Hinata and Neji

[Gaara_]

What's the deal with them? I thought they were cousins, but I keep seeing references to them being siblings. But if they're siblings, why are they from different branches? And if anything, wouldn't Neji be in the Main Branch because he's the firstborn, and generally they get the good crap?

And Neji seems so close to Hizashi, and Hinata to Hiashi, so that just makes me even more confused. And then Hanabi, where does she fit in?

[hahonryuu]

What's the deal with them? I thought they were cousins, but I keep seeing references to them being siblings. But if they're siblings, why are they from different branches? And if anything, wouldn't Neji be in the Main Branch because he's the firstborn, and generally they get the good crap?

And Neji seems so close to Hizashi, and Hinata to Hiashi, so that just makes me even more confused. And then Hanabi, where does she fit in?

they are cousins...what references are you talking about to them being siblings?

even if they were siblings they wouldnt both be in the same branch...hiashi and hizashi are twins, but in different branches. not sure why hanabi and hinata are in the same branch >_> maybe its a guy thing, or because they were twins...i dunno

hanabi,hinatas sister, is main branch...making hiashi and hizashi so much more confusing

[RotationNeiji]

since both Hizashi and Hiashi were identical twins, their DNA should be exactly the same.

thus, if my Biology memory serves me, Hinata and Neji are genetically half brother/sister AND cousins :p

[hahonryuu]

since both Hizashi and Hiashi were identical twins, their DNA should be exactly the same.

thus, if my Biology memory serves me, Hinata and Neji are genetically half brother/sister AND cousins :p

i dont think they ahve the exact same DNA, im pretty sure that thats unique no matter what


it would suck if your twin bro commited a crime and they tested the dna and blamed you lol. i think that their dna is stupid similar but i dont think its exactly the same

even then, they are still cousins, not bro and sis. i would say that thats determined more on the who had babies with who and not DNA


of course i could be wrong <in this post, my other post was accurate>

and again gaara_ where is this reference to them being bro and sis?

[Gaara_]

Be back in an hour, edit this post with a quick reference. The most recent reference I saw was that Hinata called Neji her brother in the DS RPG game. Also, on the ER Gentle Fist card, the quote is "Get ready... My brother."

[hahonryuu]

Be back in an hour, edit this post with a quick reference. The most recent reference I saw was that Hinata called Neji her brother in the DS RPG game. Also, on the ER Gentle Fist card, the quote is "Get ready... My brother."

oh...well thats because its translation...in japan she calls him nii-san..or sama, i cant remember <they havent had interation in a long time lol> but the suffix in this case really doesnt matter. well that means big brother. it doesnt really mean anything, i mean konohamaru calls naruto "naruto nii-chan" and in shippuuden calls sakura "sakura nee-chan" which is big sister but they obv arent related

its quite common in anime <not sure about japan in general since a lot of stuff is said in anime that usually isnt said or done in actual japanese society> to call someone you respect big brother or big sister

dont worry, they're cousins :p

[Gaara_]

http://www.bandaicg.com/naruto/images/cards_s6/jus018.jpg

There we go. Neji and Hinata are cousins AND siblings. We need to get the Kishi for this one.

[hahonryuu]

http://www.bandaicg.com/naruto/images/cards_s6/jus018.jpg

There we go. Neji and Hinata are cousins AND siblings. We need to get the Kishi for this one.

did you not read this post?

oh...well thats because its translation...in japan she calls him nii-san..or sama, i cant remember <they havent had interation in a long time lol> but the suffix in this case really doesnt matter. well that means big brother. it doesnt really mean anything, i mean konohamaru calls naruto "naruto nii-chan" and in shippuuden calls sakura "sakura nee-chan" which is big sister but they obv arent related

its quite common in anime <not sure about japan in general since a lot of stuff is said in anime that usually isnt said or done in actual japanese society> to call someone you respect big brother or big sister

dont worry, they're cousins :p

or do you simply not believe me?

[Gaara_]

did you not read this post?

or do you simply not believe me?

Ehhh not really. It's plausible but I don't think it happened. The show isn't translated by Viz, so....

[hahonryuu]

Ehhh not really. It's plausible but I don't think it happened. The show isn't translated by Viz, so....

but she does call him nii-"insert suffix here" and it is translated by someone, they know basic japanese, know that when saying "nii" they are calling that person brother, whether they are really related or not

you not believing me doesnt make what i say any less true

[Kintaro]

Honramalamadingdong90210rutabega is correct....it's CLEARLY a (lousy) translation issue.

It's been well established, in both the manga and the anime, that they are cousins.

This game thing you referenced is simply someone not knowing anything about Japanese culture, and I'm guessing translated the game text directly.
As for the card stuff, keep in mind what I said about the game thing : likely also applies. And consider the source : A gaming company that couldn't spell TOAD SWORD right to save it's life, has had numerous spelling errors nearly every set, and mosct recently has Neji sealing the "Anilities" :rolleyes:

[SharinganHeir]

It's got little/nothing to do with translations. The word brother has multiple definitions and not all of them mean male sibling. For instance, Dictionary.com provides these definitions for brother:

4. a male numbered among the same kinship group, nationality, race, profession, etc., as another; an associate; a fellow member, fellow countryman, fellow man, etc.: a fraternity brother.
5. Ecclesiastical. a. (often initial capital letter) a male numbered among the lay members of a religious organization that has a priesthood.
b. a man who devotes himself to the duties of a religious order without taking holy orders, or while preparing for holy orders.
6. all members of a particular race, or of the human race in general: All men are brothers.
7. Slang. fellow; buddy: Brother, can you spare a dime?
8. Informal. a black man; soul brother.

Neji and Hinata are both Hyugas, so she refers to him as her brother. I'm pretty sure they explained this in the anime because Naruto gets confused when he hears Hinata call Neji her brother.

[Ishimaru Shun]

They are cousins. Why Hinata refers to Neji as her "big brother" is because: 1.) It's common in Japanese culture to refer to people as a family-oriented term as a sign of respect and 2.) Hinata looks up to (and probably considers) Neji as her older brother and holds great respect for him as such does Konohamaru looks up to Naruto.

[Kintaro]

It's got little/nothing to do with translations. The word brother has multiple definitions and not all of them mean male sibling. For instance, Dictionary.com provides these definitions for brother:

4. a male numbered among the same kinship group, nationality, race, profession, etc., as another; an associate; a fellow member, fellow countryman, fellow man, etc.: a fraternity brother.
5. Ecclesiastical. a. (often initial capital letter) a male numbered among the lay members of a religious organization that has a priesthood.
b. a man who devotes himself to the duties of a religious order without taking holy orders, or while preparing for holy orders.
6. all members of a particular race, or of the human race in general: All men are brothers.
7. Slang. fellow; buddy: Brother, can you spare a dime?
8. Informal. a black man; soul brother.

Neji and Hinata are both Hyugas, so she refers to him as her brother. I'm pretty sure they explained this in the anime because Naruto gets confused when he hears Hinata call Neji her brother.


Numbers 1 and 7 are the only one's that apply here, and that's exactly what we've been saying. ;)

When I said "translation issue", I explained what I meant....directly translated, clearly. Nii-San, -Chan, -Sama is simply translated as "Older Brother", and is simply a sign of respect, or, depending on the relationship and the honorific used, a sign of how close the two people know each other.

That card quote is a good example : I'm sure it's a "translation" issue, since she doen't LITTERALY mean "brother" - as in HER brother - but is just an honorific. Videogame translators are nefarious for this sort of thing...I'm applying it here as well.

Again, it's VERY WELL established in both the manga and the anime that they are cousins.

[Naruto_Fan_19]

Petaining to the branch thing. It was stated that, while they are twins, Hiashi came into the world first and he was deemed part of the main branch. Hizashi, who came second, was deemed side branch.

[hahonryuu]

Petaining to the branch thing. It was stated that, while they are twins, Hiashi came into the world first and he was deemed part of the main branch. Hizashi, who came second, was deemed side branch.

yeah we all know that. thats not the confusing part, the confusing part is...


hinata clearly came into the world first yet both her and hanabi are main branch

[SharinganHeir]

yeah we all know that. thats not the confusing part, the confusing part is...


hinata clearly came into the world first yet both her and hanabi are main branch

They've never said Hanabi is part of the main branch though. I always assumed that Hinata was a disapointment to her father and Hanabi was going to become the main branch in her place, until Hinata got better and reclaimed her status. That's why Hinata's new card has Main Branch and Hanabi's doesn't.

[Gaara_]

Okay, so Hiashi and Hizashi are brothers, they both have kids, Hinata and Neji. Doesn't that make them cousins or something? Sorry if I seem a little.... Slow.

[SharinganHeir]

Numbers 1 and 7 are the only one's that apply here, and that's exactly what we've been saying. ;)
Technically 4, 6, and 7 all apply and I didn't say that all of those definitions apply to this discussion. I was merely showing that "brother" doesn't always mean a male sibling.

When I said "translation issue", I explained what I meant....directly translated, clearly. Nii-San, -Chan, -Sama is simply translated as "Older Brother", and is simply a sign of respect, or, depending on the relationship and the honorific used, a sign of how close the two people know each other.

That card quote is a good example : I'm sure it's a "translation" issue, since she doen't LITTERALY mean "brother" - as in HER brother - but is just an honorific. Videogame translators are nefarious for this sort of thing...I'm applying it here as well.

Why are you calling it a translation issue? The only issue was Gaara_ not understanding that "brother" wasn't being used in the literal sense.

Okay, so Hiashi and Hizashi are brothers, they both have kids, Hinata and Neji. Doesn't that make them cousins or something? Sorry if I seem a little.... Slow.
That is exactly what we have been telling you. Hiashi has 2 daughters, Hinata and Hanabi, and Hizashi has 1 son, Neji. Hinata and Hanabi are sisters and Neji is their cousin.

Hinata wasn't using the word "brother" in the sense we normally use it in. In other words, she wasn't calling him her biological male sibling. See the alternate definitions of brother I posted a couples messages up.

[Gaara_]

Technically 4, 6, and 7 all apply and I didn't say that all of those definitions apply to this discussion. I was merely showing that "brother" doesn't always mean a male sibling.

Why are you calling it a translation issue? The only issue was Gaara_ not understanding that "brother" wasn't being used in the literal sense.

That is exactly what we have been telling you. Hiashi has 2 daughters, Hinata and Hanabi, and Hizashi has 1 son, Neji. Hinata and Hanabi are sisters and Neji is their cousin.

Hinata wasn't using the word "brother" in the sense we normally use it in. In other words, she wasn't calling him her biological male sibling. See the alternate definitions of brother I posted a couples messages up.

Ehh those were long and confusing so I skipped them. I'll just assume Neji and Hinata are cousins but Hinata is confused.

[Kintaro]

Technically 4, 6, and 7 all apply and I didn't say that all of those definitions apply to this discussion. I was merely showing that "brother" doesn't always mean a male sibling..

No they don't. Not for what we're talking about.
I understood perfectly well what YOU meant by posting them, but they DO NOT pertain to this issue....
Unless Hinata is bustin out the Ebonics, and then we're all in trouble ;)

Why are you calling it a translation issue? The only issue was Gaara_ not understanding that "brother" wasn't being used in the literal sense..
Which is EXACTLY what we've been saying! :rolleyes:
When I say translatin issue, I don't mean HOW THE WORD WAS LITERALLY TRANSLATED.....It's a translation issue for one simple fact : The translator CLEARLY didn't know how that honorific is used (Either in the game he referenced, or on that card). In OUR culture, the reference MAKES NO SENSE. If they had written "Bro" or some such, it would have been clearer...see?

Hinata wasn't using the word "brother" in the sense we normally use it in. In other words, she wasn't calling him her biological male sibling. See the alternate definitions of brother I posted a couples messages up.

Oh jesus....seriously?
Again, this is what we've been saying all along, and again, you post has two options that apply here - 1 and 7.

[hahonryuu]

does it even matter anymore?

even if it is for the wrong reasons, gaara_ accepts that they are cousins. topic answered, thread over

[SharinganHeir]

Kintaro, learn how to read. I posted 5 alternate definitions of the word brother, and I'm saying 3 of those 5 could apply to this situation (although #4 stands out above the rest, especially based on Hinata's character). There is no #1, and I didn't say #8 applied, so what was with the comment about Ebonics?

Ehh those were long and confusing so I skipped them. I'll just assume Neji and Hinata are cousins but Hinata is confused.
But she's not confused. You're the one who is confused. Why did you start a thread asking a question if you don't even want an answer that helps you understand?

does it even matter anymore?

even if it is for the wrong reasons, gaara_ accepts that they are cousins. topic answered, thread over
No, it never really mattered. Gaara_ asked a question, we tried to help, Kintaro shot me down, and I'm just trying to explain why I posted what I posted.

[Gaara_]

*eats popcorn in big comfy chair*

[Kintaro]

does it even matter anymore?

even if it is for the wrong reasons, gaara_ accepts that they are cousins. topic answered, thread over
Word. I have him on ignore. I can't even see what he wrote in his last post.....he's simply too stupid to bother with.
He sent me a nasty PM, to which I replied in kind. I could spend the rest of the afternoon explaining why all but TWO of the points on his "list (:rolleyes:)" are not relavent TO THIS CONVERSATION, or how a "translation error" doesn't necessarily mean "Directly translaTED wrong", but I doubt he'd understand at all.

He's just torqued cos he knows jack n $hit, and Jack left town.

What's really funny is likely, right now, he's furiously typing some sort of nasty response to my PM....HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

And what do you mean, wrong reasons?!?

*eats popcorn in big comfy chair*

I know....I know....
But hey, I could say the same about some of your other threads :D

But yeah, this thread has run it's course.....I hoped it actually helped you out, GAARA_.

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[VermilionOne]

Final bit'o'knowledge from V1

If you're talking about the Japanese language, it's wiser not to argue with someone who speaks it when you obviously don't.