stupid tins

[shikamaru pwns anyone]

why did bandai make so broken tins it already making one of the people at my shop quit and i do agree lol would of been a great set without them they are all way broken and didnt need to be in every deck good job you eliminated choji being broke but now the new sp are going to be broke

who else thinks tins are broke?

btw NO FLAMMING if you think that the tins are fine then just state that i dont care if i think different and understand why but just no flamming this idea

[Naruto Shippuden Cards]

why did bandai make so broken tins it already making one of the people at my shop quit and i do agree lol would of been a great set without them they are all way broken and didnt need to be in every deck good job you eliminated choji being broke but now the new sp are going to be broke

who else thinks tins are broke?

btw NO FLAMMING if you think that the tins are fine then just state that i dont care if i think different and understand why but just no flamming this idea

wats broken?

[kira wa kami]

i dont think theyre that broken they cant be affected by effects, so just overpower them or jutsus. its like a weird invinceitahchi only u wont need sharingan eye to beat them and they wont have 3 support.

[Portmantis]

wats broken?
The tins! They came broken! :eek:

[itachistate2]

they arent broken at all.. u still have to keep milling two cards from ur deck

[shikamaru pwns anyone]

i dont think theyre that broken they cant be affected by effects, so just overpower them or jutsus. its like a weird invinceitahchi only u wont need sharingan eye to beat them and they wont have 3 support.

reread they cant be the target of jutsu

[shikamaru pwns anyone]

they arent broken at all.. u still have to keep milling two cards from ur deck

with lightning milling is a good thing/ it doesnt care shadow clone cop they are all self mill and in any other deck oo i lose 2 cards i still have a great ninja that is a power house and cant be touched

[HatakeP200]

My first reaction was "broke" but I'm not so sure now. LoL is a really good set and I think that must be partly due to the playtesters being pretty good. So I'm willing to have some confidence that in play the cards won't as devastating as they seem at first glance. I think that a loss of two cards every turn will be a huge disadvantage. It'll be much harder to have the answers you need to jutsus and missions, so it may be fairly easy for your opponent to mess up a team and get rid of the tin guys in showdown. I suspect a deck running them may end up running a bit too inconsistently. I hope so, anyway. I'd like to hear the thoughts of anyone who's tried using them...

[StormVyper]

It gets a bit difficult to take the common team of Sasuke/Kakashi/Third, especially considering Sasuke can't be touched by anything, Kakashi can't be targeted by non-Genjutsu ninjas (if you run that version), and Third can basically 'tomb' a ninja that gives him the evil eye. That team will likely win the showdown for various reasons, using nothing but ninja effects alone, but I see where you're coming from.

The flip side to that is you've got a chance of milling your jutsu or even the aforementioned ninjas (although if you're running Emina, like you should, that won't necessarily be a problem). But I guess that can be fixed the same way you fix COP; use ADP to rig what 2 cards get milled.

[Kaiten]

Yeah, I honestly think that if you're quitting because of these cards..well..lame.

But I do know where you're coming from, these cards are rediculously good, the only way to really overpower them is to well..overpower them, or mill them/hit them from the BR's early on..I dont know..there's a way around them..not sure what it is just yet...but yeah, it'll be found/dealt with sometime soon.

[Chidorimaster1993]

The SP Sasuke and Naruto shouldn't of been remade like this. When they remake cards that are SR versions, aren't they supposed to be, I don't know; WORSE? 2 Turns earlier, Emina is on-element for both, and has insane stat's. Why NOT run it over the older versions, or at all in general.



Kimi<Broken, it's fair IMO and not too good nor bad.

Naruto~Broken, it's a double-edged sword. He's not exactly broken, mainly due to his element and name, but it's way better than the SP version. I wouldn't go as far to say it's unfair, but I think we could all agree he shouldn't of been made.

Sasuke>>>>Broken, he's pretty much broken to pieces. You can't touch him, comes out 2 Turns earlier, comes in a TIN, and has great stat's. Ninjas like CoinKage to pump and Dad to to make him stronger, and don't forget he's Fire and has Sharingan Eye. SP Sasuke was fair since he's T6 SR, this is a Tin and comes out T4. Emina was probobly released on purpose to fuel him. -_-


Long story short, we didn't need the tins and they shouldn't of been made. The only thing they're going to do is make the game worse and more frustrating. They should errata Naruto and Sasuke at least, or hopefully Sasuke. That or we'll need a loop-hole mission that works against them saying "Attach this card to your opponent's ninja, while this card is attached this card shifts control to your opponent." That way it can use it's effect on them, and hopefully can say something even just like:

"Negate the effect of one no-rank ninja" or "Discard one no-rank ninja" and could have 2 HC. I just can't believe bandai playtester even let this slip...

[10-Tails Navdeep]

The SP Sasuke and Naruto shouldn't of been remade like this. When they remake cards that are SR versions, aren't they supposed to be, I don't know; WORSE? 2 Turns earlier, Emina is on-element for both, and has insane stat's. Why NOT run it over the older versions, or at all in general.



Kimi<Broken, it's fair IMO and not too good nor bad.

Naruto~Broken, it's a double-edged sword. He's not exactly broken, mainly due to his element and name, but it's way better than the SP version. I wouldn't go as far to say it's unfair, but I think we could all agree he shouldn't of been made.

Sasuke>>>>Broken, he's pretty much broken to pieces. You can't touch him, comes out 2 Turns earlier, comes in a TIN, and has great stat's. Ninjas like CoinKage to pump and Dad to to make him stronger, and don't forget he's Fire and has Sharingan Eye. SP Sasuke was fair since he's T6 SR, this is a Tin and comes out T4. Emina was probobly released on purpose to fuel him. -_-


Long story short, we didn't need the tins and they shouldn't of been made. The only thing they're going to do is make the game worse and more frustrating. They should errata Naruto and Sasuke at least, or hopefully Sasuke. That or we'll need a loop-hole mission that works against them saying "Attach this card to your opponent's ninja, while this card is attached this card shifts control to your opponent." That way it can use it's effect on them, and hopefully can say something even just like:

"Negate the effect of one no-rank ninja" or "Discard one no-rank ninja" and could have 2 HC. I just can't believe bandai playtester even let this slip...

I disagree with your opinion on naruto for two reasons.

1. 2k Barrage broke fest
2. Lawl jiraiya. Grab a jutsu that I self milled...

Naruto is just as brokes as sasuke...

[Chidorimaster1993]

I disagree with your opinion on naruto for two reasons.

1. 2k Barrage broke fest
2. Lawl jiraiya. Grab a jutsu that I self milled...

Naruto is just as brokes as sasuke...

I see what you mean, but for Fire/Lightning I could just have COP mill aswell and keep him T0. You can grab jutsus/ninjas either way, but COP makes things quicker since he mills 6 and starts as soon as T0. For 2k Barrage decks I'd prefer using DP Naruto with cards like LTTO to make things even better. I know Naruto is broke, but not as bad. He isn't as big of a deal, but yes, his effect is definately a problem.

[shikamaru pwns anyone]

The SP Sasuke and Naruto shouldn't of been remade like this. When they remake cards that are SR versions, aren't they supposed to be, I don't know; WORSE? 2 Turns earlier, Emina is on-element for both, and has insane stat's. Why NOT run it over the older versions, or at all in general.



Kimi<Broken, it's fair IMO and not too good nor bad.

Naruto~Broken, it's a double-edged sword. He's not exactly broken, mainly due to his element and name, but it's way better than the SP version. I wouldn't go as far to say it's unfair, but I think we could all agree he shouldn't of been made.

Sasuke>>>>Broken, he's pretty much broken to pieces. You can't touch him, comes out 2 Turns earlier, comes in a TIN, and has great stat's. Ninjas like CoinKage to pump and Dad to to make him stronger, and don't forget he's Fire and has Sharingan Eye. SP Sasuke was fair since he's T6 SR, this is a Tin and comes out T4. Emina was probobly released on purpose to fuel him. -_-


Long story short, we didn't need the tins and they shouldn't of been made. The only thing they're going to do is make the game worse and more frustrating. They should errata Naruto and Sasuke at least, or hopefully Sasuke. That or we'll need a loop-hole mission that works against them saying "Attach this card to your opponent's ninja, while this card is attached this card shifts control to your opponent." That way it can use it's effect on them, and hopefully can say something even just like:

"Negate the effect of one no-rank ninja" or "Discard one no-rank ninja" and could have 2 HC. I just can't believe bandai playtester even let this slip...

FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE WHO IS SMART

anyone else elite Zero Ari anyone else a big player think that these cards going to be broken

[Rock_Lee]

They are WAY too broken. Especially the Sasuke. The naruto's broken if he has clone status, and Kimmimaro has that jutsu that gets rid of an entire team. Don't even get me started on Sasuke. These tins need to be fixed before they are released.

[galvanized737]

these cards are not broken, easy ways to stop them, use jutsu that boost your power, use jutsu to get rid of support ninja making you stronger, cage bird thier strongest support ninja, you could have shikimaru shut it off and they still mill because its in combat that the abilities get shut off... ect

its not that big of a deal 3 good cards well balanced that arn't broken due to other cards being made to stop them or making you just ungodly strong i.e multi shadow clone, the new second easily can make you stronger by making other ninjas go into negatives so relax people its not that bad

[Loan Wolf]

Lol, the tins were "broken" at the walmart near me. A lady who worked there picked one up to scan it...and she dropped it!!!

Seriously though, I don't think they are broken. They can be countered. I don't see why anyone would want to quite because of them though.

[Chidorimaster1993]

Lol, the tins were "broken" at the walmart near me. A lady who worked there picked one up to scan it...and she dropped it!!!

Seriously though, I don't think they are broken. They can be countered. I don't see why anyone would want to quite because of them though.


I never knew Bob Saget played Naruto...

[10-Tails Navdeep]

these cards are not broken, easy ways to stop them, use jutsu that boost your power, use jutsu to get rid of support ninja making you stronger, cage bird thier strongest support ninja, you could have shikimaru shut it off and they still mill because its in combat that the abilities get shut off... ect

its not that big of a deal 3 good cards well balanced that arn't broken due to other cards being made to stop them or making you just ungodly strong i.e multi shadow clone, the new second easily can make you stronger by making other ninjas go into negatives so relax people its not that bad
Phail argument = phail. Tins cant get negated by shika. Client makes it so I cant be milled and that effect is actually providing me with a draw and filter engine. ATM tins havnt been ruled in favor of caged bird, so they still cant be stoped there. You can pump/use all jutsu you want, I'll just chuck a 2k barrage/ Dragonflame at your user or shut if off with a sharingan. What do you do there? Bounce my sasuke? Cant. Apw it? Cant. Cry because you get owned. Sure.
Lol, the tins were "broken" at the walmart near me. A lady who worked there picked one up to scan it...and she dropped it!!!

Seriously though, I don't think they are broken. They can be countered. I don't see why anyone would want to quite because of them though.

Atm. no, they cant =/

[FinalValkyrie]

I threw a deck together with 2 OC Sasukes in it today and all I can say is they're pretty retarded. I 2-0d everyone I played in the tournament I was in today pretty easily. In fact usually on Game 2 the people would just scoop when I dropped him.

[Chidorimaster1993]

I threw a deck together with 2 OC Sasukes in it today and all I can say is they're pretty retarded. I 2-0d everyone I played in the tournament I was in today pretty easily. In fact usually on Game 2 the people would just scoop when I dropped him.



I know, lol. It's not even close to being fair, no card should be that good, and they literally released a card to even support them at the same time. I really don't see why Bandai did this..........

[shikamaru pwns anyone]

I know, lol. It's not even close to being fair, no card should be that good, and they literally released a card to even support them at the same time. I really don't see why Bandai did this..........

yeah lol would of been such a great set without these three tins make tins for fun decks or something no sick broken can anyone say gaara tn all over again

[Ryu Hayabusa14]

i think bandai made a good choice making these tins. now that LoL is out, its almost impossible to get these three cards(unless, by some(1 in a MILLLLLION chance) that u actually pullthese cards in the booster packs, then HOLLYYY CCRRAAPPPP!!!!!!!!

[OneWingedAngel]

i think bandai made a good choice making these tins. now that LoL is out, its almost impossible to get these three cards(unless, by some(1 in a MILLLLLION chance) that u actually pullthese cards in the booster packs, then HOLLYYY CCRRAAPPPP!!!!!!!!

You can't get these cards in packs. They are tin exclusive.

[dangsinleaf]

well my friend quit because of neji dbb

[OneWingedAngel]

I think the cards are overpowered, but if you want to run them you will have to take Sasuke or Naruto out of your early game. I think what will have to happen is that more negation will have to be run. Since they can be killed by any effects the only thing you can do is negate their jutsus.

[Shino'sDad]

Caged Bird ftw?

[OneWingedAngel]

well my friend quit because of neji dbb

Wow...that's just......stupid.

[big_time69666]

sasuke and naruto sux. the mission they use is perm2or3 so it will disappear and you will start to lose cards from your deck

kimi is awesome as his mission is perm perm. once out unless destroyed you will never see his downside

sasuke should be connect to power of state 2 he is stage 2.

[Neji]

sasuke and naruto sux. the mission they use is perm2or3 so it will disappear and you will start to lose cards from your deck

kimi is awesome as his mission is perm perm. once out unless destroyed you will never see his downside

sasuke should be connect to power of state 2 he is stage 2.

*sigh* I don't really even wanna respond to this...but I will.

As stated already (y'know, if you actually read the other posts in the thread) their mill effect hardly hurts if you use Emina to keep recycling cards. It can even help a bit with the Jiraiya that searchs for jutsus from the discard, and act like a filter effect with ADP abuse.

With that being said, most people who play Naruto and Sasuke won't be running the mission. Therefore, your comment about the mission only lasting a few turns is null since it won't apply in most situations anyways.

Finally, naruto and Sasuke are MUCH better than Kimi because they came out 1 or 2 turns earlier (depending on whichever one you're running) have no hand cost, and can play powerful jutsus like Chidori and Shadow Clone (Sasuke even has Sharingan). Sasuke also shares the same element as Kakashi, Itachi, and the 3rd and Naruto shares the same element as Jiraiya and the 4th.

[toushin1101]

why did bandai make so broken tins it already making one of the people at my shop quit and i do agree lol would of been a great set without them they are all way broken and didnt need to be in every deck good job you eliminated choji being broke but now the new sp are going to be broke

who else thinks tins are broke?

btw NO FLAMMING if you think that the tins are fine then just state that i dont care if i think different and understand why but just no flamming this idea

well many time sive seen very skilled players just up and quit and give that explaination but the real reason may be because that person just either got bored or couldnt handle the way the cards work i dont exactly know just speakin through my exp

[kira wa kami]

reread they cant be the target of jutsu

Kudos to u, Dome desune on me. since the effect had the word ninja in it my brain read they cant be hit by NINJA effects, so suimasen to everyone reading your thread

[shikamaru pwns anyone]

well many time sive seen very skilled players just up and quit and give that explaination but the real reason may be because that person just either got bored or couldnt handle the way the cards work i dont exactly know just speakin through my exp

yeah i know what you mean but this is an actual reason i mean they are way broke

i like my ninja that helps the point of the deck and gets rid of my jutsu (unexpected) and then having emina to pick back my ninjas

and on top of that outcast dream

[kirbyrocks101]

i don't really think there broken cuz it's not like EVERYONE has kabuto anti-misson (can't think of name xD) in there side deck :]

[Neji]

i don't really think there broken cuz it's not like EVERYONE has kabuto anti-misson (can't think of name xD) in there side deck :]

Kabuto/Sandayu/Anko don't matter at all considering most people playing Naruto and Sasuke won't be running the mission =/

[Itachi_Kaguya]

That or we'll need a loop-hole mission that works against them saying "Attach this card to your opponent's ninja, while this card is attached this card shifts control to your opponent." That way it can use it's effect on them, and hopefully can say something even just like:

"Negate the effect of one no-rank ninja" or "Discard one no-rank ninja" and could have 2 HC. I just can't believe bandai playtester even let this slip...
OMG i started laughing my lungs dry at this WOW!
Does this fit your idea?: http://www.bandaicg.com/naruto/cardlists_detail.php?s=6&c=mus016
And could even use this... who'd have guessed...
http://www.bandaicg.com/naruto/cardlists_detail.php?s=4&c=m150

With that being said... I personally don't think the cards are broken, no, not even Sasuke. The "broken" cards are milling the users and while Emina brings back ninja, it does not bring back jutsu or missions. You can still use jutsu against them, you can target their teamates for one thing, and just because they have the new Kakashi doesn't mean too much because if your running a fire or a wind deck, I'd would say you are foolish not to run a Kakashi, Kurenai, or Itachi (all of which can use trigrams..) They have an APW? Whatever shall you do... How about, run one of the Itachi(can't remember number) He can target one of your opponent's turn 6 ninja and negate it's effect for two turns. Why would I have any of these? You might ask... Think about this: Why would they have any of those? If there is a problem with "broken" cards then make a deck that can disable them... maybe you don't want to do that because you dont want a deck for one purpose(getting rid of one annoying ninja) Surprisingly enough, you can have a side-deck in Naruto.---- Did I seriously type that much???

EDIT: I didn't mean to sound rude... Sorry

[shikamaru pwns anyone]

OMG i started laughing my lungs dry at this WOW!
Does this fit your idea?: http://www.bandaicg.com/naruto/cardlists_detail.php?s=6&c=mus016
And could even use this... who'd have guessed...
http://www.bandaicg.com/naruto/cardlists_detail.php?s=4&c=m150

With that being said... I personally don't think the cards are broken, no, not even Sasuke. The "broken" cards are milling the users and while Emina brings back ninja, it does not bring back jutsu or missions. You can still use jutsu against them, you can target their teamates for one thing, and just because they have the new Kakashi doesn't mean too much because if your running a fire or a wind deck, I'd would say you are foolish not to run a Kakashi, Kurenai, or Itachi (all of which can use trigrams..) They have an APW? Whatever shall you do... How about, run one of the Itachi(can't remember number) He can target one of your opponent's turn 6 ninja and negate it's effect for two turns. Why would I have any of these? You might ask... Think about this: Why would they have any of those? If there is a problem with "broken" cards then make a deck that can disable them... maybe you don't want to do that because you dont want a deck for one purpose(getting rid of one annoying ninja) Surprisingly enough, you can have a side-deck in Naruto.---- Did I seriously type that much???

EDIT: I didn't mean to sound rude... Sorry

yeah because everyone is going to be able to go to fire or earth to negate there affects its just not worth it to use a mission to negate there affect when you could be drawing or getting the point of your deck

[Sephiroth]

I’m on the fence as to whether or not the card is broken or not. Originally I believed he was overpowered, but not broken, now I’m not too sure. Here’s the reasoning why:

As an advantage, here is what Sasuke SPv2 has that is in his advantage:

1. 6/0 Healthy, 4/0 Injured. No other Ninja on Turn 4 is capable of having both a 6 combat while Healthy and 4 combat while injured. Jirobo and Choza Akimichi (The only other Turn 4 6/0s are BOTH 0/0 when injured).
2. His effect allows him to be untouchable by all but a handful of missions. (Loss of All Techniques, Caged Bird, Cursed Fate). His effect is VALID.
3. He is pumpable by Mikoto and Fugaku, which can turn him from a 6/0 to a 9/0 by Turn 6.

Here are the disadvantages:

1. He mills two cards on your turn, every turn. No one is dumb enough to run Final Valley so this effect is guaranteed.
2. Assuming that you run Emina to try and reduce the damage you have to dedicate at the MINIMUM three extra cards to this effect (2 Eminas + 1 Genma Shiranui) which cut down on Jutsus, in addition to this, Emina can only bring back Ninjas… not Jutsus.
3. The Jutsus Sasuke can use are either all Gigantic-Fannable, or expensive as a Maserati. Those that are Gigantic-Fan-Bait are Chidori, Phoenix Flower, Dragon Flame (Coils), those that aren’t (Fire Ball (QFP), Lions Barrage) are ridiculously expensive and are Wind Scythe bait.

One of the reasons why I believe he’s overpowered is because the Mill effect is only active on the player’s turn. Meaning really, he’s only milling 2 cards for every two turns (one of his, and one of his opponents) which means by turn 7, assuming that he had him in play by then, he would’ve only milled 6 cards. By then, he should’ve at least taken the game. Running Emina is almost not necessary because Mono-Fire moves fast enough by itself.

The reason why I believe he isn’t broken is because you can FIGHT someone like this. Build a deck that’s designed to go against a deck that abuses Shroud Ninjas by running decks with Gigantic Fans or Wind Scythes. You can also use Disguise for Jutsus that target your Ninjas and Subjective for Trigrams and other ‘One Ninja’ combat cards. It would be hilarious to see Kakashi [ETDF]’s trigram get redirected to Sasuke SPv.2.

People can claim that yes, Mikoto and Fugaku can pump Sasuke up, people can claim that this Sasuke can’t be touched by APW, Jutsus or Missions, people can claim a whole bunch of things. But the truth of the matter is this:

By deploying Mikoto or Fugaku you give up a deployment for that turn. Are you really going to play Mikoto instead of Kakashi? Are you really going to deploy Fugaku instead of APW? How much time does it take to develop that field? What are you going to pitch for a handcost?

Lastly, even though APW can’t touch Sasuke SPv.2, that doesn’t mean much. After all, APW also can’t touch the regular SP Ninjas, Gamabunta, Shukaku, or even Rock Lee [HSM]. He really shouldn’t be the standard in which all other ‘could-be-broken-cards’ are measured against.

[Itachi_Kaguya]

yeah because everyone is going to be able to go to fire or earth to negate there affects its just not worth it to use a mission to negate there affect when you could be drawing or getting the point of your deck
As i said, you can have a 15 card side-deck which is more than enough to have the extra stuff you could possibly need... DBB is splashable so he can rid your opponent of chakra(so your not so worried about new kakashi) as many people already have stated You can over-power them.... I'm not positive, but won't mental power work? if it does, then there is an awesome Shino that came out this set since he can arrange cards on top of your opponent's deck(put cards on top of their deck that they have to mill) Don't flame me for saying the shino is awesome, because he is, look at all the other shino's and tell me which one is better....
Lastly, who doesn't play fire? Who doesn't play earth? They are both amazing deck types at the moment if you hadn't noticed...[(fire always has been... but it's not as great any more)]

Once again: I don't mean to sound rude... and if I sound like I'm being a ****, I apologize.

[Itachi_Kaguya]

15 card side deck? Since when? As long as I know it has always and only has been 10...
Oh... Yeah, my mistake

[Sephiroth]

As i said, you can have a 15 card side-deck which is more than enough to have the extra stuff you could possibly need... DBB is splashable so he can rid your opponent of chakra(so your not so worried about new kakashi) as many people already have stated You can over-power them.... I'm not positive, but won't mental power work? if it does, then there is an awesome Shino that came out this set since he can arrange cards on top of your opponent's deck(put cards on top of their deck that they have to mill) Don't flame me for saying the shino is awesome, because he is, look at all the other shino's and tell me which one is better....
Lastly, who doesn't play fire? Who doesn't play earth? They are both amazing deck types at the moment if you hadn't noticed...[(fire always has been... but it's not as great any more)]

Once again: I don't mean to sound rude... and if I sound like I'm being a ****, I apologize.

15 card side deck? Since when? As long as I know it has always and only has been 10...

[JDragoon]

I wonder if this helps...
http://www.bandaicg.com/naruto/cardlists_detail.php?s=3&c=m111

[Itachi_Kaguya]

I wonder if this helps...
http://www.bandaicg.com/naruto/cardlists_detail.php?s=3&c=m111
Sasuke is unaffected by opponent's missions.

[[-Chidori!-]]

Seems to me like the grammar of this thread is broken.

Anywho, if you like having a 4 drop head ninja with 6 combat.. shoot for it. Milling 2 cards does not balance out this cards power.

Sasuke is broke. Naruto and Kimimaro are balanced very well.

[DeadJiraiya]

I only skimmed some of the posts so I don't know if this was mentioned, but what about Mental? Last I checked, Mental users like Shika Flex and ShikaTem still work on these guys because their effects affect the BATTLE, not the Ninjas themselves. Add in the fact that all three of them have no Mental, and you've got Ninjas that can still be owned.

Also, as mentioned earlier, what applied to the SPs applies to these tins, namely Caged Bird. As long as that holds true, these three are no more broken than they are.

[[-Chidori!-]]

Sandayu kills Caged Bird. Smart players play Sandayu or at least side him.

[DeadJiraiya]

;746343']Sandayu kills Caged Bird. Smart players play Sandayu or at least side him.

Yes he does, but that wasn't the point. The point is that these cards are NOT invincible. They have weaknesses that can be exploited by popular cards like Shika Flex, ShikaTem and Caged Bird.

The argument on this board is whether or not these tin cards are insanely broken, and because there are efficient ways to deal with them, I don't think so.

If the cards that could pwn them were cards that wouldn't see play otherwise (like Right Man for Right Job against auto-drop Kakashi and/or Toads), then I might agree that these cards are busted.

However, all three of the countermeasures I mentioned are very popular and very playable in many other ways, thus making it more likely that someone using the tin Ninjas will have to face such threats. I myself already run 1 Shika Flex (alongside 1 Shika USF), 1 ShikaTem and 2 Caged Bird in my main deck.

To sum it up, I'll paraphrase one of the 90s greatest media franchises:

I ain't 'fraid of no tins.:D

[Neji]

They have weaknesses that can be exploited by popular cards like Shika Flex, ShikaTem and Caged Bird.


Ironically, Shika Flex and Shikamari can be countered by Shika Flex and Shikamari. Have 4 or less cards in your hand and have Shika flex on the team and you can't have a mental. Shikamari has 5 mental which makes metal battles less effective right there, let alone the fact shikamari can cancel those battles.

As for caged bird, already said, Sandayu.

[DeadJiraiya]

Ironically, Shika Flex and Shikamari can be countered by Shika Flex and Shikamari. Have 4 or less cards in your hand and have Shika flex on the team and you can't have a mental. Shikamari has 5 mental which makes metal battles less effective right there, let alone the fact shikamari can cancel those battles.

As for caged bird, already said, Sandayu.

Never said the tin Ninjas wouldn't have answers to potential threats. Just said that there are answers to the threat the tin Ninjas present. It wouldn't be fair if there weren't answers for cards that are answers themselves.

Besides, being untouchable by effects doesn't equal broken since they can still be run over in battle anyway. Like I said, these cards don't bother me none.:cool:

[Tempo and Control]

sasuke would be the only broken one,and the no hand cost thing is the only reason if he becomes broke.

[Sensei2312]

why did bandai make so broken tins it already making one of the people at my shop quit and i do agree lol would of been a great set without them they are all way broken and didnt need to be in every deck good job you eliminated choji being broke but now the new sp are going to be broke

who else thinks tins are broke?

btw NO FLAMMING if you think that the tins are fine then just state that i dont care if i think different and understand why but just no flamming this idea


I won't flame...much...

Why is it, that EVERYWHERE you look...more and more people are complaining about the tins?
Seriously...people forget about LAST year when the deck that was needed to use, cost you a couple of hundred dollars to RUN!
AND YOU HAD TO RUN IT.
You don't have to run this, it's what you feel like you need to run, but it's ONE FREAKIN CARD!
That doesn't win you the game my friend, the deck itself does. You need to find things to counter with this to make the deck work. And as been pointed out before, there are cards out there that can stop this card.
I'll give it it's dues, these cards are pretty good in the fact that they make you or your opponent waste cards worrying about it. BUT, it isn't the end, and it's affordable! =/
So why are we seriously complaining? Why isn't ANYONE happy, it's ALWAYS someone on here complaining about SOMETHING stupid.
It makes me a sad panda seeing everyone b***h about everything. =[

[shikamaru pwns anyone]

I won't flame...much...

Why is it, that EVERYWHERE you look...more and more people are complaining about the tins?
Seriously...people forget about LAST year when the deck that was needed to use, cost you a couple of hundred dollars to RUN!
AND YOU HAD TO RUN IT.
You don't have to run this, it's what you feel like you need to run, but it's ONE FREAKIN CARD!
That doesn't win you the game my friend, the deck itself does. You need to find things to counter with this to make the deck work. And as been pointed out before, there are cards out there that can stop this card.
I'll give it it's dues, these cards are pretty good in the fact that they make you or your opponent waste cards worrying about it. BUT, it isn't the end, and it's affordable! =/
So why are we seriously complaining? Why isn't ANYONE happy, it's ALWAYS someone on here complaining about SOMETHING stupid.
It makes me a sad panda seeing everyone b***h about everything. =[


i bet you complained about gaara tn
and they way i see it this might be the only thing to run

[Chidorimaster1993]

Well if we wanted to debate, I could say it makes me a sad panda to see these tin cards. =/







IMO good decks shouldn't be hard to make, but shouldn't be easy. Being guaranteed to get a Sasuke for under $20 seems like a rip to me. If it was just a SR in the pack LoL than that would be at least a little better, even though it's still an unfair card something like this shouldn't be easy to come by. Broken Card + Affordable = Massive amounts $$$ for the tins.

[shikamaru pwns anyone]

Well if we wanted to debate, I could say it makes me a sad panda to see these tin cards. =/

thats how i feel

[Sasuke210ANBU]

It gets a bit difficult to take the common team of Sasuke/Kakashi/Third, especially considering Sasuke can't be touched by anything, Kakashi can't be targeted by non-Genjutsu ninjas (if you run that version), and Third can basically 'tomb' a ninja that gives him the evil eye. That team will likely win the showdown for various reasons, using nothing but ninja effects alone, but I see where you're coming from.

The flip side to that is you've got a chance of milling your jutsu or even the aforementioned ninjas (although if you're running Emina, like you should, that won't necessarily be a problem). But I guess that can be fixed the same way you fix COP; use ADP to rig what 2 cards get milled.

which versions are those, the ones in lineage? i have been lookinf for a team to win, almost every match, for my fire deck.

[shikamaru pwns anyone]

which versions are those, the ones in lineage? i have been lookinf for a team to win, almost every match, for my fire deck.

sasuke from the tin
kakashi from lol
and guessing APW

[Sensei2312]

i bet you complained about gaara tn
and they way i see it this might be the only thing to run

Nope, I didn't.
Not one bit.
If you actually look at all my posts,
I don't complain about ANY cards at all. =/

[shikamaru pwns anyone]

Nope, I didn't.
Not one bit.
If you actually look at all my posts,
I don't complain about ANY cards at all. =/

well just guessing everyone doesnt like some cards some times
i just think this will be as annoying as gaara tn and 9000

[Sensei2312]

well just guessing everyone doesnt like some cards some times
i just think this will be as annoying as gaara tn and 9000

I can see why people have a problem with it,
don't get me wrong,
it's just when you hear the same complaint over and over
it's like, "YEAH, we know, we've heard this ALL before."

[shikamaru pwns anyone]

I can see why people have a problem with it,
don't get me wrong,
it's just when you hear the same complaint over and over
it's like, "YEAH, we know, we've heard this ALL before."

well im the first one to actually post this so yeah

but i mean i do understand both ways i mean about droping fugaku and stuff to make sasuke stronger no i would drop kakashi and i would drop APW

kimi isnt really a problem he i just good
sasuke is kinda broke great stats and nice because he gets stronger by mom dad
naruto way broken helps mill your deck for unexpected and other things o i get rid o missions i can win with ninja and jutsu (jiraiya)
and then i have outcast dream in play

[Sensei2312]

well im the first one to actually post this so yeah

but i mean i do understand both ways i mean about droping fugaku and stuff to make sasuke stronger no i would drop kakashi and i would drop APW

kimi isnt really a problem he i just good
sasuke is kinda broke great stats and nice because he gets stronger by mom dad
naruto way broken helps mill your deck for unexpected and other things o i get rid o missions i can win with ninja and jutsu (jiraiya)
and then i have outcast dream in play

Yeah, I do love the Naruto,
I mean, everyone is complaining about the Sasuke the most,
but they forget the Naruto,
I mean, this is what Lightning has been needing (OTHER then removal, which they still don't really have. -_-) and it's only going to get better I hope for it. Toads are playable, and who knows what's going to happen with the fox. I like that Lightning finally got a "broken/really good" card available is all.
Fire didn't need the Sasuke, but it got it anyways, and you know there will be more coming with Sasuke, and I just can't wait for Tobi to come along as well. :rolleyes:

[shikamaru pwns anyone]

Yeah, I do love the Naruto,
I mean, everyone is complaining about the Sasuke the most,
but they forget the Naruto,
I mean, this is what Lightning has been needing (OTHER then removal, which they still don't really have. -_-) and it's only going to get better I hope for it. Toads are playable, and who knows what's going to happen with the fox. I like that Lightning finally got a "broken/really good" card available is all.
Fire didn't need the Sasuke, but it got it anyways, and you know there will be more coming with Sasuke, and I just can't wait for Tobi to come along as well. :rolleyes:

yeah lightning needed some kind of boost but naruto no i just think he is too good

[nathanakasasuke]

yeah lightning needed some kind of boost but naruto no i just think he is too goodYou still complaing about those tins the only one who is broken is Sasuke and Naruto is close because self milling is great in lightning and kimi isn't nothing to fear so lets just see how these tins affect the game and the meta :D

[shikamaru pwns anyone]

You still complaing about those tins the only one who is broken is Sasuke and Naruto is close because self milling is great in lightning and kimi isn't nothing to fear so lets just see how these tins affect the game and the meta :D

hey i forgot to leave kimi out of it

but hey he does have amazing states so he is still great just not broke

[Robert_Twilightninja]

all three are awsome except for the two top cards of your deck each turn

[Arcane_Wolf]

Kimimaro is being highly under-rated:

-Can stand strong as a combat or support ninja healthy
-Can stand strong as a combat ninja injure
-Water goes through the deck a lot slower than lightning or fire, so the mill effect won't hurt much
-It adds another high combat ninja, so you can make multiple strong teams, instead of just 1 uber strong team (Water can make like 3 teams of 10+)
-Has access to Clematis Dance: Flower, which is like Chidori, but is unfannable and you get your chakra back after it resolves.

It's not as good as Naruto or Sasuke of course, but it's under-rated (Raiga is under-rated too /=)

[teenage time killer]

I agree with Arcane Wolf, and Kimi may be a under-rated as it is definatly better than Pike, but I would run AFB over OC honestly :/

But hey, that's just me. AFB's effect is invaluable IMO.

As for Naruto and Sasuke, Naruto is a lil more broken IMO, only because of the 2nd mission to ever be released in this TCG, An Outcast's Dream. A +1 coin for every time that the beast OTK Naruto does damage to a Ninja? Yah, you could As Equals them away, but its taking up mission space to counter a mission you may not be to sure they are running in the first place. Definatly side deckable, but Naruto is still a beast even without coins. And on top of that, both Sasuke and Naruto get a client that is Naruto's copy of YGO's Pot of Avarice just as Naruto CoP was a spitting image of Card Trooper. You take 5 ninjas and reshuffle them into your deck from the discard pile and then draw 1. So even if your getting milled for 2 every turn, it is still a +1 to your deck every turn. 5 reloaded back, draw 1, mill 2, draw another. I swear, Emina was just meant to fuel these beasts, but I don't have too much a problem with it. It just means the days of pump and brute force are back! IMO anyway >.> Elaborate if you wish, I was just supremely bored and decided to put my exact thoughts on the cards and their support that makes them godly.

[Tempo and Control]

Without enima these would be alright cards.With it they are or at least close to being broken.All you have to do to win without enima is stall.So yes enima was definetly ment for these cards.

[gaara the sand man]

the tins are worth buying:D

[Anbu.Itachi]

I think there broke, Naruto and Sasuke still need the final vally card in play, thats what my friend said and I think there a rip

[Lord Orochimaru rules all]

the cards may be stupid good but broke they are not
you will probally milla few justus, thats bad. enimia save them as well now can she?

[hokage333]

theyre not broken. you discard 2 cards from you deck every turn. Youll get decked if youre opponent can survive long enough!!!!!:D:eek::):cool:

[10-Tails Navdeep]

theyre not broken. you discard 2 cards from you deck every turn. Youll get decked if youre opponent can survive long enough!!!!!:D:eek::):cool:

Hey kid. Reading is tech. Go back to start and read to get a grasp on why they are good, I'll let you learn yourself instead of telling you myself.

[naruto brothers]

theyre not broken. you discard 2 cards from you deck every turn. Youll get decked if youre opponent can survive long enough!!!!!:D:eek::):cool:

yea i agree discarding 2 cards is way to much the old sp are much better

[YondaimeMinato]

they are only broken IF:

1: your running a fire lightning deck
2: you have 2 or 3 final Valley cards
3: you have 2 or 3 Enima's
4: you run cards that get your milled jutsu and missions back, or you run jutsu like suprise attack to use from your discard pile.