SP or OC

[itachistate2]

hey what you guys rather run and why the SPs or OCs and why? here are some positives and negetives.

SPs
entrance cost of 5,6 or 6 w/ 2 hand costs
are affected by missions
no drawbacks
kimimaro is affected by jutsus and effects


OCs
entrance cost of 3,4,or 5
have to discard two cards every turn unless u have unplayable cards
unaffected by like anything

[Gaara_47]

I like [OC] better b/c it's disadvange can help you if you know how to make it work.:D

[Buyaka Buyaka]

Naruto and Sasuke (OC) are alot better than (SP).

But, Kimimaro (Afb) and (MPP) or alot better than (OC).

[Gaara_47]

Naruto and Sasuke (OC) are alot better than (SP).

But, Kimimaro (Afb) and (MPP) or alot better than (OC).

Kimimaro I guess would be about equal. Still like [OC] better though.

[tarman727]

No, OC is much better then those kimmi's as well. They are all amazingly good, especially sasuke though.

[password]

The OC's are win sauce.

[DJ Mugen]

SP for me... I like using my T4 to drop my Jonin, not Sasuke...

And I don't want to have to run some client to keep my deck from getting obliterated!

[shikamaru pwns anyone]

hey what you guys rather run and why the SPs or OCs and why? here are some positives and negetives.

SPs
entrance cost of 5,6 or 6 w/ 2 hand costs
are affected by missions
no drawbacks
kimimaro is affected by jutsus and effects


OCs
entrance cost of 3,4,or 5
have to discard two cards every turn unless u have unplayable cards
unaffected by like anything

OC is way better i mean he has amazing stats for a fourth turn untouchable and has sharingan eye yes not droping a jounin is bad but just drop kakashi next turn

SP is bad because u waste your 6th drops when u could be playing APW or the new lol one

[Itachi_Kaguya]

oc sasuke and naruto are better than sp.... but afb and tmpp are much better kim-kims

[galvanized737]

oc's are generally the best, can't be touched and the sauske and naruto get dropped at turn 3 and 4 instead of turn 6 but the combos with them imo is what makes them so good

[ultimablast]

i like sp better for many reason. some of the reason why i like sp better is that i don't like the idea discarding 2 cards every turn and yes i know that i can use that client. but i can't return my jutsu and mission which is very important and it be like playing a deck with ninja. yes sp can be target by mission but how many missions player play with that can stop him(i can only think of maybe 2-4 mission at best).

[nicolas207]

just checking, the OC cant get hit by missions jutsus and ninja effects?

[Chidori]

just checking, the OC cant get hit by missions jutsus and ninja effects?

Clients too. Missions like caged bird and cursed fate should still work though, and stuff like emi and changes in pairings will most likely just target someone else in the team. IMO the discard effect isn't worth the -2 entrance cost. But the card's new and I havn't really seen it in action so I'm not sure yet.

[nicolas207]

his effect reads that he cannot be affected by your opponents effects. it sounded like he cant get hit by alot of things. thats crazy.

[tobiofthemist]

The oc's are so over hyped because there to high of turn i rather run cop and the new 0 drop sasuke and it takes up your drops kimmi is the best one because he was already high turn and now hes broken naruto and sasuke are way to over hipted expecially sasuke my friend bought 2 sasuke tins and he play them in so many different types of decks and it didnt work that good even against my friends toads sasuke got smashed along with the new kakashi which also isnt that good es is better because you can still negate and mono fire is a very big deck and it runs kakashi and different types ru itachi also who can still trigram and fireball kakashi

[Lord Orochimaru rules all]

much rather run power of state 2. I dont think so for valley though.

hidden ranch village. lol:D

my sp name

[Darth_Sideous]

I definitely like the new Naruto and Sasuke, both are really solid. I am not a huge Kimimaro fan.

[Chidorimaster1993]

Your kidding? SP comes out 2 turns later, smothering your other drops. =/





New client works easily as an advantage, you can choose on-color ninjas as chakra support, or just get free draws to even out Hand Costs. Sadly, I think this is why they made Emina, and T3-T4 ninjas that can't be touched AT ALL is kind of an issue, while their only drawback is they mill 2 cards and between Emina and ADP your choosing to mill ninjas so you can also keep some of your jutsus/missions safe. OC is just insane, IMO 2x Sasuke is practically a must, and I wouldn't be surprised if we were to have another Fire era. =/

[Chidori]

SP does not have hand cost.

My problem with the OCs are:

1. Milling jutsus and missions is fail.

2. How many times will you actually get to use emina's effect?

I'm not making a judgement just yet since I havn't seen them in play, but I see some disadvantages.

[Chidorimaster1993]

SP does not have hand cost.

My problem with the OCs are:

1. Milling jutsus and missions is fail.

2. How many times will you actually get to use emina's effect?

I'm not making a judgement just yet since I havn't seen them in play, but I see some disadvantages.



You should test them than. Right now until I get a solid build together I'm going with mono-lightning and splashing 2x Sasuke OC. COP and SCJ mill you early on, than Sasuke hits and you keep milling. IOTHT brings back jutsus constantly, meaning infinate paper bomb's or since I'm going to use Emina almost every turn I can grab SCJ's for small pumps.



Mono-Fire won't matter with milling jutsus since field control is already good enough; especially with maxed out Sharingan Eye's and 8 Trigram's meaning you'll get 2 or 3 easily. Emina can only help you get back ninjas, but you can use ADP for 2-3 cards to keep milling the ninjas you draw and keeping the jutsus. And as I stated early, lightning has IOTHT to grab back jutsus, too.



OC tins are AMAZING, and if you playtest with or against them a few times you'll see some obvious problems and ways to get around them most of the time.

[[-Chidori!-]]

SP for me... I like using my T4 to drop my Jonin, not Sasuke...

And I don't want to have to run some client to keep my deck from getting obliterated!

If your deck is getting obliterated, the game is lasting too long.

[ultimablast]

chidorimaster1993 i was thinking about that combo with iotht but mono lightning don't need another high combat ninja. in a mono fire yes their alot of good ninja but let say that all your sharingan eye, lightning blade, or whatever type of deck you're running jutsu are in you discard and you have like 1 or 2 jutsu in your hand and your opponent playing with a 9k deck which he may have 2 or 3 jutsu in his hand. who do you think is going to win the battle? and yes oc can't be target by jutsu but what about your back ninja.

[StormVyper]

OC > SP/Pike & Assault

[Xioner]

Oc is much better

[Kisame_Hoshigaki]

I like the new ones better because they can't be touched by the opponent and they come out earlier than the old ones with less hand cost. But paying 2 cards from the deck hurts a little.

[Chidorimaster1993]

chidorimaster1993 i was thinking about that combo with iotht but mono lightning don't need another high combat ninja. in a mono fire yes their alot of good ninja but let say that all your sharingan eye, lightning blade, or whatever type of deck you're running jutsu are in you discard and you have like 1 or 2 jutsu in your hand and your opponent playing with a 9k deck which he may have 2 or 3 jutsu in his hand. who do you think is going to win the battle? and yes oc can't be target by jutsu but what about your back ninja.


Run Kakashi ETDFH, if you drop a 3rd Hokage than your team is at least a 11, and if they only have removal jutsus in their hand than you counter with one of those 2 jutsus could still be several things to help. My advice would be to wait for your opponent to use up all their jutsus and Emina late-game by stalling with your bigger-untouchable ninjas and constantly dropping another with Emina. If you bait 3rd into the team aswell, they'll bounce it back only for you to play another one and get even better. I doubt you'd get rid of all your jutsus, and with the 1-2 in your hand you can still easily make a difference between something as simple as an QFP Fireball to OV their team with Sasuke as the user with Kakashi behind, or have Kakashi drop the new Dragon Flame/8 Trigram on them. Dropping at least 1 Sharingan Eye with 1-2 more jutsu late-game is still helpful. ADP is easy with Emina+Sasuke, your getting a free draw and if you draw an extra ninja you can just keep milling it and keeping your jutsus. JLDC is a last-resort aswell even later on in the game in the deck since I turn my 3 to 4 ninjas in my hand into at least one jutsu.

Sorry for the wall of text, but you'll be fine. Lightning is fine late-game, the only drops you need to run T4 and up for the deck I'm running is like 2x OC and 3x IOTHT. That's plenty of room for early game if you build the deck right, you don't need fancy 4th Hokages or anything like that. I've found intentionally milling myself on purpose if I have Emina helps me win if I have at least a certain amount of cards left. IOTHT is easy to drag out if I have no cards left in the deck and an Emina in play, meaning jutsu cycling is great.

[gaara the sand man]

OC because it comes out 2 tuns earlier and you get the cards later with emina

[DJ Mugen]

;749969']If your deck is getting obliterated, the game is lasting too long.

2 cards every turn is still too much...

oh look I just dropped an APW and a Trigram... =/

No.

[Hardcore genin]

The OC Kimi is WAY better than Afb or tMPP. Before kimi would hit the board w/2 hand cost then get trigramed. Now he is accually playable IMO.

[Neji]

2 cards every turn is still too much...

oh look I just dropped an APW and a Trigram... =/

No.

Oh look, I just lost a Choji and 0 drop Naruto and now drew into APW.

See how what if situations don't work? Also, with Sakura ADP, you can control what you lose and make the OC's effect even help a bit by thining out the deck and getting rid of cards you don't need.

[Buyaka Buyaka]

The OC Kimi is WAY better than Afb or tMPP. Before kimi would hit the board w/2 hand cost then get trigramed. Now he is accually playable IMO.

Usually Kimi was only played in state 2 decks which played Power of State 2, AFB is still the best Kimi IMO. Even if you have to pay 2 hand cost, I am pretty sure we have already established 2 hand cost doesn't matter, considering the new sannins.

[venkelos]

I just wish "overwhelming chakra" meant that they go to your chakra pool. Sure, you'd always have ridiculous amounts, but if the thing you wanted went there, it isn't as big a help. Having them go to discard is irritating, even if they are paying for one hell of an effect. Still do like them, though I have only snagged the Naruto one and the Kimi one, so far. Of course, wanting the Sasuke, I haven't gotten it. :( I'll have to make due with SP Sasuke, until then (and quietly hope that, someday, a card will benefit from his State 2 attribute). Makes me wish Final Valley was nice, like Power of State 2, and Permanent, rather than Permanent (4), although the game could easily end by Turn 7.

[SANNINS_OWN]

SP is way better

[StormVyper]

SP is way better

Thread necromancy is bad for your health. =/

[hokage333]

if you have emina then oc, other wise sp. ( I think)

[Obito_Uchiha]

oc is far better especially now that the decks r at 50 cards

[CyrilUchiha]

Sp is trash now. They have nothing compared to an immeadiate 3 or 4 turn that can be tutored soon!!!! Tutored!!!! And if they are tutored they have no downside. So you tell me. XD

[alexjackflash]

Obvious,

SP < OC

[Itz Hitman]

with the new final vally Oc will be played like crayz

[TheInfamousCrow]

OC is gonna be great with the new 50 card decks. It will mill threw the deck and improve the chances of drawing something you need. Also once the new final valley hits their gonna be even better

[TheInfamousCrow]

Clients too. Missions like caged bird and cursed fate should still work though, and stuff like emi and changes in pairings will most likely just target someone else in the team. IMO the discard effect isn't worth the -2 entrance cost. But the card's new and I havn't really seen it in action so I'm not sure yet.

No, cadged bird won't work on them. I remember a ton of people complaining about that when they first came out

[TheInfamousCrow]

2 cards every turn is still too much...

oh look I just dropped an APW and a Trigram... =/

No.

That's why the good people at Bandai gave us Emina:D

[kcsuperman70]

That's why the good people at Bandai gave us Emina:D

hmm...wow, obv, combo completely slipped by me, i see the OC's as a bit better than before, still dont like the discard effect, if sasuke/naruto is your only choice for T3 or 4, then you play it and happen to discard your Emina then what however?, i myself, choose neither, i run Lightning/Wind and Use Naruto as 0 drops

[Taco_king3]

SP, OC starts to destroy your deck in 4 turns (and I keep my CS2 Sasuk out for most of the game) I just can't use my OC, might trade it...

[kcsuperman70]

The OC's are just meh in my eyes..it takes too many cards to make it not hurt u:/

[shinnok]

The OC's are just meh in my eyes..it takes too many cards to make it not hurt u:/

cmon, you just said that you run lightning, that makes the naruto even better for you. In addition to using the standard tactic of ADP to control what your going to be discarding(making emina a draw engine), you can run stuff like unexpected attack to self-mill into combos, plus you've got IOTHT to recycle any jutsus that get discarded.

[Thayli]

The new final valley makes them so very easy to use. It searches for them and takes away their negative. Plus with 50 cards you can do fine for a while with them milling you. Even in the current format, 3 eminas and a Genma makes playing them rather easy.

[itachiforpresident6]

well now that the promo sasuke and naruto demons have the name effect overflaoing chakra the are much more better for me

[Thayli]

well now that the promo sasuke and naruto demons have the name effect overflaoing chakra the are much more better for me

Um, those two cards are terri-bad. The OC ninjas are immune to everything whereas those two just generate extra chakra. To use either card you need to run final valley or some sort of support. A little extra chakra every turn is not worth the deck space their support cards costs. However total immunity is worth it.

[itachiforpresident6]

in my eyes there are perfect because and again i can make them immunre to jutsu mission effects and have growth so please

[megatron]

Um, those two cards are terri-bad. The OC ninjas are immune to everything whereas those two just generate extra chakra. To use either card you need to run final valley or some sort of support. A little extra chakra every turn is not worth the deck space their support cards costs. However total immunity is worth it.

they are not bad it just the tins out shine them last time i checked a 6/1 4/1 on turn 4 with no effect that will hurt you is good. for people like me who don't feel like making room for 3 final valleys and 2 enimas in there deck but want a card with good stats on turn 4 with no drawbacks this card is perfect. besides i'll just use the new starter kakashi to protect them from jutsus

[Thayli]

they are not bad it just the tins out shine them last time i checked a 6/1 4/1 on turn 4 with no effect that will hurt you is good. for people like me who don't feel like making room for 3 final valleys and 2 enimas in there deck but want a card with good stats on turn 4 with no drawbacks this card is perfect. besides i'll just use the new starter kakashi to protect them from jutsus

I would rather have a jonin on turn 4 in a fire deck, namely kakashi or an uchiha parent. The best fire jutsus are either jonin or kakashi only and most of this game is decided during the exchange of jutsu. The OC tin sauske was an exception because its total immunity was that good. Your better off running the Starter Deck sauske as opposed to these.

Effects > Stats

[Buyaka Buyaka]

Just my opinion;

Tin OC's>COotE>SP> Game OC's

Just when it comes to the late game Sasuke's.

[dr.Rockso]

hey what you guys rather run and why the SPs or OCs and why? here are some positives and negetives.

SPs
entrance cost of 5,6 or 6 w/ 2 hand costs
are affected by missions
no drawbacks
kimimaro is affected by jutsus and effects


OCs
entrance cost of 3,4,or 5
have to discard two cards every turn unless u have unplayable cards
unaffected by like anything

oc is the best by alot.

[Robert_Twilightninja]

they're all good;)

[dr.Rockso]

they're all good;)

what you talking about, OC is hella better

im dr.Rockso, the rock and roll clown

[iPeace]

...Oc...I hope that your not being serious...

[TheInfamousCrow]

...Oc...I hope that your not being serious...

Yeah man OC is broken