Haku and his new number

[Hiei_Zero]

Lets face it. Haku has a new US card number and if anyone remembers from QFP that means he is a new card. Which is bad. Now that he is a new card his updated charateristics won't transfer back like they should, which makes everyone who has haku's now have worthless supers, on top of the fact that there is a 1 and 15 chance per box to get a new Sr haku. I think that this is a major mistake, on the part of someone at bandai. It is just another bad decision put in place on our already stressed community.
So what do you think?

[Hiei_Zero]

Technically this can be fixed by just Bandai issuing an errata on the old cards, changing their card numbers.

Assuming this will be done that is.

Well considering that the cards should have never had the US numbers to begin with... Cause it will just cause problems, one would hope they would fix it. Or you know not do crap like this anymore.

[matthewlow]

Technically this can be fixed by just Bandai issuing an errata on the old cards, changing their card numbers.

Assuming this will be done that is.

[RotationNeiji]

They basically made a hard to get card out of Path now useless. Same as the SR Sakura from Path. Why run it when it has no MP as a just-in-case defense against mental decks?

Nice job bandai......

[XeroAngeloX]

I think is good because it gives you the option of using one or the other… but in Haku’s case you really want to be using the new one. I wish the Temari had a US number:D:mad:

[RotationNeiji]

I think is good because it gives you the option of using one or the other… but in Haku’s case you really want to be using the new one. I wish the Temari had a US number:D:mad:

Think so all you like, but it's not good. The only reason to run the old one is if you don't have any of the new one. And since "Reprint", as it suposedly is, are only 1/box...It's going to be even harder now to get one with MP than it is to get the original.

A 25 dollar card just became TP.....

this = terrible

[kcsuperman70]

where did you find that thats for sure the ruling about it?

[Shino_Nara]

bandai make an errata to the old haku. all there is to say. if not, its completely unfair to all of us who have 1.

[SR Sakura]

Lets face it. Haku has a new US card number and if anyone remembers from QFP that means he is a new card. Which is bad. Now that he is a new card his updated charateristics won't transfer back like they should, which makes everyone who has haku's now have worthless supers, on top of the fact that there is a 1 and 15 chance per box to get a new Sr haku. I think that this is a major mistake, on the part of someone at bandai. It is just another bad decision put in place on our already stressed community.
So what do you think?

Mr. Wheat has already addressed this issue and I am not sure if the official word is out but all of the old cards are considered to be the same as the new cards. Players will go off of what is printed in the Chosen. Yes we know about the card numbering system.

[HaKuYoU]

Mr. Wheat has already addressed this issue and I am not sure if the official word is out but all of the old cards are considered to be the same as the new cards. Players will go off of what is printed in the Chosen. Yes we know about the card numbering system.
so does that mean the haku from path is erratted to have mental power as well, cause if he doesnt thats the stupidest move ive ever seen, and as you know im not one to normally criticize bandai

[Tylar_Bandai]

Mr. Wheat has already addressed this issue and I am not sure if the official word is out but all of the old cards are considered to be the same as the new cards. Players will go off of what is printed in the Chosen. Yes we know about the card numbering system.

This is incorrect. Cards that have the same card numbers are the same card, and will have the same text as the most updated card version.

HOWEVER, if the cards have different card numbers, then they are different cards entirely, and should be treated as such.

[Zero Master Of Percision]

Mr. Wheat has already addressed this issue and I am not sure if the official word is out but all of the old cards are considered to be the same as the new cards. Players will go off of what is printed in the Chosen. Yes we know about the card numbering system.

False Info is FALSE.

Hungry Ninja: if a card has the same number, then the new card and old card match
Hungry Ninja: if it has a new number, like Haku, then they are different
Hungry Ninja: so he is wrong

We are so lucky to have you in that room Brian -_-

[kcsuperman70]

This is incorrect. Cards that have the same card numbers are the same card, and will have the same text as the most updated card version.

HOWEVER, if the cards have different card numbers, then they are different cards entirely, and should be treated as such.

I think i may have just quit naruto if im reading this right

[OneWingedAngel]

It is possible that the preview we see is different than what is actually printed on the card.

[Zero Master Of Percision]

It is possible that the preview we see is different than what is actually printed on the card.

No, no it isnt. The card was printed with a US number. Currently, the card is considered a different card then Path Haku.

[majinsasuke344]

OK!! IT'S DIFFERENT!!! The old haku was Kekei Genkai and had no mental.

This one is Kekei Genkai: Blood Trait and has 2 MP -__- I noticed that in like 2 seconds... this is very sad. I had to waste hot sauce!!! No burrito for you (Not you Zero, you deserve a burrito:D) XD

Hey Taco, the old one was called Haku Kekei Genkai: Bloodline Trait, too. Good observation, it has the same name!

[Taco_king3]

No, no it isnt. The card was printed with a US number. Currently, the card is considered a different card then Path Haku.

OK!! IT'S DIFFERENT!!! The old haku was Kekei Genkai and had no mental.

This one is Kekei Genkai: Blood Trait and has 2 MP -__- I noticed that in like 2 seconds... this is very sad. I had to waste hot sauce!!! No burrito for you (Not you Zero, you deserve a burrito:D) XD

[OneWingedAngel]

OK!! IT'S DIFFERENT!!! The old haku was Kekei Genkai and had no mental.

This one is Kekei Genkai: Blood Trait and has 2 MP -__- I noticed that in like 2 seconds... this is very sad. I had to waste hot sauce!!! No burrito for you (Not you Zero, you deserve a burrito:D) XD

What are you talking about, they're both called "Kekkie Genkai: Bloodline Trait". I just checked my copies.

[Kisame_Hoshigaki]

You do have a points, because the old Super Rare Haku doesn't have mental power: 2 like the new one and getting a Super Rare might be harder, but having the reprints of some of the best cards would be great to use in the sealed tournaments.

[10-Tails Navdeep]

I lol in the face of everyone who has a old haku or just recently bought one because all your money just went down teh drain. :p

[Shino_Nara]

I lol in the face of everyone who has a old haku or just recently bought one because all your money just went down teh drain. :p

i lol in the face of u when u buy 5 chosen boxes to catch up on those hakus u DIDNT get and then all ur cards spontaneously combust

[OneWingedAngel]

I just remembered, I pulled a Haku out of tin a couple of weeks ago. Go figure.

Seriously though, is anyone going to run this Haku even with the mental boost. He's not really that useful.

[Sephiroth]

I just remembered, I pulled a Haku out of tin a couple of weeks ago. Go figure.

Seriously though, is anyone going to run this Haku even with the mental boost. He's not really that useful.

Quoted for truth.

While I think its bullcrap that Bandai has separated the two cards based on a card-number; when its obviously they're the same card, with the same stats (except for the 2 Mental Power). It makes me wonder about things like the Third Hokage, and all the other reprints with 'clarifed' texts.

That said however, Haku with Mental power is not that great. Mental decks have been floundering and this is certainly not enough to revitalize it.

The ability to have unnegatable Jutsu, however.... now that part is nice.

But if I wanted to do that, I would just splash in HSM Rock Lees :p

[majinsasuke344]

Quoted for truth.

While I think its bullcrap that Bandai has separated the two cards based on a card-number; when its obviously they're the same card, with the same stats (except for the 2 Mental Power). It makes me wonder about things like the Third Hokage, and all the other reprints with 'clarifed' texts.

That said however, Haku with Mental power is not that great. Mental decks have been floundering and this is certainly not enough to revitalize it.

The ability to have unnegatable Jutsu, however.... now that part is nice.

But if I wanted to do that, I would just splash in HSM Rock Lees :p

Yes, but HSM has no MP and people usually just use Shika usF and Temari WS as 1 drops. I would personally use this instead b/c water is more playabe than lightning anyday.

[Sephiroth]

Yes, but HSM has no MP and people usually just use Shika usF and Temari WS as 1 drops. I would personally use this instead b/c water is more playabe than lightning anyday.

I completely agree. And I also agree that the 2 support that Haku has makes him nearly unbeatable.

But that being said, I'm not as concerned about the mental power problem because the metagame has survived -thus- far without the +2 Mental Power. I'm sure they'll find a way to survive again.

[majinsasuke344]

I completely agree. And I also agree that the 2 support that Haku has makes him nearly unbeatable.

But that being said, I'm not as concerned about the mental power problem because the metagame has survived -thus- far without the +2 Mental Power. I'm sure they'll find a way to survive again.

I'm glad you agree with me. And I agree about your statement about the MP.

[nara-shikamaru]

all this really boils down to is money, there is no other reason to separate the cards. now collectors have to collect both seeing as they have different playability and card numbers. massive fail

[Sephiroth]

Maybe we should have a new card:

Shikamaru Nara [usFormation 2!!]

When this Ninja is Battling, the Entrance cost of the Head Ninja Battling against this Ninja's Team becomes 0, its effect text is negated, and its card number reverts to the previous unerrated version.

[majinsasuke344]

Maybe we should have a new card:

Shikamaru Nara [usFormation 2!!]

When this Ninja is Battling, the Entrance cost of the Head Ninja Battling against this Ninja's Team becomes 0, its effect text is negated, and its card number reverts to the previous unerrated version.

QFT I would have APW as Head Ninja every time!

[x}{gaara}{x]

QFT I would have APW as Head Ninja every time!

to get negated? boy, u must feel smart...
to the guy that made dumb shika2:
theres no point, it would be negated anyway.

[majinsasuke344]

to get negated? boy, u must feel smart...
to the guy that made dumb shika2:
theres no point, it would be negated anyway.

It was a joke by Him (i'm guessing, I can't speak for him) and I.

[x}{gaara}{x]

It was a joke by Him (i'm guessing, I can't speak for him) and I.

i was taught jokes were supposed to be funny, therefore, this was not a joke.

[majinsasuke344]

i was taught jokes were supposed to be funny, therefore, this was not a joke.

I thought people were suppossed to be nice, you are not a person.

[Sephiroth]

i was taught jokes were supposed to be funny, therefore, this was not a joke.

Not all jokes are funny. Thats' a common misconception.

This thread's a joke. Haku being two separate cards, despite sharing the same [trait] and same text effect, is a joke. My statement was a joke. My fake Shikamaru that doesn't even -exist- is a joke. Your argument is a joke. You're a joke.

Nothing funny about any of that.

[majinsasuke344]

Not all jokes are funny. Thats' a common misconception.

This thread's a joke. Haku being two separate cards, despite sharing the same [trait] and same text effect, is a joke. My statement was a joke. My fake Shikamaru that doesn't even -exist- is a joke. Your argument is a joke. You're a joke.

Nothing funny about any of that.

Oh boi! x}{gaara}{x you have officially been PWND!

[toushin1101]

Lets face it. Haku has a new US card number and if anyone remembers from QFP that means he is a new card. Which is bad. Now that he is a new card his updated charateristics won't transfer back like they should, which makes everyone who has haku's now have worthless supers, on top of the fact that there is a 1 and 15 chance per box to get a new Sr haku. I think that this is a major mistake, on the part of someone at bandai. It is just another bad decision put in place on our already stressed community.
So what do you think?

if im not mistaken it was mentioned a while ago that if the cards that r bein reprinted get new traits or the like then they r new cards

[Neji]

all this really boils down to is money, there is no other reason to separate the cards. now collectors have to collect both seeing as they have different playability and card numbers. massive fail

QFT!

As a collector, this just really sucks. I now have to get a 2nd of a card I already own simply because it has a different card number. Also consideirng the 3:1 Box ratio for reprint SRs, this'll be a lot harder to get than the other Haku, so I can only hope a decent amount of this Haku are pulled in my area since trading will be what I'll most likely have to do.

I just hope there arent that many more cards like this. Besides the collectors issue, there is also the power creep issue. I'm just VERY glad Kakashi ES didn't get Mental: 3. Not only would that have made an amazing card even better, it would make it a massive ***** to get again.

[Hiei_Zero]

QFT!

As a collector, this just really sucks. I now have to get a 2nd of a card I already own simply because it has a different card number. Also consideirng the 3:1 Box ratio for reprint SRs, this'll be a lot harder to get than the other Haku, so I can only hope a decent amount of this Haku are pulled in my area since trading will be what I'll most likely have to do.

I just hope there arent that many more cards like this. Besides the collectors issue, there is also the power creep issue. I'm just VERY glad Kakashi ES didn't get Mental: 3. Not only would that have made an amazing card even better, it would make it a massive ***** to get again.

Not even just as a colecter. The thing is haku with mental power is a very good card and can actually bring a few things for mental to the table plus having random mental defense vs everyone and their mom running shika temari isn't bad. The issue is here is a card with updated text to make it more playable but it isn't cause it is in no way accessible. I have 2 hakus and i don't like that not only are they worth nothing they are untradable and then on top of that not PLAYABLE. because having 2 mental while on the surface doesnt seem that important it is.

[SR Sakura]

Yah sorry about my earlier post on this thread. The disscusion that I was appart of took place sometime last month. Between Gary and James about card numbers and updated text and basically the consensus on that was it was going to updated text but I talked to Hungryninja about it and apparently the just changed it recently to a new card and not updated text. So I appologized. I havent been in lately due to school being a pain and that I am going to write well over 30 pages for my finals.

Believe me I am just as upset and mad about this as all of you. And you're right it doesnt make sense at all.:cool:

[Shinigami]

HEY, BANDAI!

Stop screwing with our collections, 'kay? All this BS about reprints being different cards than their originals... What the hell is up with that? If it's a different card, then it isn't a reprint, is it?

Reprint (n): 1) Something reprinted; specifically, a) AN ADDITIONAL IMPRESSION, USUALLY WITHOUT CHANGE, OF SOMETHING ALREADY PRINTED. (Webster's New World College Dictionary, Fourth Edition, copyright 2004)

You can change the characteristics, images, and flavor text all you want, Bandai. That's fine. But you don't call something a reprint and then change the collector number. Where's the sense in that?

Or are you really that after our money that the only way you can get us to buy product is by telling us that if we want a nice, complete collection, we have to buy TWO separate copies of the EXACT SAME card simply because the collector numbers are different? If that's your plan, well, you just lost support from one person right here. And then, to not offer an errata on the old versions, because, again, they're two different cards? I was excited for the Chosen. I was excited to see what cards would be reprinted, how the format would change, and maybe get a chance at picking up a few cards I didn't have before. But this...

This is idiotic. This is bad marketing. This is bad PR. This is bad for the game, bad for the player, and ultimately, bad for you. I, for one, hope you realize that there are those players who are sick and tired of you not listening to us and are quite seriously thinking about quitting. I thought you had redeemed yourself after the disaster of Battle of Destiny, that maybe you had learned something. I hope that I'm not wrong.

[Hiei_Zero]

I want everyone to understand one thing. There are only some cards in the chosen with this treatment. And those are cards with updated charateristic lines.

[Shinigami]

I want everyone to understand one thing. There are only some cards in the chosen with this treatment. And those are cards with updated charateristic lines.

And it still makes no sense. If everything is the same but a characteristic, why not just issue an errata to the older cards and save everyone the trouble?

Instead, Bandai makes them all new cards, which means I now have to go out and buy three MORE KG:BT Haku, because, guess what! The old card doesn't have mental and a different collector number! "Everything else is the same, but we're giving it a new card number because we wanted to!"

[Hiei_Zero]

And it still makes no sense. If everything is the same but a characteristic, why not just issue an errata to the older cards and save everyone the trouble?

Instead, Bandai makes them all new cards, which means I now have to go out and buy three MORE KG:BT Haku, because, guess what! The old card doesn't have mental and a different collector number! "Everything else is the same, but we're giving it a new card number because we wanted to!"

i wasn't defending just clarifying to make sure that people didn't get the wrong idea i started this thread i know it isn't right.

[Sephiroth]

It is complete and utter bullcrap, I think most people agree with that, because it's just like any OTHER Errata (except this time its a positive one) and they separate the two cards.

Its a double standard: if they wanted to do this previously they have to be consistent and make two versions of APW as well, and two versions of Inherits because the older version is -much- better than the newer version.

I think its extremely hypocritical of Bandai to declare the second Haku KG:BT card as a different card because it isn't. Errata the cards, or take away the MP from the newer card because it -is- bullcrap.

[Kaiten]

Oh thats nothing, I think one of my friends has like..9 or more Path Haku's....I wonder if I should break the news to them or not..because they REALLY are Haku fans...like..hardcore.

but really..an entirely different card? What in the world? Is it because the original japanese Haku didnt have mental power anyways and this newer one does? Is that the reason its a "US" card now?

[Chidorimaster1993]

well that's bull, so basically the new temari and the old temari work differently???



they should have different symbols like the shuriken for the chosen, so that way everyone can tell if a card's new or not in case it affects the trade/price, but they should keep card numbers the same, because 2 TOTALLY DIFFERENT CARDS is going to be gay.

[Sephiroth]

For Temari, nothing changes, the old card is errated to the new card.

This change applies only to Haku because its a 'characteristic' change (Referring to the +2 MP he gets).

Super lame huh?

[majinsasuke344]

well that's bull, so basically the new temari and the old temari work differently???



they should have different symbols like the shuriken for the chosen, so that way everyone can tell if a card's new or not in case it affects the trade/price, but they should keep card numbers the same, because 2 TOTALLY DIFFERENT CARDS is going to be gay.

No the old one is considered to be errata'd to the new one.