definitively take away the Genin characteristic. Though with him having it, it reinforces my Jiraya errata want which would be only taking back Naruto jutsus so constant SCJ's don't happen.

I think the term broken can have different meanings. I consider overpowered bombs like TBF to be broken as well as unchainable damage effects, like that water Sasuke. Others may consider "unhealthy" effects to be broken. In the end it comes down to personal opinion.

Even though it is all opinion, I don't see how anyone can say the TBF is not broken. Nothing justifies that effect. OC Naruto already took the turn 3 Naruto spot for the rest of the game. Now TBF trumps it. This is beyond crazy.

[Sensei2312]

I think the term broken can have different meanings. I consider overpowered bombs like TBF to be broken as well as unchainable damage effects, like that water Sasuke. Others may consider "unhealthy" effects to be broken. In the end it comes down to personal opinion.

Even though it is all opinion, I don't see how anyone can say the TBF is not broken. Nothing justifies that effect. OC Naruto already took the turn 3 Naruto spot for the rest of the game. Now TBF trumps it. This is beyond crazy.

The term broken doesn't have multiple meanings, it has ONE.
And that meaning was originated way back when MTG started.
The term "broken" was started because certain cards that were meant to do one or two things, did more, and did them with such force, that they defied certain rules of the game or what the game had to offer.

One example was "The One Who Inherits And Entrusts The Will".
It could draw 6 CARDS.
No other card has that kind of straight up draw power STILL, except I guess JLDC, but you have to have 5-6 cards IN your hand for that to be.

TOWIAETW, was just such HUGE draw power, it did more then what any other element could in the draw power area.
That's why it was "broken".

[Gaara_]

"Broken" means a card is more than overpowered, and often times, a broken card can completely change the metagame. Such an example would be Naruto OC. He himself was very overpowered, but not broken. OC was made broken because of Emina and Jiraiya.

Broken isn't "a card that completely changes the entire metagame and pretty much can't be stopped". It's a misconception that only the absolute best card(s) possible can be broken. Naruto hasn't seen too many broken cards, and for the most part, the only ones we've had were Trigrams and Vortex (early), APW & Inherits, Gaara IP (though he could be sided against), and the OCs, so far.

[Megamarik]

"Broken" means a card is more than overpowered, and often times, a broken card can completely change the metagame. Such an example would be Naruto OC. He himself was very overpowered, but not broken. OC was made broken because of Emina and Jiraiya.

Broken isn't "a card that completely changes the entire metagame and pretty much can't be stopped". It's a misconception that only the absolute best card(s) possible can be broken. Naruto hasn't seen too many broken cards, and for the most part, the only ones we've had were Trigrams and Vortex (early), APW & Inherits, Gaara IP (though he could be sided against), and the OCs, so far.

You are calling vortex and trigrams broken.

el oh el

[Gaara_]

You are calling vortex and trigrams broken.

el oh el

Because they're obviously not accompanied by a pair of parenthesis which contain words.

[Megamarik]

Because they're obviously not accompanied by a pair of parenthesis which contain words.

They never were broken. It's just no other element had any jutsus worth playing over these in the early stages of the game.

[Sensei2312]

"Broken" means a card is more than overpowered, and often times, a broken card can completely change the metagame. Such an example would be Naruto OC. He himself was very overpowered, but not broken. OC was made broken because of Emina and Jiraiya.

Broken isn't "a card that completely changes the entire metagame and pretty much can't be stopped". It's a misconception that only the absolute best card(s) possible can be broken. Naruto hasn't seen too many broken cards, and for the most part, the only ones we've had were Trigrams and Vortex (early), APW & Inherits, Gaara IP (though he could be sided against), and the OCs, so far.

IP isn't and wasn't broken. :|
And so far, only one of the OC's has been complained about,
and it's not so much HE is broken, as much as the cards that
accompany him such as Rasengan, 2k Barrage, and Giant Rasengan, all make him THAT much better. =/

And Trigrams/Vortex weren't broken even early.

P.S. - You forgot Ino, she WAS broken in her early day.

[codecatx5]

IP isn't and wasn't broken. :|
And so far, only one of the OC's has been complained about,
and it's not so much HE is broken, as much as the cards that
accompany him such as Rasengan, 2k Barrage, and Giant Rasengan, all make him THAT much better. =/

And Trigrams/Vortex weren't broken even early.

P.S. - You forgot Ino, she WAS broken in her early day.

while it may be that only Oc naruto isn't broken it's a lot easier to target him rather than his support cards mostly because they don't just support that particular deck they support just about every deck in lightning so if one naruto is causing most of this fuss then yes he must be broken and Ip was broken thats why it was meta first he's a rare then sandtomb, double sand blade and most of his jutsus back then weren't super rare and he had an effect that made his deck run faster than the vast majority of others so yes he was broken too as far as trigrams the target one send to the top of the deck card who's only requirement was jonin which fire always has and the once again requiring jonin card called water style gian vortex jutsu that sent a whole team back to the hand cards of that power still don't exist with such loose requirements so yes they count as overpowererd and broken the only difference now is that a lot of protection and negation an unaffectablity has come out so they don't seem to make the same impact on gameplay as the used to but make no mistake they still make an impact.

[OneWingedAngel]

IP isn't and wasn't broken. :|
And so far, only one of the OC's has been complained about,
and it's not so much HE is broken, as much as the cards that
accompany him such as Rasengan, 2k Barrage, and Giant Rasengan, all make him THAT much better. =/

And Trigrams/Vortex weren't broken even early.

P.S. - You forgot Ino, she WAS broken in her early day.

I agree that Gaara IP and the deck around him was never broken. It just came out at a time when there wasn't a lot of options against it. Trigram and Vortex are in the same boat.

You're wrong about OC though. The OC ninja, Naruto in this case, is the main problem with the deck. None of the cards that revolve around that deck are broken without the OC. SCJ, 2K Barrage, and Jiraiya were around way before the OC came out and no one made a single complaint about them. It wasn't until an "unaffected by everything" ninja came out to use them. None of these cards are broken or over the top in anyway, the only reason anyone wants these fixed is because of Naruto OC. Emina and TOWLW also fall into this. TOWLW is a perminent mission that has plenty of counters, Emina not so much. But, by having ninjas that can be dealt with and a level playing field, hence not "uneffected by everything" even these wouldn't be considered insane. Emina, maybe since there aren't too many client counters. But, that's beside the point. What I'm saying is this OC deck, whether you call it Chain Lightning or not, is an annoying problem solely because of the OC Naruto's invincibility effect. Now if that's not broken then what is? And now we're getting an even stronger version of him.

[Saitsuofleaves]

while it may be that only Oc naruto isn't broken it's a lot easier to target him rather than his support cards mostly because they don't just support that particular deck they support just about every deck in lightning so if one naruto is causing most of this fuss then yes he must be broken and Ip was broken thats why it was meta first he's a rare then sandtomb, double sand blade and most of his jutsus back then weren't super rare and he had an effect that made his deck run faster than the vast majority of others so yes he was broken too as far as trigrams the target one send to the top of the deck card who's only requirement was jonin which fire always has and the once again requiring jonin card called water style gian vortex jutsu that sent a whole team back to the hand cards of that power still don't exist with such loose requirements so yes they count as overpowererd and broken the only difference now is that a lot of protection and negation an unaffectablity has come out so they don't seem to make the same impact on gameplay as the used to but make no mistake they still make an impact.

IP was never broken. There's a reason he wasn't raping everything until DSB came out.

What do you mean only OC Naruto isn't broken? If anything he said the exact opposite and said OC Naruto is the ONLY OC card that's broken, seeing as more people are taking to Sasuke COotE rather than Sasuke OC and...come on, who uses Kimi?

[Sensei2312]

I agree that Gaara IP and the deck around him was never broken. It just came out at a time when there wasn't a lot of options against it. Trigram and Vortex are in the same boat.

You're wrong about OC though. The OC ninja, Naruto in this case, is the main problem with the deck. None of the cards that revolve around that deck are broken without the OC. SCJ, 2K Barrage, and Jiraiya were around way before the OC came out and no one made a single complaint about them. It wasn't until an "unaffected by everything" ninja came out to use them. None of these cards are broken or over the top in anyway, the only reason anyone wants these fixed is because of Naruto OC. Emina and TOWLW also fall into this. TOWLW is a perminent mission that has plenty of counters, Emina not so much. But, by having ninjas that can be dealt with and a level playing field, hence not "uneffected by everything" even these wouldn't be considered insane. Emina, maybe since there aren't too many client counters. But, that's beside the point. What I'm saying is this OC deck, whether you call it Chain Lightning or not, is an annoying problem solely because of the OC Naruto's invincibility effect. Now if that's not broken then what is? And now we're getting an even stronger version of him.

Yeah but see, those cards need OC, and OC needs those cards.
IMO, Broken cards can stand on their own without needing anything like what OC needs.
But yes his "Don't touch me" effect is VERY annoying, and I do hate him having it SO much.
But at the same time, cards like Ino and The One Who Inherits, didn't need anything to just CHANGE the game.
That's why both got Errata'd, same thing with APW.

If OC didn't have Jiriaya and Enima, then he wouldn't be AS playable, because you would be discarding cards with SCJ and OC's effect, but not being able to get them back.
It's a long heated debate/argument that might keep going on and on, but I'm still on the edge of saying OC is broken, only because like I said, he needs the cards around him to make him better, while things like Ino, APW, and Inherits, didn't. That's why they got the Errata, and OC hasn't yet.


But OC might not have, just because like one person said, Bandai is kind of slow at those sort of things. :rolleyes:

[codecatx5]

I said he was as in Naruto OC is broken but IP whether you think so or not had the best effects and the best jutsu's to go with him and to top it off he became meta you don't become meta without brokeness and without some sort of great powerfull mid to late game gaara he was going to be stuck to tragic name instead of really having his own deck and lets admit it there are no 4 drop gaara's as good as IP

[Sensei2312]

to top it off he became meta you don't become meta without brokeness

I don't agree with THAT line right there.

[codecatx5]

which part the meta part where there is used to be at least 4 gaara decks to all around my shop or the broken part where someone ninja academy's IP sends, searches for a jutsu and clears the field then swarms for game

[Sensei2312]

which part the meta part where there is used to be at least 4 gaara decks to all around my shop or the broken part where someone ninja academy's IP sends, searches for a jutsu and clears the field then swarms for game

I'm sorry, but how many times did THAT combo work?

And the part where if you are meta, you're broken. :|
Then that means someone from Fire is broken, Puppets for sure,
Maybe water?
I just don't think you worded it right AT all.

[codecatx5]

I'm sorry, but how many times did THAT combo work?

And the part where if you are meta, you're broken. :|
Then that means someone from Fire is broken, Puppets for sure,
Maybe water?
I just don't think you worded it right AT all.

yeah suprisingly more than you think sakura's and other random useful draws didn't make it too hard for people

Fire is broken most useable removal jutsu for a long time Trigram best universal negation sharingan and some of the best ninja's ever kakashi, Itachi, sasuke and the third hokage but with that deck it wasn't one ninja but the deck was broken nonetheless

puppets Kankuro plays a puppet from hand and then places them in his team at any time that's broken when your team power without boosts are in the 20's

and water I don't remember it being meta but I did see broken decks jonin accesable vortex the sound fours jirobo tayuya and kidomaru state 2's with kimimaru sealing the deal four flames formation any one spider bow fierce rip ftw then manda decks where konohamaru minuses off a 4 drop jonin then you summon manda then you temp vessel the jonin and growth into lurking evil that is a broken combo and once again happens more often than you think

so yes brokeness makes meta

[OneWingedAngel]

which part the meta part where there is used to be at least 4 gaara decks to all around my shop or the broken part where someone ninja academy's IP sends, searches for a jutsu and clears the field then swarms for game

The only reason Gaara IP was so dominate was because of when it came out. It came out very close to the Sannin and everyone saw that the deck worked and felt "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em". If LoL came out earlier and was legal for the Sannin, everything would have been different.

[codecatx5]

The only reason Gaara IP was so dominate was because of when it came out. It came out very close to the Sannin and everyone saw that the deck worked and felt "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em". If LoL came out earlier and was legal for the Sannin, everything would have been different.

but to cause that you gotta be doing something right but yes your point is valid but later OC won't be that problematic either so it's not broke right wrong. so no matter what it will be next set or the set after that it is what it is right now.

That's all I'm saying and don't bother saying those are two different problems on two different levels

[Gaara_]

I'm sorry, but how many times did THAT combo work?

And the part where if you are meta, you're broken. :|
Then that means someone from Fire is broken, Puppets for sure,
Maybe water?
I just don't think you worded it right AT all.

What? Leaf Academy -> Gaara? It's actually REALLY easy. 40-card decks, and Sakura ADP make it a lot easier than it seems.

Also, the reason why 9K never won many big events was because eventually, somebody stopped being an idiot and decided to run a deck that does exactly what stops 9K, and that not stupid (that's the only way I can describe it) went on to become Sannin.

[OneWingedAngel]

Yeah but see, those cards need OC, and OC needs those cards.
IMO, Broken cards can stand on their own without needing anything like what OC needs.
But yes his "Don't touch me" effect is VERY annoying, and I do hate him having it SO much.
But at the same time, cards like Ino and The One Who Inherits, didn't need anything to just CHANGE the game.
That's why both got Errata'd, same thing with APW.

If OC didn't have Jiriaya and Enima, then he wouldn't be AS playable, because you would be discarding cards with SCJ and OC's effect, but not being able to get them back.
It's a long heated debate/argument that might keep going on and on, but I'm still on the edge of saying OC is broken, only because like I said, he needs the cards around him to make him better, while things like Ino, APW, and Inherits, didn't. That's why they got the Errata, and OC hasn't yet.


But OC might not have, just because like one person said, Bandai is kind of slow at those sort of things. :rolleyes:

Think about it a little differently. If we take away Naruto OC and replace it with the new tin Naruto that searches for jutsus would the deck be as devistating? Everything would work just like the deck works now with one big difference. You can now counter Naruto. The player running Naruto must now think when sending out because now Naruto can be hit by jutsus and before he couldn't. This completely changes the mind state of how you would have to play and levels the playing field.

Would Naruto be broken by himself? Truthfully, there is no way to know because that's just not the case. Jiraiya and the others were already out when first. So what it comes down to is A) change all of these cards, or B) change the one that makes everything else worse than what it is.

I do agree that Bandai is ridiculously slow at changing stuff. APW and Inherits weren't changed until until 2 sets after and still Bandai waited until after the Sannin, and that worries me. I don't think this game can survive like this and if another Sannin has a "same deck epidemic" it could mean the end of it.

[codecatx5]

Think about it a little differently. If we take away Naruto OC and replace it with the new tin Naruto that searches for jutsus would the deck be as devistating? Everything would work just like the deck works now with one big difference. You can now counter Naruto. The player running Naruto must now think when sending out because now Naruto can be hit by jutsus and before he couldn't. This completely changes the mind state of how you would have to play and levels the playing field.

Would Naruto be broken by himself? Truthfully, there is no way to know because that's just not the case. Jiraiya and the others were already out when first. So what it comes down to is A) change all of these cards, or B) change the one that makes everything else worse than what it is.

I do agree that Bandai is ridiculously slow at changing stuff. APW and Inherits weren't changed until until 2 sets after and still Bandai waited until after the Sannin, and that worries me. I don't think this game can survive like this and if another Sannin has a "same deck epidemic" it could mean the end of it.

wow that's agreeable but umm what's the same deck epidemic never heard of that

[naruto shippuden]

plz rant. for once i agree with the idea. rant. the creativity is gone. run to win (but sannin is usually original). i hat ban, but ban for a season some a the cards as a trial to shut up people and either put them in their place or prove em right. its all bout the $$$$. but dont get me wrong its still fun ( 4 nao)


dude seriously if u dont like the game then dont buy it if its so called"dead"to u however alot ppl like it like myself. to ppl like u everythings all about money

[garrangel]

wow that's agreeable but umm what's the same deck epidemic never heard of that

It was at Sannin where it was play Freedori or lose.

[OneWingedAngel]

but to cause that you gotta be doing something right but yes your point is valid but later OC won't be that problematic either so it's not broke right wrong. so no matter what it will be next set or the set after that it is what it is right now.

That's all I'm saying and don't bother saying those are two different problems on two different levels

Why can't I say they are on different levels? They are. Gaara was a problem because of lack of an ability to counter him at the time. That problem solves itself when more cards get released. OC Naruto is a problem because of his immunity effect. So not matter what comes out. nothing will be able to touch him. He and the Tailed-Beast make 90% of the cards out now and the cards yet to be made useless. That's a huge differnce. And that's why OC and TB are broken.

[Saitsuofleaves]

It was at Sannin where it was play Freedori or lose.

Yeah, but when it broke out in the Over 9k form...hey what do you know, an antivirus came and saved the day...in the form of Gaara TN, darn!

[OneWingedAngel]

wow that's agreeable but umm what's the same deck epidemic never heard of that

I just came up with that and though it was clever. I'm refering to what the decks were at the past two Sannins. The first was play fire Inherits, Freedori, and APW or lose. Last years, as you know, was play Gaara IP or lose. It's a good thing Gaara IP lost to dogs or this game probably would have been dead.

[Saitsuofleaves]

I just came up with that and though it was clever. I'm refering to what the decks were at the past two Sannins. The first was play fire Inherits, Freedori, and APW or lose. Last years, as you know, was play Gaara IP or lose. It's a good thing Gaara IP lost to dogs or this game probably would have been dead.

Oh yeah, the game would've been so dead, yeah, and that set called Lineage of the Legends definitively did nothing to stop Wind.

[codecatx5]

Why can't I say they are on different levels? They are. Gaara was a problem because of lack of an ability to counter him at the time. That problem solves itself when more cards get released. OC Naruto is a problem because of his immunity effect. So not matter what comes out. nothing will be able to touch him. He and the Tailed-Beast make 90% of the cards out now and the cards yet to be made useless. That's a huge differnce. And that's why OC and TB are broken.

See that's the point of course they are different levels if they were on the same level we wouldn't have this problem but it seems one problem solves another so freedori met gaara then he met OC and now everybody is about to see TBF so once this is solved it will seem so weak in comparison to whatever the current problem will be so something needs to be changed but it's hard to when the game has been built around creating a problem and my only solution is to balance brokenes with a stronger variety of brokeness

[OneWingedAngel]

Oh yeah, the game would've been so dead, yeah, and that set called Lineage of the Legends definitively did nothing to stop Wind.

LoL did help, but a lot of players would have been so frustrated they might not have cared. That's all I meant. The game was in a bad spot at that Sannin.

[OneWingedAngel]

See that's the point of course they are different levels if they were on the same level we wouldn't have this problem but it seems one problem solves another so freedori met gaara then he met OC and now everybody is about to see TBF so once this is solved it will seem so weak in comparison to whatever the current problem will be so something needs to be changed but it's hard to when the game has been built around creating a problem and my only solution is to balance brokenes with a stronger variety of brokeness

No, the solution is not to balance brokeness with more brokeness. That's just just the half-assed solution Bandai has elected to use. The way to fixe everything is to get rid of the problems. In this case, ban/errata OC Naruto and Tailed-Beast.

[Saitsuofleaves]

See that's the point of course they are different levels if they were on the same level we wouldn't have this problem but it seems one problem solves another so freedori met gaara then he met OC and now everybody is about to see TBF so once this is solved it will seem so weak in comparison to whatever the current problem will be so something needs to be changed but it's hard to when the game has been built around creating a problem and my only solution is to balance brokenes with a stronger variety of brokeness

Or an errata, or making cards for a decktype that can beat down the brokenness. Freedori and Gaara's weakness was that once they were injured, they were basically screwed. Freedori didn't have to worry about it since damagers weren't that great at that time, unless Wind Blade was your bag of tea. Gaara had...well another Gaara to deal with and last I checked TN>IP.

OC doesn't have this problem because it can't be damaged. I say just slightly errata his support. Make Emina what it was supposed to be and make Jiraya only get back Naruto jutsu.

TBF doesn't have the mill help that OC does (saying that it doesn't fuel the decktype with mill like OC does) but it fills the 4 slot, something Lightning needed, has Genin so NvS's now wreak havic on everything, and it doesn't count as Naruto in the deck, so you could essentially put in both (though I wouldn't suggest it). Oh, and his stats are off the charts. TBF's only weakness is that it's hyper sensitive to Mental because it has to be sent out every turn, so if you happen to not have a jutsu, a simple Shika Flex or Shikamari wrecks him immediately. An errata to him would be simple, up his EC, maybe up his HC if you're paranoid, and for the love of god, take off Genin!!!

[codecatx5]

Or an errata, or making cards for a decktype that can beat down the brokenness. Freedori and Gaara's weakness was that once they were injured, they were basically screwed. Freedori didn't have to worry about it since damagers weren't that great at that time, unless Wind Blade was your bag of tea. Gaara had...well another Gaara to deal with and last I checked TN>IP.

OC doesn't have this problem because it can't be damaged. I say just slightly errata his support. Make Emina what it was supposed to be and make Jiraya only get back Naruto jutsu.

TBF doesn't have the mill help that OC does (saying that it doesn't fuel the decktype with mill like OC does) but it fills the 4 slot, something Lightning needed, has Genin so NvS's now wreak havic on everything, and it doesn't count as Naruto in the deck, so you could essentially put in both (though I wouldn't suggest it). Oh, and his stats are off the charts. TBF's only weakness is that it's hyper sensitive to Mental because it has to be sent out every turn, so if you happen to not have a jutsu, a simple Shika Flex or Shikamari wrecks him immediately. An errata to him would be simple, up his EC, maybe up his HC if you're paranoid, and for the love of god, take off Genin!!!

my problem with errata to his support is it hurt lightning period to do that the deck is irrelevant without these things yes but every lightning player would feel their decks becoming useless and thats unfair to us lightning users such as myself and I can't support that in any way as far as the naruto it's simple change it to ninja's and jutsu like special power and TBF well when people use him we will see what he needs till then I can't judge that because the meta could turn into something totally different by then and it may not be as big of a problem but we won't know for sure till then

[CopyEyeKakashi]

which part the meta part where there is used to be at least 4 gaara decks to all around my shop or the broken part where someone ninja academy's IP sends, searches for a jutsu and clears the field then swarms for game

ninja academy/9k was one of the janky-est for of 9k.
Also note, the only card to really break the format was garra(tn).

[Saitsuofleaves]

my problem with errata to his support is it hurt lightning period to do that the deck is irrelevant without these things yes but every lightning player would feel their decks becoming useless and thats unfair to us lightning users such as myself and I can't support that in any way as far as the naruto it's simple change it to ninja's and jutsu like special power and TBF well when people use him we will see what he needs till then I can't judge that because the meta could turn into something totally different by then and it may not be as big of a problem but we won't know for sure till then

How would it hurt Lightning users? Emina's effect SHOULD'VE sent her to chakra when activated, the fact that it doesn't is stupid. Just having her killed any budding mill decks. Jiraya only getting back Naruto jutsu would be fine, because SCJ to be used over and over again is just stupid, regardless of the element. Besides, you play Box Lunch, so it's not like your non-Naruto jutsu are gone forever. It wouldn't kill Lightning, it would actually keep it balanced.

[codecatx5]

How would it hurt Lightning users? Emina's effect SHOULD'VE sent her to chakra when activated, the fact that it doesn't is stupid. Just having her killed any budding mill decks. Jiraya only getting back Naruto jutsu would be fine, because SCJ to be used over and over again is just stupid, regardless of the element. Besides, you play Box Lunch, so it's not like your non-Naruto jutsu are gone forever. It wouldn't kill Lightning, it would actually keep it balanced.

don't get me started on balance there are many things that need to be done to balance, emina is fine as she is and if you think about it lightning is recycle thats it's ability and without invicible ninja's none of any of you would have thought about enima, Jiraiya or any other person client jutsu or mission in the element.

to explain why emina is fine as is I'll have to say all she does is shuffle into the deck then draw and even in mill with shadow clone Jutsu ER(which can take the errata I don't care about that card) all she does is make it harder to break the strategy because you can replay big powerfull ninja's that you need but she dosen't build your field. she just gets the ninja's in your discard pile into your deck and that's called the recycle. Aside from that you can mill over your desired ninja many time's or not draw it at all.

Yeah anyone using the one who lives within or any of the other lighting staples will suffer. It's completely unfair to sit here and call broke the best cards in lightning and still not look back at earth, Wind, Fire and water. Especially fire with symbol of the proud clan, the new kakashi,Coote sasuke and even this new mangekyo oh and lets not forget the all around jutsu annoyance in shringan and trigram. So balance hasn't happened in the other elements and until they are fair stop targeting lightning.

[codecatx5]

ninja academy/9k was one of the janky-est for of 9k.
Also note, the only card to really break the format was garra(tn).

where I am tragic name wasn't a big deal still annoying but not a big deal

[CopyEyeKakashi]

where I am tragic name wasn't a big deal still annoying but not a big deal

tragic name is annoying to whoever plays it.

[codecatx5]

tragic name is annoying to whoever plays it.

I completely agreee It just wasn't seem very much I only saw one play who used him in the last chuunin I went to and only one at my main place and that was a while ago matter of fact I have one sitting in my stack of promo's somewhere.... over the rainbow

[OneWingedAngel]

I completely agreee It just wasn't seem very much I only saw one play who used him in the last chuunin I went to and only one at my main place and that was a while ago matter of fact I have one sitting in my stack of promo's somewhere.... over the rainbow

Do most of us agree that Gaara TN needs to be changed to exchange of jutsu only?

[Gaara_]

Do most of us agree that Gaara TN needs to be changed to exchange of jutsu only?

I agree, though that won't take Gaara down too much.

[Tsu Kiyo Me]

I agree, though that won't take Gaara down too much.

Wait wut? Half the reason he is ridic is because he's before the EOJ.

Mental just beats him down if he's chainable during EOJ. If Gaara didn't exist before EOJ, Freedori would be playable at a competitive level, Mental would be near top tier this format, etc. etc.

I agree with the OP though. I'm about to quit this game again after seeing what was previewed so far. You've got to be kidding me with the new Naruto Tailed Beast, and the amount of shenanigans I can come up with the new Sasori, while its cool, it just makes for a very unbalanced game.

Next set, play Lightning or Wind or Wind/Water or expect to lose. Fire, at least from what we've seen, is so bad next set it's embarassing.

[Saitsuofleaves]

I agree, though that won't take Gaara down too much.

At least now he'd be chainable to. He'll still be great, but he won't be as annoyingly untouchable when he does it.

[CopyEyeKakashi]

Do most of us agree that Gaara TN needs to be changed to exchange of jutsu only?

thats what almost everyone says...

[OneWingedAngel]

thats what almost everyone says...

Then why hasn't it been changed yet? We have a viable complaint that everyone agrees how to fix and nothing gets done. Unbelievable.

[Saitsuofleaves]

Then why hasn't it been changed yet? We have a viable complaint that everyone agrees how to fix and nothing gets done. Unbelievable.

Because no matter how unbelievably simple and sensible it might be, Bandai doesn't really give a crap about our opinions on cards and how they should be errated. At least, not until tourney season, but they ignored that with Gaara TN too. Most if not all cards that need an errata we all can agree on.

Gaara TN on EoJ.
Emina sent to chakra

Some people don't agree on errata even though some/most think they should be errated.

Jiraya IMO should only get back Naruto jutsus/Rasengans
Naruto OC IMO shouldn't be in a team of 3 or more ninjas.

Regardless, they never listen it seems like until it blows up in their face. I'm not going to worry about it.

[Fire Lord]

The sad part of this situation is that I don't think Bandai can win no matter what they do. If Bandai continues to make ridiculous cards people will complain that their too broken and need an errata, but is Bandai doesn't make good cards then the meta won't change and the game will become stale (and people will still complain).

I think the best thing that Bandai can do for the game is errata the OC ninjas and try not to make cards that are obviously broken. If I've learned anything from playing these games its this; players are smart and will find a way to abuse any card if they have a 12 pack of red bull and nothing better to do on a Saturday night. All Bandai can really do is not make ninjas that are immune to everything.

I think there ARE ways to deal with the power creep issue, several different ways, however, they are flawed, but still better than dealing with an immense power creep:

The MtG Method: Set Legality - This is a system that can infuriate players and tighten wallets, but I believe that if you measure its pros and cons, it is perhaps the best know method for dealing with power creep, albeit it is still flawed.

Mtg has many formats you can play in, but the most popular for tournaments is Standard, where only cards from the most recent couple of sets can be used. This is the only system that outright cancels power creep completely - because the old cards eventually cannot be used anymore, and as thus, you don't need to create better cards. Not better cards, just a "different" environment.

The flaws of this is that there is a higher cost required to stay competitive (however, I would like to point out, this cost would likely wind up being lower than buying off the new broken super every time it comes out) and that it obsoletes cards, meaning that much or your money winds up become useless. However, Mtg also offers other formats - Extended and Legacy - which allow you to use larger and larger card pools that dip further and further back into history, allowing you to keep your cards useful. Also, if your old cards are obsoleted by intense power creep, then why does it matter anyway? Would you rather have
a) obsoleted cards, broken playing environment
-or-
b) obsoleted cards, healthy play environment.

Obviously b, so the fact that your cards are obsoleted is no worse than it is with power creep.

Overall, only allowing the legality in tournaments of certain sets cancels power creep while keeping the meta interesting, fresh, healthy and diverse, and while it has downsides, the same downsides also exist in a power creep situation, only worse.

Good day, sir!

*walks out*

p.s. was going to give more alternatives to power creep, but don't feel like it.