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texans07
12-25-2008, 07:06 AM
To all Naruto CCG Players!
We here at Bandai wish you and yours a very Merry Christmas, as you many of you are unwrapping your presents this morning we a pleased to present the first of many Series 12 "A New Chronicle" previews.
Todays card is brought to you by the winner of the 2008 Sannin tournament: Jerry Balentuangin!
Set 12's fantastic cards support will push decks like Hyuga, Puppet, Ninja Dog, Akatsuki, Female, & mono-Earth to new heights as well as boosting established deck types like Fire, Water, Shukaku, Ninja Toad, and much more.
Please see the following link for today's card: http://www.bandaicg.com/naruto/showthread.php?p=800170#post800170
Discuss & enjoy!
P.S: A better quality image (for text) can be found below.
Saitsuofleaves
12-25-2008, 07:07 AM
To all Naruto CCG Players!
We here at Bandai wish you and yours a very Merry Christmas, as you many of you are unwrapping your presents this morning we a pleased to present the first of many Series 12 "A New Chronicle" previews.
Todays card is brought to you by the winner of the 2008 Sannin tournament: Jerry Balentuangin!
Set 12's fantastic cards support will push decks like Hyuga, Puppet, Ninja Dog, Akatsuki, Female, & mono-Earth to new heights as well as boosting established deck types like Fire, Water, Shukaku, Ninja Toad, and much more.
Please see the following link for today's card: http://www.bandaicg.com/naruto/showthread.php?p=800170#post800170
Discuss & enjoy!
P.S: A better quality image (for text) can be found below.
Finally!! A great tutor card! Now Zetsu is definitely coming to play. The only thing that would be funny is a Stay out of this, you lose. Thanks Andy!
Genre
12-25-2008, 07:23 AM
This card is absolutely ridiculous.
<jerry> "Yeah, I want to make this card with the exact text (as shown)."
<texans> "Uhh, we need to change that card, it's way too good.. staple-ish."
<jerry> "Oh, it's too broke, or...?"
<texans> "Let's add an Earth symbol to it and we're done. No need to playtest it."
This card is staple status. I'd say definitely 2-3 in every Earth-type deck and 1-3 in a fire deck. GREAT card, Jerry.
Saitsuofleaves
12-25-2008, 07:24 AM
This card is absolutely ridiculous.
<jerry> "Yeah, I want to make this card with the exact text (as shown)."
<texans> "Uhh, we need to change that card, it's way too good.. staple-ish."
<jerry> "Oh, it's too broke, or...?"
<texans> "Let's add an Earth symbol to it and we're done. No need to playtest it."
This card is staple status. I'd say definitely 2-3 in every Earth-type deck and 1-3 in a fire deck. GREAT card, Jerry.
Yeah, but now my Stay Out of This will get a lot of use.
Genre
12-25-2008, 07:27 AM
Yeah, but now my Stay Out of This will get a lot of use.
No one is going to run that to counter this card. In essence, this card is basically "balanced"... unfortunately you cannot search out platoons with this card because you don't "put into play" platoons, you "platoon" them into play.
This card is amazing, but not as good as Just like Drifting Clouds.
itachiforpresident6
12-25-2008, 07:27 AM
its amazingly crazy
Saitsuofleaves
12-25-2008, 07:32 AM
No one is going to run that to counter this card. In essence, this card is basically "balanced"... unfortunately you cannot search out platoons with this card because you don't "put into play" platoons, you "platoon" them into play.
This card is amazing, but not as good as Just like Drifting Clouds.
Isn't that a good thing? Fire won't run this as much as Earth because its mission line-up is pretty set. It's not broken, because for the late game ninjas, you're basically playing 4 cards to play him. I want to see how this goes though, so who knows?
texans07
12-25-2008, 07:33 AM
This card is absolutely ridiculous.
<jerry> "Yeah, I want to make this card with the exact text (as shown)."
<texans> "Uhh, we need to change that card, it's way too good.. staple-ish."
<jerry> "Oh, it's too broke, or...?"
<texans> "Let's add an Earth symbol to it and we're done. No need to playtest it."
This card is staple status. I'd say definitely 2-3 in every Earth-type deck and 1-3 in a fire deck. GREAT card, Jerry.
That's not how it works...:rolleyes:
But your welcome on the preview, always a pleasure :). The next one will be on New Years Day, around midnight of the day before...:D
Darth_Sideous
12-25-2008, 07:38 AM
Cool preview overall. :)
texans07
12-25-2008, 07:38 AM
No one is going to run that to counter this card. In essence, this card is basically "balanced"... unfortunately you cannot search out platoons with this card because you don't "put into play" platoons, you "platoon" them into play.
This card is amazing, but not as good as Just like Drifting Clouds.
Platooning into play is considered "putting into play," hence the fact that some Platoons have "put into play" effect (if platooning wasn't put into play then these cards would have no effect basically); so yes you can grab platoons if you so chose to with this card. Example: http://www.bandaicg.com/naruto/cardlists_detail.php?s=8&c=n306
Saitsuofleaves
12-25-2008, 07:42 AM
Like Fire needed another great card...
Like Fire will use this card a lot.
Gaara_
12-25-2008, 07:46 AM
Like Fire needed another great card...
dawn_bringer
12-25-2008, 07:55 AM
Thanks for the preview!
Great card definetly something that earth needed but i dont think fire needed it.
Saitsuofleaves
12-25-2008, 07:59 AM
Why it's /Fire is beyond me, but hey, whatever.
I love the effect but I hate that all the elements don't have a card like it.
Or do they...
Either way, great card Jerry! (I bet I'm the only one who noticed that)
Considering Genre already mentioned him, no.
DNaraku
12-25-2008, 07:59 AM
Why it's /Fire is beyond me, but hey, whatever.
I love the effect but I hate that all the elements don't have a card like it.
Or do they...
Either way, great card Jerry! (I bet I'm the only one who noticed that)
ShariganEyedJack
12-25-2008, 08:04 AM
I'm glad for earth. Earth is finally starting to come together a bit more.
texans07
12-25-2008, 08:08 AM
I'm sure Jerry can elaborate more on it but the image does depicts Asuma (Earth) & Kakashi (Fire) as they currently are in the Naruto CCG, and being as Jerry is from the Leaf Village that may have something to do with it. :p
And as much as everyone thinks Fire or Water will still be dominating next Set, I would reconsider...
Saitsuofleaves
12-25-2008, 08:08 AM
I'm sure Jerry can elaborate more on it but the image does depicts Asuma (Earth) & Kakashi (Fire) as they currently are in the Naruto CCG, and being as Jerry is from the Leaf Village that may have something to do with it. :p
And as much as everyone thinks Fire or Water will still be dominating next Set, I would reconsider...
Andy, don't say you're calling for Earth as king next set. Just say Lightning and we will be relieved.
dawn_bringer
12-25-2008, 08:15 AM
Maybe this card is fire because fire might not be getting any other good cards this set? Or fire just needed another tutor?
texans07
12-25-2008, 08:29 AM
Lightning, Wind, & Earth are amazing next Set; if I had to pick a deck that was both competative and powerful at the same time then it would go to Wind, for control it would have to go to Earth, and for shear beatdownownageness Lightning is the way to go.
Fire & Water get great new cards but by no means is this a Fire/ Water heavy set like the last two Sets were.
This Website, the Naruto CCG Podcast, and pojo.com will have amazing previews starting mid-January, you'll see what I mean then.
DNaraku
12-25-2008, 08:30 AM
I'm sure Jerry can elaborate more on it but the image does depicts Asuma (Earth) & Kakashi (Fire) as they currently are in the Naruto CCG, and being as Jerry is from the Leaf Village that may have something to do with it. :p
And as much as everyone thinks Fire or Water will still be dominating next Set, I would reconsider...
Oh, I know.
Puppets are win, it's just that I feel it would have received a greater benefit if it were Earth/Lightning or Earth/Wind.
blackberrysteve
12-25-2008, 08:44 AM
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Simply Amazing
Zero Master Of Percision
12-25-2008, 09:08 AM
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I thought we were going to work out having this card as a podcast preview so we could have jerry on to preview it himself disscuss it :(
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Kisame_Hoshigaki
12-25-2008, 10:04 AM
This card is great for earth and I can't wait to use it for my earth deck.
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I thought we were going to work out having this card as a podcast preview so we could have jerry on to preview it himself disscuss it :(
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awwwww...
But still, great card. I don't think that 'Stay out of This' will work because you basically put that ninja in play.
Gaara_
12-25-2008, 10:40 AM
This Website, the Naruto CCG Podcast, and pojo.com will have amazing previews starting mid-January, you'll see what I mean then.
Wait- Pojo.com's going to get previews!? Sweet! I'm a COTD dude for the Naruto section!!!
hakusecond007
12-25-2008, 10:54 AM
any one think of IP or puppets earth wind baby :D im goig to get my hands on earth stuff while no buddy thinks its worth playing :D
matthewlow
12-25-2008, 10:59 AM
I was like O_o they previewed Jerry's card. Though to be honest, I honestly thought another card was his until I ran into the very last card and saw his name on the top.
There's no real good reason not to run this in Earth/Fire.
It's ok Zero, just have me discuss my favorite cards in the podcast and you'll be just right :).
shadowclone22
12-25-2008, 02:39 PM
great card for earth. it will deffinantly go in my soon-to-be-built wind/earth puppet deck
Kakashi_Hatake777
12-25-2008, 04:13 PM
Of course its Fire. Jerry, awsome card, but did it have to be fire? Although I supposed you made so that dog decks could get Kakashi AD consistenly. Still, I would have liked for it to be Earth only. If you want the ultimate tutor, you have to play Earth. Awsomeness. Still very very nice card. Except for the Fire thing... :p
animefanatic
12-25-2008, 04:38 PM
This card is Ninth Match times a billion. Wish it wasn't fire though.
Gin Ichimaru
12-25-2008, 06:34 PM
Thanks Plex. I've been dying to make a good puppet deck. Now I can go back to my second hobby... being a puppet master. Forget those fire hataz.
Fire doesn't need to use it.
Plexistar
12-25-2008, 06:35 PM
To those that are wondering about my card I'll give some reason as to why I created the card. First off, everything about the card was what I wanted. There was no debate with bandai about the elements, effect, the card. Everything is the way it is because I wanted it like that. Secondly, the effect is kinda off a little bit. I'm contacting yuya to discuss this.
Alright, so about the elements I chose and why. I knew earth was given the shaft and so I wanted to give it a good card. I have and do play other card games so I know that tutors are cards that help with consistency which is the main thing in tournaments. Also, it allows people to play theme decks more competitively. Haido anyone?
Fire. While thinking about my deck and how to improve it, the main flaw was being able to get my kakashi when I needed him. So that led me to make the card fire/earth. I did try to make the card all elements because I wanted every element to have it, but they told me to limit it to two. Another reason is that I won with fire and I'm from the leaf village..... Gotta represent lol!
Why I didn't choose different elements. At the time I created the card which was the first week of September, I didn't know about the upcoming changes to the game. I didn't want Wind having a way to search out Gaara IP. I didn't want to give lightning another tutor nor give them more ways to control the early game. I didn't chose water because I believe if water has a solid early game then it would be dominant, especially with the jutsu furious current.... What a nasty card....
And so after all my thoughts, this is what came from them. I wanted to create a card that will be widely used just like JLDC. I hope the majority of people can understand why it was created (I know fire already has a lot of things sorry) and I look forward to the different theme decks that it could support. Peace
Keniko
12-25-2008, 06:46 PM
Its is a little different from what I was told awhile ago. I remember when I was first told about it and I thought it was absolutely nuts. I heard it was just fire but adding earth takes it to a different level.
Great card Jerry and I'll see you and Marung at the next set of chunins/jonins. SoCal represent!
Ryu Juini
12-25-2008, 07:27 PM
Seriously. Fire *Ignoring Earth* ? Why is it a Fire Card AGAIN? I know it's the Sannin's choice on what the card is, but swap that stupid symbol out. Fire's got the best draw in the game as it is. It doesn't need a personalized search card to get out one of it's X Broken Ninjas easier.
Make it Mono Earth, at best. Tacking another element onto that card is blitzin' retarded. ESPECIALLY not Fire. Or Lightning. I don't want the OC Ninjas getting another easy-ticket into being put into play, which is exactly that that card does for Sasuke. Or gets Itachi out. Or Mom. Or Dad. Or the Third.
Seriously. Why the Fire symbol? Why? The Sannin's are blitzin' morons.
PS: Ban me for trolling again, Bandai. It doesn't make that statement any less true.
jasenjr
12-25-2008, 07:31 PM
I know fair and well fire didnt need it but honestly, i dont care. Every element has something now that is turn 1 or 2 that is good for the element.
Jerry, you made a great card, and i love that its earth, AND now haido can see wonderful play.
Same thing with double headed wolf now that you cant use kibas effect while he in injured. This will make fire and Earth decks consistent, and even a great Dual element deck.
Saitsuofleaves
12-25-2008, 07:36 PM
I know fair and well fire didnt need it but honestly, i dont care. Every element has something now that is turn 1 or 2 that is good for the element.
Jerry, you made a great card, and i love that its earth, AND now haido can see wonderful play.
Same thing with double headed wolf now that you cant use kibas effect while he in injured. This will make fire and Earth decks consistent, and even a great Dual element deck.
Of course this goes back to Haido. Man, I never knew there was such animosity and love with him.
jasenjr
12-25-2008, 07:40 PM
Of course this goes back to Haido. Man, I never knew there was such animosity and love with him.
Hes a good card, but I personally wouldnt play him outside of something that splashed earth, i would honestly want to use that effect to heal him if needed.
But, it even helps if they make a good turn 2 shikamaru.
Or for the fanboys, a good turn 2 Hinata. Who knows what the possibilities are because of this card. Unplayable cards are better and themes of earth orientation are better.
Saitsuofleaves
12-25-2008, 07:44 PM
Hes a good card, but I personally wouldnt play him outside of something that splashed earth, i would honestly want to use that effect to heal him if needed.
But, it even helps if they make a good turn 2 shikamaru.
Or for the fanboys, a good turn 2 Hinata. Who knows what the possibilities are because of this card. Unplayable cards are better and themes of earth orientation are better.
Hey, you got a problem with Shika Thinking Mode?
Ryu Juini
12-25-2008, 07:48 PM
Fire didn't need another early-game mission. Especially not one as monstrous as this one is. It was a poorly thought out card. It MIGHT have been designed when the meta wasn't entirely Fire and Lightning dominant, but boy did it not help in that regard =/
jasenjr
12-25-2008, 07:51 PM
Hey, you got a problem with Shika Thinking Mode?
No i love thinking mode. I got 3 <> foil when it first came out. But with cards like shika flex and form, i dont have a reason to play him.
Fire didn't need another early-game mission. Especially not one as monstrous as this one is. It was a poorly thought out card. It MIGHT have been designed when the meta wasn't entirely Fire and Lightning dominant, but boy did it not help in that regard =/
And while your right, fire didnt need one, but it got it anyway. So we just deal with it and find out what every other element got this set. Who knows, we may see a bunch of single element tutors.
garrangel
12-25-2008, 07:57 PM
Fire didn't need another early-game mission. Especially not one as monstrous as this one is. It was a poorly thought out card. It MIGHT have been designed when the meta wasn't entirely Fire and Lightning dominant, but boy did it not help in that regard =/
We haven't seen the rest of the set, so you don't know if Fire and Lightning are going to be to be dominant. I think all 5 elements will be able to go mono after it comes out.
HebitsuKai
12-25-2008, 08:03 PM
Awesome freaking card, and as most others have stated before me, I love the fact that its earth. Awesome card dude.
Plexistar
12-25-2008, 11:27 PM
Seriously. Why the Fire symbol? Why? The Sannin's are blitzin' morons.
I should bash on you for this comment, but I am in a good mood. Although I will tell you to watch what you type.
Fire didn't need another early-game mission. Especially not one as monstrous as this one is. It was a poorly thought out card. It MIGHT have been designed when the meta wasn't entirely Fire and Lightning dominant, but boy did it not help in that regard =/
Why I didn't choose different elements. At the time I created the card which was the first week of September, I didn't know about the upcoming changes to the game. I didn't want Wind having a way to search out Gaara IP. I didn't want to give lightning another tutor nor give them more ways to control the early game. I didn't chose water because I believe if water has a solid early game then it would be dominant, especially with the jutsu furious current.... What a nasty card....
Now are you questioning my character? I clearly stated that I made this card in September. It WAS designed when 9k was the meta. If I decided to make the card earth/wind and there was no changes, the meta would have possibly become 9k again. If I had known the future of course I would have tried to create a different card. I actually did try to bring up another idea once I saw the OC ninjas and once AW came out, but it was kinda late.
I enjoy playing this game and am not trying to kill this game in any way. I thought about MANY scenarios, but I don't control what bandai does. If you don't like the card, simply oh well, but I'm sure many others appreciate it.
Sharingun Eye
12-26-2008, 12:07 AM
Man just stop with all the bashing it serves no purpose at all. Like Jerry said this card was made in September way before the current meta so he had no chance of knowing what the current meta would be like in September.
Also most people knew he would design a card to help his deck type out just like Joe created Drifting to help fire when it was at its lowest point.
I personally like the card and will give earth decks a boost. Sure fire got the card too but we don't know what set 12 will bring and for all we know it could be the set that changes the meta to where earth can have a shot a tier in mono form and we could a lot of cool deck ideas but we will just have to wait and see.
Don't sweat the haters Jerry and like you said you tried to change the card when you found out about the changes to the game and the new cards came out so it is not like you did not try fix the card.
N. Jolly
12-26-2008, 05:10 PM
Jerry, was it? Sorry, I'm not sure of things like that...
This is a great card, and I can certainly want you having your card see play...who wants to be the Sannin who makes another garbage ninja?...hell, you could probably just ask an R&D guy to do that...
Sannin:Hey, can you make another T1 Water ninja with no purpose...maybe another Zaku that's vanilla or something?
R&D: Sure, not like anyone will play it...just another card in the set...hey, check out this SR Hinata I'm making, it's awesome!
I myself love this card a lot, and plan on running it...this card is the sole reason I've decided to rebuild my fire earth deck (My pottery deck!), and really opens up a lot of fun deck decks for me, especially being able to pull Ino/Inoichi when I need it (of course under the consideration that the OCs get changed). This is a great card, and a fun one at that. You like fire, just like the last Sannin, so build a card for it. If others don't like it, tell them to meet you at Gencon next year...just like I plan on doing...
Really, it's up to you to build the card that you want and ignore the meta. You won, it's your right. Let Bandai worry about how it affects the game, it's their job. Yours is to make the card that you want to see in the game.
A great card that I'm looking forward to running.
Ryu Juini
12-26-2008, 05:13 PM
I avoid joining the bandwagon of Jerry lovers. But I also don't agree with the Jerry haters. I'm not saying you're a good or bad player. You're the Sannin winner. People say you deserved it, many say you just luck-sacked over and over. Both arguments have their flaws. Whatever floats their boats, I guess.
I do understand that, even if your card was designed a few months ago when Fire wasn't the meta? It doesn't take much effort, at all, to re-design a card when the set isn't out yet.
I do understand that you designed your card for the sole intention of your own desires and needs, and not really based on what the game need, or needed, at the time. But hey, I'm not going to say the majority of people here wouldn't try to design something for themselves.
Fact of the matter? Wasn't a card Fire needed. Never was, never will be. Even in the 9k Format, Fire was the element that trounced it. SHOULD it have? Going by logic, no. DID it? Sure did. The argument that it was designed during a format that Fire wasn't dominating, with that logic in mind, is invalid.
Anyway, Jerry, I'm not going to watch my tone for you, as you should have been prepared to eat flame after flame for designing an insanely good card for the Fire Element. You won the Sannin, congratulations. That doesn't make you a better player then anyone else here, because that was an old format. Thus why I NEVER praise a player in a CCG/TCG, because the format constantly changes. You proved you could play ( Or some argue you just had god luck in your match ups ) last format, and now you have to start from square one like everyone else.
So, it may have been too late to change the card, but oh well. I'll have to resist the urges to just run Fire now due to it. But I like that it's also Earth! That's the best part of it >.>
But yeah. Sorry for flipping out on you, but the last thing anyone wanted to see was another Fire mission.
DNaraku
12-26-2008, 05:29 PM
I do understand that, even if your card was designed a few months ago when Fire wasn't the meta? It doesn't take much effort, at all, to re-design a card when the set isn't out yet.
The set isn't out, but that doesn't mean that the set itself hasn't been finalized or that printing hasn't begun.
matthewlow
12-26-2008, 05:44 PM
Changing a card when cards have to be approved by licensors in Japan is next to impossible when it comes up close to release date. It takes time for this to happen. Remember, Naruto is licensed from Japan, so Japanese licensors get the yay/nay on cards and if the card becomes one or not. I'd beg to say that at this point in time, it will be unlikely anything can be changed.
This is coming from my knowledge from getting spoilers ahead of time for Scrye, and how sometimes obtaining such spoilers gets delayed because of licensor approval for a last minute change to a card. Lots of cards in Bleach and Inuyasha were changed due to a stipulation by the licensor, and I'd be willing to bet the Naruto licensor is the same.
Typically the card text is what licensors could care less about (because they have no idea what means), but other key things like giving a character a rank would need to follow the show at wherever the image is taken.
Ryu Juini
12-26-2008, 06:43 PM
Because the US-Exclusive cards have a lot to do with the Japanese Shippuden game!
Yeah yeah.
DNaraku
12-26-2008, 07:27 PM
Because the US-Exclusive cards have a lot to do with the Japanese Shippuden game!
Yeah yeah.
You have no idea how Bandai, much less card games work, do you?
toushin1101
12-26-2008, 08:13 PM
Yeah, but now my Stay Out of This will get a lot of use.
hahahaha,lmfao i couldnt agree wit that more
matthewlow
12-26-2008, 10:01 PM
You have no idea how Bandai, much less card games work, do you?
He apparently doesn't have a clue at all.
Any card, whether it is US Exclusive or a Japanese translation, makes no difference. Cards need approval. That's just the way it is. There can't be a Ninja card with Naruto as the picture but bearing the name of Sasuke Uchiha. Or a Ninja with Naruto on it but having "Jonin". Just not happening. Now the level of restriction depends on the licensors themselves, so I'm not certain what they are picky on and what they aren't. Just know that there shouldn't be anything that contradicts the anime.
Though some errors in the DB card game lead me to believe that the licensors may not check characteristics very closely, or only pay attention to certain things. I would, however, believe that they can tell if there's something wrong with a Naruto card with Sasuke as the name.
So because of this, any change on a card means approval. Sure you can change what you want and try to bypass this step, but that's probably not a good idea. You have to remember who is ultimately in control of the game. Jerry couldn't make a Naruto with Sasuke as the name even if he wanted to.
Oh, and before I forget, licensors != Japanese Shippuden game. Licensors = company that owns Naruto. Big difference there.
!= means not equals, for those programming language challenged.
Naruto is not like Magic where the game is owned and run in-house. Naruto is controlled by the Japanese licensors. They can't just make stuff and go with it without it being OKed.
Ryu Juini
12-26-2008, 10:37 PM
You chose to ignore the "Yeah yeah" at the end, didn't you? It was to indicate sarcasm. I'm well aware how licensing works, thanks. It's the reason why we don't have as many Super Robot Wars games as I'd like.
So yes, I'm aware the card-art in general needs a clarification, and such nonsense. What doesn't NEED an a-okay is card effects and shenanigans involving it. That's why Playtesters exist, that's their job. If your logic applied in that regard, Itachi Uchiha [Goal]'s effect would make sense to the character.
Anyway I'm going to go punch DNaraku's nuts in on Pojo for defying my authority! Hint: I'm joking.
DNaraku
12-26-2008, 10:48 PM
Anyway I'm going to go punch DNaraku's nuts in on Pojo for defying my authority! Hint: I'm joking.
Good thing I don't go there anymore, eh?
Poo Toucher
12-26-2008, 11:53 PM
You chose to ignore the "Yeah yeah" at the end, didn't you? It was to indicate sarcasm. I'm well aware how licensing works, thanks. It's the reason why we don't have as many Super Robot Wars games as I'd like.
So yes, I'm aware the card-art in general needs a clarification, and such nonsense. What doesn't NEED an a-okay is card effects and shenanigans involving it. That's why Playtesters exist, that's their job. If your logic applied in that regard, Itachi Uchiha [Goal]'s effect would make sense to the character.
Anyway I'm going to go punch DNaraku's nuts in on Pojo for defying my authority! Hint: I'm joking.
I feel like every time I read your post, on the other end of the computer is Randal from clerks:(
Sharingun Eye
12-26-2008, 11:57 PM
Because the US-Exclusive cards have a lot to do with the Japanese Shippuden game!
Yeah yeah.
Of course they do. Just because they are US exclusive does not mean Bandai can do what they please with cards and print anything they wish because the images themselves and the license come from Japan and approval of all card art and design must be done before a card is printed.
If you think being US exclusive gives them the right to design a Naruto cards without any restraint on design and do so without approval from the company they obtained the license from you are wrong.
If you forgot Bandai does not own Naruto it just has the license to print the cards for the card game and the other Naruto products you see in the states so they have to follow the rules of whomever holds the rights to Naruto or they could lose the license to this game.
Plexistar
12-27-2008, 04:22 AM
I avoid joining the bandwagon of Jerry lovers. But I also don't agree with the Jerry haters. I'm not saying you're a good or bad player. You're the Sannin winner. People say you deserved it, many say you just luck-sacked over and over. Both arguments have their flaws. Whatever floats their boats, I guess.
I do understand that you designed your card for the sole intention of your own desires and needs, and not really based on what the game need, or needed, at the time. But hey, I'm not going to say the majority of people here wouldn't try to design something for themselves.
Fact of the matter? Wasn't a card Fire needed. Never was, never will be. Even in the 9k Format, Fire was the element that trounced it. SHOULD it have? Going by logic, no. DID it? Sure did. The argument that it was designed during a format that Fire wasn't dominating, with that logic in mind, is invalid.
Anyway, Jerry, I'm not going to watch my tone for you, as you should have been prepared to eat flame after flame for designing an insanely good card for the Fire Element. You won the Sannin, congratulations. That doesn't make you a better player then anyone else here, because that was an old format. Thus why I NEVER praise a player in a CCG/TCG, because the format constantly changes. You proved you could play ( Or some argue you just had god luck in your match ups ) last format, and now you have to start from square one like everyone else.
But yeah. Sorry for flipping out on you, but the last thing anyone wanted to see was another Fire mission.
Heh, regardless of how you feel about me what you should do is respect me. Not only me, but others in general. You called the Sannin winners morons due to the fact that you have a problem with the fire element. Well guess what, with the release of new sets eventually every elements gets something and the meta always changes. If I had made a card that supported an element that you liked would you have complained? Probably not.
Anyways, every set brings a different meta due to peoples creativity. Sure my card supports fire, but that doesn't mean that fire will stay top tier. Fact is, at some point, every element needs a boost. Fire and Earth just happened to get one from me.
As far as me being a better player than others on this site, of course I am. I may not be the best, but it's obv that I'm better than others regardless of the format. I just play my cards better than others and the same goes for others that have proven themselves through competition.
Did I deserve to win the Sannins? Hell yes. I created and played a great deck. There were two times when I topped deck, but for anyone to win a competition, luck is part of it. My deck did give me a great chance to win through being consistent. For anyone to think that I just won due to "god luck" then they must not have been there to see my overall game play or they're just hating on me.
Anyways, if you wish to flame me for my card, then do as you please. But if you do, then I hope to not to see you using it.
Chidorimaster1993
12-27-2008, 06:41 AM
Why wouldn't you run at least 2x of this in any Fire or Earth deck? Chakra Generation+Search for ANY ninja is amazing, and the fact it's dual-elements makes it better. I don't think this card "had" to be made, but it's amazing and will help out Earth in the long-run (like Wind/Earth puppets you can fetch out that Sasori and etc.).
I REALLY wanted that blind ninja dog or something of the sort (maybe the pack of dogs?). It said Ninja Dogs will be getting a boost, so can't wait for that. At least we might see a T2 dog with good support/decent effect, so we can use the T1 Pakkun for the fact it's T1 and has some support and we don't have to worry about squeezing in Akamaru's.
DNaraku
12-27-2008, 07:44 AM
Anyways, every set brings a different meta due to peoples creativity. Sure my card supports fire, but that doesn't mean that fire will stay top tier. Fact is, at some point, every element needs a boost. Fire and Earth just happened to get one from me.
I'm just a little curious why it had to be /Fire, when Fire already had things like Shadow in the Moonlight, Tsunade's Guess, Surprise, and Drifting at the time which I consider a pretty fair amount of cards that can already draw or tutor out pretty much any card Fire needs.
I can understand not wanting to make it /Wind at the time due to 9k being the widely played deck at that time, and one that many considered broken, but that doesn't mean you couldn't have used it or Lightning as both of them could have used this card a lot better than Fire. I would have been fine had the card just been Earth with perhaps the image of Asuma coming to save Shikamaru's *** during the Chunin Exams.
Poo Toucher
12-27-2008, 08:27 AM
I'm just a little curious why it had to be /Fire, when Fire already had things like Shadow in the Moonlight, Tsunade's Guess, Surprise, and Drifting at the time which I consider a pretty fair amount of cards that can already draw or tutor out pretty much any card Fire needs.
I can understand not wanting to make it /Wind at the time due to 9k being the widely played deck at that time, and one that many considered broken, but that doesn't mean you couldn't have used it or Lightning as both of them could have used this card a lot better than Fire. I would have been fine had the card just been Earth with perhaps the image of Asuma coming to save Shikamaru's *** during the Chunin Exams.
so he's already stated he wanted all colors, and fire WAS the best option, that may be blunt but it is so true.
Wind-I would rather gaara not be the most consistent deck for at least one more format, giving it a tutor would make it far better than the OC decks because gaara searches out the most insane jutsu (let's not forget he has sand levi and his own version of pump) along with the best draw in the game and the best mental, thanks jerry for not choosing wind!
lightning-Do we really want naruto to have a reason not to play fv? add to that now jiraiya has a tutor? no thank you, I want lightning to choose between consistency and ridiculous recursion. Thanks jerry for not making it lightning!
water-I for one, do not want to see the element with all the best tutors to get another one, so that it has insane tutor for every turn (WoWT is nuts right now) and water needs to keep early game as a weak point or it will become meta so darn fast. Thanks jerry for not making it water!
I like it replacing tsunade's guess in fire, because of this card people will try dogs again because they can hit kakashi AD most every game on 4, and that's a big reason why I play OC right now. And in case you guys chose not to notice he gave it to the element most lacking in i dunno.....EVERYTHING. Thanks jerry, it's a really solid card and I, for one liked it.
Genre
12-27-2008, 08:28 AM
I'm just a little curious why it had to be /Fire, when Fire already had things like Shadow in the Moonlight, Tsunade's Guess, Surprise, and Drifting at the time which I consider a pretty fair amount of cards that can already draw or tutor out pretty much any card Fire needs.
So true. So true.
I wouldn't get too fooled by the Fire symbol here, as fire doesn't even really need to run this card to hit its curve. This card was meant to help Earth out, regardless of the fire symbol on it. I am still questioning whether or not I'll even run 1 in my fire deck. However, in my Earth/Wind mental I will run 3 as it will allow me to hit my curve and compete with tier decks. In synergy with cards like Sasori and Deidara (who are destined to be great), I believe Earth and Wind will be able to stand toe-to-toe with monofire and the top tier decks like that..
water-I for one, do not want to see the element with all the best tutors to get another one, so that it has insane tutor for every turn (WoWT is nuts right now) and water needs to keep early game as a weak point or it will become meta so darn fast. Thanks jerry for not making it water!
What? Water has some of the worst tutors and worst draw power in the game. Second worst to Earth, to be exact. What is WoWT? Water has some powerhouse jutsu and powerhouse late game ninja, but terrible draw power. Appearance is its only good (consistent) draw, and that's not saying much. Water needs a decent draw card with an early turn (like Clouds or Reinforcements) to really be a feared deck type.
krenn
12-27-2008, 09:18 AM
So true. So true.
I wouldn't get too fooled by the Fire symbol here, as fire doesn't even really need to run this card to hit its curve. This card was meant to help Earth out, regardless of the fire symbol on it. I am still questioning whether or not I'll even run 1 in my fire deck. However, in my Earth/Wind mental I will run 3 as it will allow me to hit my curve and compete with tier decks. In synergy with cards like Sasori and Deidara (who are destined to be great), I believe Earth and Wind will be able to stand toe-to-toe with monofire and the top tier decks like that..
What? Water has some of the worst tutors and worst draw power in the game. Second worst to Earth, to be exact. What is WoWT? Water has some powerhouse jutsu and powerhouse late game ninja, but terrible draw power. Appearance is its only good (consistent) draw, and that's not saying much. Water needs a decent draw card with an early turn (like Clouds or Reinforcements) to really be a feared deck type.
WoWT = Walking on Water Training.
DNaraku
12-27-2008, 09:26 AM
So true. So true.
I wouldn't get too fooled by the Fire symbol here, as fire doesn't even really need to run this card to hit its curve. This card was meant to help Earth out, regardless of the fire symbol on it.
That's why this card easily could have been Earth only.
The Fire symbol was honestly completely unnecessary.
matthewlow
12-27-2008, 10:21 AM
Unnecessary yes. But as mentioned, Fire already has a ton of cards to search out stuff, so this is just added to the pile. It's a small boost to Fire, but a huge boost to Earth. Dual element can help if you randomly have a Fire in hand but no Earth, and it moves the playability up of a card. Who doesn't want their card played?
My logic works if you actually read what I wrote. So go back and read it before you respond with something that doesn't make sense. Licensors don't know what card effects do, let alone how to play the card game. They're just checking for continuity errors like titles of cards matching the images, and even if you tried to explain what the card does, it probably still wouldn't make sense to them, let alone care about it. It's up to the designer of the game here to make the cards match the characters, else players may be fed up. Hence what bothers me about the Dragon Ball CCG; characters not matching the anime, notably their strength.
Dark Days
12-27-2008, 12:14 PM
I'm sure Jerry can elaborate more on it but the image does depicts Asuma (Earth) & Kakashi (Fire) as they currently are in the Naruto CCG, and being as Jerry is from the Leaf Village that may have something to do with it. :p
Oh, so thats why JLDC is Fire
Poo Toucher
12-28-2008, 01:31 AM
What? Water has some of the worst tutors and worst draw power in the game. Second worst to Earth, to be exact. What is WoWT? Water has some powerhouse jutsu and powerhouse late game ninja, but terrible draw power. Appearance is its only good (consistent) draw, and that's not saying much. Water needs a decent draw card with an early turn (like Clouds or Reinforcements) to really be a feared deck type.
V_V
the fact that you didn't know what WoWT was (proly the best old bad card eva) makes me hesitate to get into this, but whatevs.
for mono-water I have the following tutors:
Karashi- search out my opening turn 0 ranmaru on turn 0 with no hand cost and I net chakra. OR, I search out a beastly turn 5 (turn 4 in most cases) 5/2 (7/4 in most cases) that eats chakra and has jonin, yea that's totally not a tutor and certainly not one of the top 3 before LAR:p
Abandonment-Search out either my turn 3, who protects my ninjas from jutsu cards before I send them out to play while being a well stated 4/3 a turn before I can play it. OR, search out my turn 5 that has jonin and get's a bonus just for being in the same team as my turn 3. Not the best tutor eva but fixes my curve and that's what a tutor is suppose to do.
Walking on Water Training- for 1 chakra, search out any ninja in my deck that is above turn 3 (in my water, they all have ambush) and put it into my chakra, setting up my curve and making the opponent wish he had chakra removal. With the introduction of ambush, this card has become a very solid card that bends the rules of a tutor, and I wouldn't finish my water deck without 2-3 copies of this in my deck.
so there's three tutors that have been relevant for the last two sets, there are about another 2-3 that I'd just rather not discuss because I'm beginning to wonder if you know the difference between that and draw.
You're absolutely right, water has bad draw, but it makes up for that in tutors to not only fix any problems you might run into with curve, but even one or two that tutor jutsu.
animefanatic
12-28-2008, 01:44 AM
Poo Toucher, WoWT isn't a good card. I don't see how it would set up your curve unless your running the sound 4 ninjas or Haku since they have ambush. This isn't too ridiculous considering Haku and Tayuya do have decent stats but there are other ninjas I'd much rather run. I don't know if there are any turn 4 ambush water ninjas so it seems like WoWT really helps your curve come turn 5.
Also, not many people would sacrifice one of their jutsu slots for this card. I'd rather run a jutsu that could alter the battlefield in my favor rather than this card.
Lee_head
12-28-2008, 04:13 AM
I don't know you but congats jerry on winning sanin. To anyone bashing his card, it's simple he made the card he wanted. If you don't like it then win next year and make your own. I know there is no person out there that if they won the sanin wouldn't make a card to help their fav deck type out. Yeah, I woudn't have given it a fire symbol but I didn't win so I have no reason to grip. Either way, I will say thanks for throwing earth player a bone. We needed it.
Poo Toucher
12-28-2008, 12:47 PM
Poo Toucher, WoWT isn't a good card. I don't see how it would set up your curve unless your running the sound 4 ninjas or Haku since they have ambush. This isn't too ridiculous considering Haku and Tayuya do have decent stats but there are other ninjas I'd much rather run. I don't know if there are any turn 4 ambush water ninjas so it seems like WoWT really helps your curve come turn 5.
Also, not many people would sacrifice one of their jutsu slots for this card. I'd rather run a jutsu that could alter the battlefield in my favor rather than this card.
turn 3= haku, tayuya
turn 4=kongo (I personally like him over aoi), and raiga already has karashi
turn 5= kisame, zabuza, kabuto
turn 6= orochimaru
all of these (cept raiga) have ambush, so it totally sets up your late game any way you want giving you more of a reason to play 1 ofs and 2 of as oppose to 3 ofs. all of your late game in water will start to have ambush and it only gets better the more sets we get.
and really, why not play a tutor over senbon? water dragon, vortex, HMJ, then this is totally an option.
The point is that water has tutors, which you seemed to miss so I'll say again. Water has more tutors than the other colors.
animefanatic
12-28-2008, 05:31 PM
The point is that water has tutors, which you seemed to miss so I'll say again. Water has more tutors than the other colors.
I didn't miss anything dude. If you read my last post, I just said I don't think WoWT is a good card to put into a deck.
Poo Toucher
12-28-2008, 05:37 PM
I didn't miss anything dude. If you read my last post, I just said I don't think WoWT is a good card to put into a deck.
:rolleyes:
anyway, why don't you think WoWT is a good card, seeing on how we're obviously going to get into it eventually
Zero Master Of Percision
12-28-2008, 07:56 PM
:rolleyes:
anyway, why don't you think WoWT is a good card, seeing on how we're obviously going to get into it eventually
WoWT is bad for several reasons:
1. Its too slow. Reinforcements, Karashi, and other tutor cards can act immediately to get the card you want during the mission phase in which you want to play it. In this case, you fetch during the EoJ, so the card you would get would be 1 turn to slow, and that could make all the difference in a game.
2. You dont generate chakra. Playing a card like 9th match generates 2 chakra while searching out a character. This card is at first -1 in hand -1 chakra, then +2 chakra, so you generate 1 chakra, that being the character you wish to ambush, so as soon as you play the character your end total is +0 chakra and -1 card in hand. that may not sound like a big deal, but in reality water is the deck that NEEDS the most chakra generation to function properly. By cutting mission space for this card, you are cutting the fuel for the powerful jutsus water relies on to take control of the game. By cutting jutsu space, you take away the bomby jutsus needed to win, so really there just is no space for this card where it wouldn't hurt your deck.
3. Poor targets. Sure, down the line it may be more useful, but for now, very few ninjas have ambush, and as it stands, very few of them would replace obvious staples in water such as Kisame CES and even Raiga, who has his own powerful tutor that also searches out early game characters. The only real targets that would be at least decent are Zabuza, haku, and Orochimaru and each of those characters already have Tutor cards... so Why play the least efficient?
4. This goes without saying, but in the mirror you get owned, being that raiga, kisame, and Jirobo all say Nothnx to your tutoring tech :(
so yeah, is that enough reasoning why WoWT is not a good card choice?
Evil Shikamaru
12-28-2008, 07:56 PM
WoWT is bad for several reasons:
1. Its too slow. Reinforcements, Karashi, and other tutor cards can act immediately to get the card you want during the mission phase in which you want to play it. In this case, you fetch during the EoJ, so the card you would get would be 1 turn to slow, and that could make all the difference in a game.
2. You dont generate chakra. Playing a card like 9th match generates 2 chakra while searching out a character. This card is at first -1 in hand -1 chakra, then +2 chakra, so you generate 1 chakra, that being the character you wish to ambush, so as soon as you play the character your end total is +0 chakra and -1 card in hand. that may not sound like a big deal, but in reality water is the deck that NEEDS the most chakra generation to function properly. By cutting mission space for this card, you are cutting the fuel for the powerful jutsus water relies on to take control of the game. By cutting jutsu space, you take away the bomby jutsus needed to win, so really there just is no space for this card where it wouldn't hurt your deck.
3. Poor targets. Sure, down the line it may be more useful, but for now, very few ninjas have ambush, and as it stands, very few of them would replace obvious staples in water such as Kisame CES and even Raiga, who has his own powerful tutor that also searches out early game characters. The only real targets that would be at least decent are Zabuza, haku, and Orochimaru and each of those characters already have Tutor cards... so Why play the least efficient?
4. This goes without saying, but in the mirror you get owned, being that raiga, kisame, and Jirobo all say Nothnx to your tutoring tech :(
so yeah, is that enough reasoning why WoWT is not a good card choice?
Couldn't have said it any better.
Karashi is obviously water's tutor..
Walking on Water is just bleh. Somebody was playing with it today to get their Haku or Zabuza into the Chakra area....what a waste of jutsu space, that's why he isn't consistently winning, not enough powerful jutsu since WoWT is taking up space.
Zero Master Of Percision
12-28-2008, 09:41 PM
Couldn't have said it any better.
Karashi is obviously water's tutor..
Walking on Water is just bleh. Somebody was playing with it today to get their Haku or Zabuza into the Chakra area....what a waste of jutsu space, that's why he isn't consistently winning, not enough powerful jutsu since WoWT is taking up space.
Please clue that person in to the card "Abandonment"
dawn_bringer
12-28-2008, 10:32 PM
Please clue that person in to the card "Abandonment"
I hear bingo book is a good tutor too.
Evil Shikamaru
12-28-2008, 10:39 PM
Please clue that person in to the card "Abandonment"
No kidding. ;)
I hear bingo book is a good tutor too.
.....................
garrangel
12-28-2008, 10:40 PM
OMG People still play bingo book?!
Zero Master Of Percision
12-29-2008, 06:31 AM
I hear bingo book is a good tutor too.
Bingo book doesn't "tutor". Also with the increase in deck size bingo book in testing has become really inconstant with what it pulls. a lot of times I dont even get a ninja, let alone a ninja I want.
Train-Heartnet
12-29-2008, 01:12 PM
Bingo book doesn't "tutor". Also with the increase in deck size bingo book in testing has become really inconstant with what it pulls. a lot of times I dont even get a ninja, let alone a ninja I want.
Totally true, not like water can complain though......
Elite
01-01-2009, 11:31 AM
Wow, Fire has Ninth Match x 1000 now. People who are saying Fire doesn't need to play this card... you do realize Fire is essentially hitting TN and Kakashi AD/Sasuke OC every game now right? This card is retarded and I can't see why you would ever NOT play this card.
Earth is still balls. If this was just Earth perhaps it'd be balanced.
Whatever.
The best way to counter it is also Fire. What. Ever.
Edit: Read more posts now... "small boost to fire?" Are you out of your collective minds? This card is INSANE. Lightning is good because it can consistently hit TN with essentially 6 TNs in the decks. Now Fire can do the same... and hit Kakashi AD/Sasuke OC/Ali G/whatever broken ninja has been released.
shikamaru_of_hebi
01-05-2009, 11:45 AM
i think i will bring some tape,nails,a hammer,a light bulb, and a tylenol to the next jonin to fix jerrys card cause its definitely broke i thought about it a million times and there is no way this card will not be played in any of my fire decks unless im running thunder king raoh! <.<
visserac88
01-05-2009, 12:03 PM
I'm just happy to know the card isnt Fire/water. As JD said, lightning was better cuz it had 6x Gaaras. Now Fire has 6x everything. Unfun...is unfun. But I wouldn't mind being on the + side of the card >.>
Saitsuofleaves
01-05-2009, 12:26 PM
Wow, Fire has Ninth Match x 1000 now. People who are saying Fire doesn't need to play this card... you do realize Fire is essentially hitting TN and Kakashi AD/Sasuke OC every game now right? This card is retarded and I can't see why you would ever NOT play this card.
Earth is still balls. If this was just Earth perhaps it'd be balanced.
Whatever.
The best way to counter it is also Fire. What. Ever.
Edit: Read more posts now... "small boost to fire?" Are you out of your collective minds? This card is INSANE. Lightning is good because it can consistently hit TN with essentially 6 TNs in the decks. Now Fire can do the same... and hit Kakashi AD/Sasuke OC/Ali G/whatever broken ninja has been released.
You won't use LAR to search Sasuke, that's still FV 2.0. Since when has Kakashi AD been broken? Since when has any Kakashi been broken? The closest one is ETDF but he isn't a I win if i play him card. You have to play Fire or Earth to use this with Lightning as well. It's only a small boost to Fire because Fire's mission status hasn't changed. People are still going to main JLDC, Symbol, and most likely FV 2.0 leaving Tides, Browbeater, Surprise, Secret Activities, LAR, and Stay Out of This (against LAR) to compete for those last spots. People aren't automatically going to put in LAR. Tides and Browbeater change games, Secret Activites and Surprise fortify your hand, Stay Out of This provides a little stall and instant kill on whoever uses LAR on a Chunin or higher and LAR to search out a ninja. It's not concrete that LAR's going in.
visserac88
01-05-2009, 12:39 PM
You won't use LAR to search Sasuke, that's still FV 2.0. Since when has Kakashi AD been broken? Since when has any Kakashi been broken? The closest one is ETDF but he isn't a I win if i play him card. You have to play Fire or Earth to use this with Lightning as well. It's only a small boost to Fire because Fire's mission status hasn't changed. People are still going to main JLDC, Symbol, and most likely FV 2.0 leaving Tides, Browbeater, Surprise, Secret Activities, LAR, and Stay Out of This (against LAR) to compete for those last spots. People aren't automatically going to put in LAR. Tides and Browbeater change games, Secret Activites and Surprise fortify your hand, Stay Out of This provides a little stall and instant kill on whoever uses LAR on a Chunin or higher and LAR to search out a ninja. It's not concrete that LAR's going in.
I think u missed the part, "ur an idiot if u don't run this card". FV isn’t played in most builds, I don't even play FV. Emina draws even tho u still can't fetch the jutsus back.
It could be opinionated, but Ninja dogs still might be the optimal fire builds.
Tides and browbeater might do some damage, both to u and ur opponent. But searching for any ninja you feel like to change the game is in it's own havoc, and you don't need to be winning or loosing during the current time.
Any card that tutors your curve, is broke. A card that can do more than 9th match and Karashi together, is retarded.
Saitsuofleaves
01-05-2009, 12:48 PM
I think u missed the part, "ur an idiot if u don't run this card". FV isn’t played in most builds, I don't even play FV. Emina draws even tho u still can't fetch the jutsus back.
It could be opinionated, but Ninja dogs still might be the optimal fire builds.
Tides and browbeater might do some damage, both to u and ur opponent. But searching for any ninja you feel like to change the game is in it's own havoc, and you don't need to be winning or loosing during the current time.
Any card that tutors your curve, is broke. A card that can do more than 9th match and Karashi together, is retarded.
But you HAVE to play the card. Karashi is great because you can stockpile Kurosuki people basically (mostly Raiga in this case) and get chakra. 9th Match is just good, because getting HSM and having SCJ chakra down is great. If you use that logic, you're getting +2 chakra, -2-3 Hand (depending on what ninja you get) or a possible complete loss of hand. Tides is a +2 Chakra and possibly wrecking your opponent's entire field while restoring your own. Browbeater's just there to get rid of those pesky early Stand-By, Sakura, possible Ino's out there, and even Sasuke COotE (some people don't like to put him in the line of fire, especially with Shuriken roaming). It all depends on situation. To be honest, it's not a You're an idiot if you don't play this, becuase it's not that. You act like Fire doesn't stand a chance if you don't play it and that's not even close. It's a very good card, don't get me wrong, but if I'm facing mirror match and I play LAR in the back of my mind I'm hoping he didn't main/side SOoT because then that's an auto scoop for sure.
animefanatic
01-05-2009, 01:53 PM
Just so we don't forget, Stay Out of This only works for a rank of chunin or higher.
Saitsuofleaves
01-05-2009, 02:03 PM
Just so we don't forget, Stay Out of This only works for a rank of chunin or higher.
I mentioned that in an earlier post but considering in Fire, ranks are actually pretty important (Trigram, Dragon Flame) LAR will get its most use grabbing Special Jonin and up...and maybe fetching Sasuke OC for you non FV users.
Elite
01-05-2009, 06:16 PM
But you HAVE to play the card. Karashi is great because you can stockpile Kurosuki people basically (mostly Raiga in this case) and get chakra. 9th Match is just good, because getting HSM and having SCJ chakra down is great. If you use that logic, you're getting +2 chakra, -2-3 Hand (depending on what ninja you get) or a possible complete loss of hand. Tides is a +2 Chakra and possibly wrecking your opponent's entire field while restoring your own. Browbeater's just there to get rid of those pesky early Stand-By, Sakura, possible Ino's out there, and even Sasuke COotE (some people don't like to put him in the line of fire, especially with Shuriken roaming). It all depends on situation. To be honest, it's not a You're an idiot if you don't play this, becuase it's not that. You act like Fire doesn't stand a chance if you don't play it and that's not even close. It's a very good card, don't get me wrong, but if I'm facing mirror match and I play LAR in the back of my mind I'm hoping he didn't main/side SOoT because then that's an auto scoop for sure.
Why so scared of StayOOT?
Most of the times you'll just be fetching:
A. Your curve.
B. Gaara TN
C. Sasuke OC/COOTE
Even in that capacity it's 9th Match x 1000. And StayOOT can't do jack.
But since it can get Kakashi AD or search Kiba to put Dogs totally over the top... or whatever piece of the Uchiha puzzle you're missing... or GOAL/APW for massive beats, it's > 9th Match x 1000.
The only way to counter it is StayOOT (or Continue the Mission if you're allowed to play it "in response") - and guess what element those are?
Fire mirror matches all around seems fun.
animefanatic
01-05-2009, 06:57 PM
Why so scared of StayOOT?
Most of the times you'll just be fetching:
A. Your curve.
B. Gaara TN
C. Sasuke OC/COOTE
Even in that capacity it's 9th Match x 1000. And StayOOT can't do jack.
But since it can get Kakashi AD or search Kiba to put Dogs totally over the top... or whatever piece of the Uchiha puzzle you're missing... or GOAL/APW for massive beats, it's > 9th Match x 1000.
The only way to counter it is StayOOT (or Continue the Mission if you're allowed to play it "in response") - and guess what element those are?
Fire mirror matches all around seems fun.
lol at "Continue the Mission"
They should make you an honorary play-tester so there can be stability and balance in the game.
Elite
01-05-2009, 08:55 PM
lol at "Continue the Mission"
They should make you an honorary play-tester so there can be stability and balance in the game.
I'd just make every Shikamaru and Temari broken beyond belief. <_<
sasuke28
01-05-2009, 09:26 PM
I'd just make every Shikamaru and Temari broken beyond belief. <_<
no its not.
visserac88
01-05-2009, 09:29 PM
no its not.
.....
reading is key.
animefanatic
01-05-2009, 09:46 PM
.....
reading is key.
He has a disease where he can't read the first 3 words of a sentence.
sasuke28
01-05-2009, 10:03 PM
He has a disease where he can't read the first 3 words of a sentence.
thats a little mean dont u think?
sasuke28
01-05-2009, 10:04 PM
ohh know i get it. my bad.
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