Deck Discussion, Chosen's Meta and Playability.

[Evil Shikamaru]

What are all the cards from the Chosen that you think are going to be played and why?

What decks/meta do you expect for Chosen and why? If so, make a mock deck list for it.

I'm curious as to what everyone on here thinks.

[toushin1101]

well 2 start mono-water will be amazing for the chosen


fire is gonna most deff make a comback cause of the few cards that make it playable like bafore the errata's


and as for the other elelments well lightning is the only other 1 that i could see makin a hugh difference in the meta


other then that earth is so confusin i cant even begin 2 discuss what it will be like

[redneck anbu]

ima be stickin with over 9000 just cuz i love it but what i realy think will be huge is earth and its new (IMO near broken) sr mission

[chibionineko]

I think with the new earth cards a hyuga deck may become a competitive build.

[shikamaru pwns anyone]

here is what i think best types with chosen

1 wind with all the new negation and all around everything you could want draw power great negation early and late game and healing

2 fire or water i think they both will make great decks either way they both are about even

4 earth it is getting some great cards like hinata in captivity and 8 trigrams so that will help a lot

5 lightning i really dont think lightning is getting anything else than toad decks which are only really fun decks to play

[mztuhbrandon]

water isnt getting that big of a boost. only zabuza suicide so far. the new orochimaru needs a deck around him to played well =/ fire and wind..

[shinigamimeijin]

here is what i think best types with chosen

1 wind with all the new negation and all around everything you could want draw power great negation early and late game and healing

2 fire or water i think they both will make great decks either way they both are about even

4 earth it is getting some great cards like hinata in captivity and 8 trigrams so that will help a lot

5 lightning i really dont think lightning is getting anything else than toad decks which are only really fun decks to play

soooo everythings going to be playable
proabably being sarcastic to your proabable sarcasm

[OneWingedAngel]

here is what i think best types with chosen

1 wind with all the new negation and all around everything you could want draw power great negation early and late game and healing

2 fire or water i think they both will make great decks either way they both are about even

4 earth it is getting some great cards like hinata in captivity and 8 trigrams so that will help a lot

5 lightning i really dont think lightning is getting anything else than toad decks which are only really fun decks to play

Who said toad deck are only for fun? Confused.

[Shino_Nara]

i think everything will become playable after chosen;

earth will have the cards it needs to go mono finally without HAVING to be dfc

water will, like before, be good and an all around favorite if you can survive early game

fire is an all around good build with well distributed ninjas, jutsus, and missions

mono wind will be playable even without over 9k, but over 9k will still be wind's best

and lightning will be by far the most fun deck and finally may have a toad deck that will be competitive. i proxies the new toad deck and it's play is very good and an incredible lock if you know how to. consistency is a small problem as it always is with lightning

imo, the best build for the chosen will be over 9k, mono water, and a HANDFUL of fun-competitive decks. fps may start to slowly die out thanx to bandai finally stopping giving it support. each element has a negation that will work against it early game, so you can just hard charge 2 or play a t0-1 mission on ur 1st turn.

[shikamaru pwns anyone]

Who said toad deck are only for fun? Confused.

toad decks are just not good end of story ...

i was placeing them in order of what will be played

[shinigamimeijin]

toad decks are just not good end of story ...

i was placeing them in order of what will be played

didnt i hear something about a toad deck placing somewhere...

[shikamaru pwns anyone]

didnt i hear something about a toad deck placing somewhere...

well whatever i am just saying that i guess it could end up good but it is still not a top tier deck
1 wind
2*3 water fire
4 earth
5 lightning

[shinigamimeijin]

i know just dont go mouthing off plz

[OneWingedAngel]

didnt i hear something about a toad deck placing somewhere...

Ya, that was me.

[nara1]

just wondering.... why is it called Over 9000?

[shinigamimeijin]

its a reference to dbz

[OneWingedAngel]

well whatever i am just saying that i guess it could end up good but it is still not a top tier deck
1 wind
2*3 water fire
4 earth
5 lightning

Toads aside, lightning still got some new Lee stuff and Anko. The Anko will definately see play, and I'd like to see Lee's new stuff be used. And players will still be playing Sexy Gaara after this set comes out, so you will still see lightning in tournaments.

[shinigamimeijin]

you will always see lightning in tournaments for sexy jutsu and high power ninjas

[Card Slinger J]

There should be at least 5 new deck arche-types from the new Chosen set, and when I bought the latest issue of Naruto Collector, saw 50% of the spoilers, and made a few judgments it looks like it will help indeed especially the Starters which helped the meta to a degree.

I think a Water/Earth Chakra Destruction deck based around Gato's Transport would be solid especially with Juugo State 2 from QFP and Neji DBB which discards chakra. Kisame would be great as well cause he discards chakra and so does Yoroi Akado. New cards like Intake of Chakra and Hive of Gigantic Larvae also work with the strategy as well.

A Fire/Earth Kakashi Ninja Dog deck is possible, especially with the use of Earth Style: Fanged Pursuit Jutsu which works great in that matter. Shoot you could probably go half mill with it but I still think that deck is too janky though.

Taijutsu might make a comeback this set but it doesn't seem like it though, they haven't been Tier 1 or 2 for 4-5 expansions but we'll see. They got Taijutsu Naruto, Mad Dance of Infinity, maybe the Neji/Hizashi Platoon, and Faith between the Teacher and the Student which lets you get back a Rock Lee or Might Guy to your hand If you have one in play.

Here are some new cards that should or will have an impact in the meta:

* Zabuza Momochi [Suicide Attack] - Solid 5 drop for Water, makes Fire/Water JI fun to play especially for screwing up your Opponent's early game with Gaara-Shika-Cho If possible.

* Gaara of the Desert [Sand Coffin] - Already been discussed, very good for late game Tempo with Attack on the Blind Spot, Shino [Original Opponent], as well as Changes in Pairings and Pass Permit.

* Kabuto Yakushi [Information Sources] - Possibly one of the best 2 drops in the game next to Gaara TN and Iruka [Reward]. Helps cycle through your deck so that you'll hit your curve precisely especially with Sakura ADP. It's not broken but it's pretty darn good though...

* Tsunade [Expert of Medical Ninjutsu] - To be honest this is my favorite Tsunade printed thus far, she heals Ninja at the cost of 1 Wind Chakra and pars in comparison with Tsunade [The One Who Protects the Big Tree] in terms of versatility. Tsunade [Tasteless and Odorless Drug] is really good to but I like this one alot better.

* Hinata in Captivity - Better than Caged Bird? quite possibly. Better than running Elimination in Mental? maybe. All in all this is one of the best Earth Missions ever printed the only bad thing about it is that it can get negated by the new Anko which gets rid of Permanent Missions by sending her out to Attack as the Head Ninja.

* Anko Mitarashi [Blocking the Ambition] - Similiar to Hayate Gekko [Detecting a Plan] but she'll come in handy for Lightning decks. Possibly a 3 drop staple for Lightning, depends...

* Orochimaru [Master of Every Jutsu] - Possibly the best Orochimaru in the new set, he can use Water Jutsu with a chakra cost of 3 or less while ignoring the requirements for it thus being able to use Crystal Ice Mirrors (Path) or some other devestating Water Jutsu.

* Gamakichi [The First Born Son of the Gama Clan] - Very good in Toad decks especially for getting out Gamabunta on Turn 2, JI for Lightning anyone? O_0

* Kurenai Yuhi [Wits and Beauty] - Better than Vanilla Kurenai from Path, and when you kick off her effect she's a 5/4 healthy, 3/4 Injured! :eek:

Still I kinda like Gen Aburame [Detoxification] a little better plus you won't have to rely too much on your chakra to get a 5 or above Combat like with the new Kurenai.

* Lightning Blade - This new one is pretty good actually, but I'd still rather play Chidori (R&R) over this anyday cause that way you're not limited to just 1 Ninja using the Jutsu itself.

* Outsmarting the Opponent - I find this Jutsu as Water's tech against FPS, and If they play Release of Chakra (QFP) to try to draw their chakra out for the FPS jutsu itself you'll be able to discard 3 cards from your Opponent's hand. :cool:

* Elimination - Damage dealing for Mental decks, only downside is that it hurts key ninja that have Mental 0 unless you find a way to give all your non-Mental Ninja Mental via a Ninja effect which isn't released yet.

* A Shadow in the Moonlight - Fire's Bingo Book, whether If this card is better than Just Like Drifting Clouds has yet to be decided. Might see some considerable play especially since it's an Uncommon.

* Deal Behind the Scenes - Similiar to One Morning but better, it's a 2 for 2 trade from your Opponent's BR's and your hand. Might see some play, I like it actually especially since it's both Water and Wind.

[Shino_Nara]

toad decks are just not good end of story ...

i was placeing them in order of what will be played

old ones sucked. with the new platoon and gamakichi i think they will see competitive play

[Card Slinger J]

One of my friend's actually leaked his Toad Deck which was the best Lightning build I've seen in the game yet someone netdecked it and later on took it 4th Place in the NJ Jonin this year.

Might wanna think twice about how good Toad decks are...

[DeadJiraiya]

I picked one card for each element for most influential card.

Earth: Hinata in Captivity - Basically, your opponent has 2 choices: Wait out the effect and not bother attacking since he won't get anything for it, or ditch 2 cards from his hand.

Fire: Just Like Drifting Clouds - There's nothing I can say about this card that hasn't been said already. Combos with ADP, Definite replacement for Tora, etc.

Water: Zabuza Suicide Attacks - Turn 5 that fights against First/Shika/Cho? Yes please.

Wind: Shizune Excellent Medical Skills - Strange as it sounds, this is Wind's answer to Gaara/Shika/Cho. Stays in back, same stats as Vanilla Kurenai and can immediately heal any Damage done by Gaara/Shika/Cho. I'm actually kind of surprised at how underrated this card has been. Instead, everyone's been like, "make way for a Kurenai that eats 2 Wind Chakra to give you FOUR SUPPORT!!!!"

Lightning: Anko Blocking the Ambition - This card is an automatic Turn 3 Staple for Lightning. Not only is it a good Turn 3 for Lightning in terms of stats, but it eats AOUR, Caged Bird, Just Like Drifting Clouds, and Hinata in Captivity. This card is something Lightning has needed for a LONG time.

[visserac88]

I picked one card for each element for most influential card.

Earth: Hinata in Captivity - Basically, your opponent has 2 choices: Wait out the effect and not bother attacking since he won't get anything for it, or ditch 2 cards from his hand.

Fire: Just Like Drifting Clouds - There's nothing I can say about this card that hasn't been said already. Combos with ADP, Definite replacement for Tora, etc.

Water: Zabuza Suicide Attacks - Turn 5 that fights against First/Shika/Cho? Yes please.

Wind: Shizune Excellent Medical Skills - Strange as it sounds, this is Wind's answer to Gaara/Shika/Cho. Stays in back, same stats as Vanilla Kurenai and can immediately heal any Damage done by Gaara/Shika/Cho. I'm actually kind of surprised at how underrated this card has been. Instead, everyone's been like, "make way for a Kurenai that eats 2 Wind Chakra to give you FOUR SUPPORT!!!!"

Lightning: Anko Blocking the Ambition - This card is an automatic Turn 3 Staple for Lightning. Not only is it a good Turn 3 for Lightning in terms of stats, but it eats AOUR, Caged Bird, Just Like Drifting Clouds, and Hinata in Captivity. This card is something Lightning has needed for a LONG time.

Anko can't knock out Cage. Read both card again....it's easy to miss.
But, Anko will hitt HIC and Reunion....that's what I'm looking forward to the most.

Toads will be gawdly......
"Shadow Gaara" will depend on how good hic will do.
Fire still wont be the best but it's going to get better.
I doubt anything will really change much in our meta.
Just watch out for that turn 2-3 Naru/gama platoon.

[DeadJiraiya]

Anko can't knock out Cage. Read both card again....it's easy to miss.
But, Anko will hitt HIC and Reunion....that's what I'm looking forward to the most.

Toads will be gawdly...... Duh
"Shadow Gaara" will depend on how good hic will do. What's Shadow Gaara?
Fire still wont be the best but it's going to get better. Agreed
I doubt anything will really change much in our meta.
Just watch out for that turn 2-3 Naru/gama platoon.

As for Anko, I get it now. Since Caged Bird becomes YOUR card, Anko can't touch it...:(

Oh well. Anyway, can this card get rid of Caged Bird?

N-US071
Temari
Wind
Entrance Cost: 3/Hand Cost: 0
Healthy: 4/3 Injured: 0/1
Sand/Genin/Female/Mental Power: 1
[Optimistic Idea]
During your Mission phase, you can discard 2 of your Chakras with a "Wind" symbol. in that case, select and discard 1 in play Permanent Mission.
RARE

Just making sure there aren't any other technicalities I'm not aware of.

[garrangel]

Yes the temari can

[HaKuYoU]

water isnt getting that big of a boost. only zabuza suicide so far. the new orochimaru needs a deck around him to played well =/ fire and wind..

yeah thats all we're getting.....:rolleyes:

[Shino_Nara]

One of my friend's actually leaked his Toad Deck which was the best Lightning build I've seen in the game yet someone netdecked it and later on took it 4th Place in the NJ Jonin this year.

Might wanna think twice about how good Toad decks are...

um, this is for CHOSEN decks, not pre-chosen decks. geez, use common sense. if he used it in a jonin it obviously didnt have the new chosen toad cards in it. so u literally can't say ANYTHING based on that. and 4th is still good. with the new cards, it should be a top 5er in every main event i think. the speed control one i proxied is insane.

I picked one card for each element for most influential card.

Earth: Hinata in Captivity - Basically, your opponent has 2 choices: Wait out the effect and not bother attacking since he won't get anything for it, or ditch 2 cards from his hand.

Fire: Just Like Drifting Clouds - There's nothing I can say about this card that hasn't been said already. Combos with ADP, Definite replacement for Tora, etc.

Water: Zabuza Suicide Attacks - Turn 5 that fights against First/Shika/Cho? Yes please.

Wind: Shizune Excellent Medical Skills - Strange as it sounds, this is Wind's answer to Gaara/Shika/Cho. Stays in back, same stats as Vanilla Kurenai and can immediately heal any Damage done by Gaara/Shika/Cho. I'm actually kind of surprised at how underrated this card has been. Instead, everyone's been like, "make way for a Kurenai that eats 2 Wind Chakra to give you FOUR SUPPORT!!!!"

Lightning: Anko Blocking the Ambition - This card is an automatic Turn 3 Staple for Lightning. Not only is it a good Turn 3 for Lightning in terms of stats, but it eats AOUR, Caged Bird, Just Like Drifting Clouds, and Hinata in Captivity. This card is something Lightning has needed for a LONG time.
reason there isnt hype about shizune is because she only stops 1 dmg, and only from the head ninja, AND isnt valid. 1 dmg to her and shes done, or 2 dmg to head and 1 will still go through. its not that good at all.

[Kakashi_Hatake777]

Hinata in captivity, Zabuza and drifting in the clouds. dealing is also cool. Lightning blade is awsome. but my fav card of all has too be the Neji naruto platoon. platooning neji is just to awsome...

[DeadJiraiya]

reason there isnt hype about shizune is because she only stops 1 dmg, and only from the head ninja, AND isnt valid. 1 dmg to her and shes done, or 2 dmg to head and 1 will still go through. its not that good at all.

Last I checked, while Gaara-Shika-Cho can do 2 Damage during 1 turn, they can only do it 1 at a time, meaning Shizune can heal the Head Ninja for both Damage. As for not being valid, think about this: If your opponent used either Gaara or Cho on her, they essentially wasted their shot because she provides the same support both ways.

Also, if they do that while I have Shika in said Team, They wasted their only shot that turn to turn off an effect, but didn't really change anything in terms of Team Power. As for the likelihood of having Shika there, how often does a player not draw 1 of 3 Shikas by Turn 4?

The only time a Team of [Ninja]-Shika-Shizune doesn't work is in the case of the First-Shika-Cho combination, but I don't hold that against Shizune cuz hardly anything that's not a removal effect can deal with that. My point is that this Shizune, while not broken by any means, is still GOOD. At least as good as what is essentially a Vanilla Kurenai with Mental that eats 2 of my Wind Chakra just to get a Growth coin for herself.

[Shino_Nara]

Hinata in captivity, Zabuza and drifting in the clouds. dealing is also cool. Lightning blade is awsome. but my fav card of all has too be the Neji naruto platoon. platooning neji is just to awsome...

hinata in capt is good hands down, zabuza is good but i think people will soon realize that there are better ways to use zabuza than to sac him off for a kill, and drifting clouds i dont get why it is so good. send my hand back and draw 1. its good, but there are better missions. adp gives the effect without draw everyturn. the draw 1, can u say surprise! or tora? seriously, its ok, but there are better. the platoon looks mad fun. my fav will be the gamakichi cause its about time toads got back into competitive

Last I checked, while Gaara-Shika-Cho can do 2 Damage during 1 turn, they can only do it 1 at a time, meaning Shizune can heal the Head Ninja for both Damage. As for not being valid, think about this: If your opponent used either Gaara or Cho on her, they essentially wasted their shot because she provides the same support both ways.

Also, if they do that while I have Shika in said Team, They wasted their only shot that turn to turn off an effect, but didn't really change anything in terms of Team Power. As for the likelihood of having Shika there, how often does a player not draw 1 of 3 Shikas by Turn 4?

The only time a Team of [Ninja]-Shika-Shizune doesn't work is in the case of the First-Shika-Cho combination, but I don't hold that against Shizune cuz hardly anything that's not a removal effect can deal with that. My point is that this Shizune, while not broken by any means, is still GOOD. At least as good as what is essentially a Vanilla Kurenai with Mental that eats 2 of my Wind Chakra just to get a Growth coin for herself.

they wouldn'y launch gaara shika cho at it. they would launch: naruto ola, gaara+random useless ninja, dmg jutsu, ect. it is not that hard to get around. dont get me wrong though, it is a good card. but i think i would use ic over her siply because ic has lock-capability. u hit a gaara shika cho and recycle cho, you hit over 9k and recycle jutsus when u cant get any, you hit sexy gaara and recycle sexy before jiraiya can come out, you hit sakuras decision and recycle it+the ninja u used with it, ect. it doesn't give the card advantage we know of, but it gives the card you want which is good.

[OneWingedAngel]

One of my friend's actually leaked his Toad Deck which was the best Lightning build I've seen in the game yet someone netdecked it and later on took it 4th Place in the NJ Jonin this year.

Might wanna think twice about how good Toad decks are...

I was the one who took 4th at the NJ jonin and I didn't net deck anything.

[DeadJiraiya]

they wouldn'y launch gaara shika cho at it. they would launch: naruto ola, gaara+random useless ninja, dmg jutsu, ect. it is not that hard to get around. dont get me wrong though, it is a good card. but i think i would use ic over her siply because ic has lock-capability. u hit a gaara shika cho and recycle cho, you hit over 9k and recycle jutsus when u cant get any, you hit sexy gaara and recycle sexy before jiraiya can come out, you hit sakuras decision and recycle it+the ninja u used with it, ect. it doesn't give the card advantage we know of, but it gives the card you want which is good.

Your meta must be different from mine, cuz I rarely see OLA at any of the tournaments in my area, if at all. Also, I never said I would use her over IC either, especially since they don't even occupy the same turn slot. In fact, for the Over 9000 Deck, I was thinking about running 2 IC and 1 of this card.

It isn't definite, though; just my way of testing this card and seeing how it does against the meta's #1 problem. If it doesn't work out, I just put Kurenai WB in her spot and run it alongside my 3 IP's for the Turn 4 slot.

You make good points about Shizune IC, but you're preaching to the choir. I run 2 of her already. The point of my posts has been to pose this question:

Why is Kurenai WB more hyped than Shizune EMS? The only difference between them is Kurenai's effect is getting a Growth coin for 2 Wind Chakra while Shizune's effect is a healing effect you can use over and over again for 1 Wind Chakra.

[Shino_Nara]

Your meta must be different from mine, cuz I rarely see OLA at any of the tournaments in my area, if at all. Also, I never said I would use her over IC either, especially since they don't even occupy the same turn slot. In fact, for the Over 9000 Deck, I was thinking about running 2 IC and 1 of this card.

It isn't definite, though; just my way of testing this card and seeing how it does against the meta's #1 problem. If it doesn't work out, I just put Kurenai WB in her spot and run it alongside my 3 IP's for the Turn 4 slot.

You make good points about Shizune IC, but you're preaching to the choir. I run 2 of her already. The point of my posts has been to pose this question:

Why is Kurenai WB more hyped than Shizune EMS? The only difference between them is Kurenai's effect is getting a Growth coin for 2 Wind Chakra while Shizune's effect is a healing effect you can use over and over again for 1 Wind Chakra.

2 points here:

1. the meta IS damage. i see ola at alot of genins/chunins i go to. trust me, ask around, damage=meta.
2. I agree that she should get more hype. The reason that kurenai is getting so much is this:

There is a good shizune out as we both know. That means this will see elss play and is looked over faster cause everyone in the back of their mind just wants to play ic. kurenai is a different story. she had 2 ver out and one sucked, the other was descent. being a t4 with 4/3, 2/3 she saw alot of play for a fantastic support ninja. Now that this version is out, there is literally no downside, it only got better. it kept the stats, added an effect, kept the turn, and added mental. true 1 mental isn't much but it is better than 0 right? and with this effect she is a better support ninja. true it is not fantastic, but it is popular because the old kurenai WAS popular. then the shizune and gaara came out and there was no room for it. now it may see some play again and people like that idea. shizune was looked over too fast.

and to add to your argument, iruka (scapegoat). many people use him now because of the dmg meta. this card is like the wind version of him. there are the differences:

-shizune has more support and better injured:)
-shizune is TWO turns later :(
-shizune has jonin (which i think is extremely good if only wind had jonin jutsus besides gbt)
-shizune isn't valid:(
-shizune doesn't damage herself:)

the reason i didnt put that shizune uses chakra is because wind generates the most chakra with sak dec, info gath, and one morn.

[shikamaru pwns anyone]

2 points here:

1. the meta IS damage. i see ola at alot of genins/chunins i go to. trust me, ask around, damage=meta.
2. I agree that she should get more hype. The reason that kurenai is getting so much is this:

There is a good shizune out as we both know. That means this will see elss play and is looked over faster cause everyone in the back of their mind just wants to play ic. kurenai is a different story. she had 2 ver out and one sucked, the other was descent. being a t4 with 4/3, 2/3 she saw alot of play for a fantastic support ninja. Now that this version is out, there is literally no downside, it only got better. it kept the stats, added an effect, kept the turn, and added mental. true 1 mental isn't much but it is better than 0 right? and with this effect she is a better support ninja. true it is not fantastic, but it is popular because the old kurenai WAS popular. then the shizune and gaara came out and there was no room for it. now it may see some play again and people like that idea. shizune was looked over too fast.

and to add to your argument, iruka (scapegoat). many people use him now because of the dmg meta. this card is like the wind version of him. there are the differences:

-shizune has more support and better injured:)
-shizune is TWO turns later :(
-shizune has jonin (which i think is extremely good if only wind had jonin jutsus besides gbt)
-shizune isn't valid:(
-shizune doesn't damage herself:)

the reason i didnt put that shizune uses chakra is because wind generates the most chakra with sak dec, info gath, and one morn.

this is true but i do not belive that shizune is worthless i do think this card will see play i see it playin in a DFC or over 9000 protecting them with great support

[rasengan-101]

im going for an idiot brother build

[Evil Shikamaru]

So...I have a feeling the new meta will be mono...
I've completed Mono-Water, Mono-Wind Over 9000..
I'm nearly done with Mono-Fire Sharingan and Mono-Earth Byakugan.
I may start working on Mono-Lightning Toads though.

Anyone think of good Mono-Lightning or Mono-Earth builds?

[HaKuYoU]

So...I have a feeling the new meta will be mono...
I've completed Mono-Water, Mono-Wind Over 9000..
I'm nearly done with Mono-Fire Sharingan and Mono-Earth Byakugan.
I may start working on Mono-Lightning Toads though.

Anyone think of good Mono-Lightning or Mono-Earth builds?

BEE DECK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[visserac88]

BEE DECK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol
Fuma>Bee any day.

[Chidorimaster1993]

The only boosts I've noticed are:

Earth is going to be great.

Toads will be competitive (or at least more competitive) =)

Fire got some nice boosts so we'll see it more often.


Wind and Water haven't changed too much and are still good.




So, basically, we've got a lot more decktypes, the game is getting better, and Bandai is trying to even out the elements more and more by covering up their weaknesses with new cards.

[Evil Shikamaru]

The only boosts I've noticed are:

Earth is going to be great.

Toads will be competitive (or at least more competitive) =)

Fire got some nice boosts so we'll see it more often.


Wind and Water haven't changed too much and are still good.




So, basically, we've got a lot more decktypes, the game is getting better, and Bandai is trying to even out the elements more and more by covering up their weaknesses with new cards.

I'm having a hard time constructing a Mono-Earth Byakugan...that wins.

[Chidorimaster1993]

I'm having a hard time constructing a Mono-Earth Byakugan...that wins.

I wasn't talking about byakugan... -_-



Byakugan will be playable, but it won't be that great, meaning your proboly going to have trouble playing against a Teir deck such as a good build for an Over 9000 arch-type.


IMO, there will be a few good decktypes that are going to pop up here soon, but it's not going to be like any new deck-type is going to be godly like a BEE deck or something.

[visserac88]

I wasn't talking about byakugan... -_-



Byakugan will be playable, but it won't be that great, meaning your proboly going to have trouble playing against a Teir deck such as a good build for an Over 9000 arch-type.


IMO, there will be a few good decktypes that are going to pop up here soon, but it's not going to be like any new deck-type is going to be godly like a BEE deck or something.

Bee deck.....gawdly??......

=/

[Evil Shikamaru]

Is Mono-Earth gonna be playable though?

[Ecvoltron]

Mono-Earth is gonna kill...
Byakugan will be fun to run atleast once...
Fire got minor boostage,
so I don't think We'll be hearing from it any time soon...
Water is staying steady...
Over 9000 is still godly,
as is 5PS -_-
And Yeah...
That's my idea of what the meta will be...

[Chidorimaster1993]

Bee deck.....gawdly??......

=/


whoops, need to word better, but no point in editing now. I meant that not every new deck-type will be good, and I meant to use the Bee deck as an example, since it's going to be just like the Fuma decks except worse: remember everybody that tried making Fuma decks competitive? how many succeeded? 0

[pyrot53]

mizuki + eotd?

anyone? srsly thats going to be some real fun =)

[Ecvoltron]

mizuki + eotd?

anyone? srsly thats going to be some real fun =)

Heck yes =)
EotD can be game changing!
I love that card so much!

[visserac88]

mizuki + eotd?

anyone? srsly thats going to be some real fun =)

It all depends on your situation, 3 cards to kill your opponents best ninja isn't really a good option. It's almost worse then Gaara [tn]'s ratio.

Tho it should be fun as long as you can keep the draw power going....

[pyrot53]

It all depends on your situation, 3 cards to kill your opponents best ninja isn't really a good option. It's almost worse then Gaara [tn]'s ratio.

Tho it should be fun as long as you can keep the draw power going....

mizuki's effect, which can either let you go through and you can keep him or probably over whelm thier team or atleast win, then just the option of it =/.

Mizuki's good without Eotd, end of the demon is just the best option with him.

[Ecvoltron]

It all depends on your situation, 3 cards to kill your opponents best ninja isn't really a good option. It's almost worse then Gaara [tn]'s ratio.

Tho it should be fun as long as you can keep the draw power going....

All you do is get rid of a Jank Ninja,
Gain Chakra,
and Kill his best ninja.
Whats bad with that Ratio?

[Neji.Hyuuga]

Who said toad deck are only for fun? Confused.

He is talking about the meta, and PLAYABILITY. Toad decks will not be in the metagame, and are not playable in competitive play.

[Evil Shikamaru]

He is talking about the meta, and PLAYABILITY. Toad decks will not be in the metagame, and are not playable in competitive play.

Are you kidding me?
I just made a Toad Deck proxying the Chosen cards...and I haven't lost once. (Played Mono-Fire, DFC and Over 9000 decks..)

[HakkeshouKaiten]

fire will gain a little more playability, but only a little...

[Chidorimaster1993]

Toad decks aren't that great now, but they are not bad either. With the boosts from the next set, I can already believe Toad decks will be phenominal as of I've already been testing the new cards and have some nice ideas for the deck types I will be constructing. If you can build the Toad deck good enough, it's just play a Gamabunta as quick as possible, and start beating down their opponent. If it does go THAT late into the game, you can plop down a Jiraiya IOTHT to recycle liquid bullets for, well, game.

[Shino_Nara]

He is talking about the meta, and PLAYABILITY. Toad decks will not be in the metagame, and are not playable in competitive play.

yeah, as every1 said this statement is totally bogus. toads have won a couple chunins in the past, not good toad decks, but it happens. i agree they are borderline not playable. however with chosen they will probably become the new jonins intervention deck.

[Evil Shikamaru]

I tested the build.
It's still too slow, early game isn't that great and well if you don't pull off early Gamabunta...you're nearly done.

Anyone think Byakugan or Taijutsu will be hot?

Wind/X Decisions?

[Evil Shikamaru]

I am going into byakugan right now, seems good and taijutsu will be decent

Hmm..I might do Mono-Earth Byakugan and Fire/Wind Decisions next set.

[gammerx]

I tested the build.
It's still too slow, early game isn't that great and well if you don't pull off early Gamabunta...you're nearly done.

Anyone think Byakugan or Taijutsu will be hot?

Wind/X Decisions?
I am going into byakugan right now, seems good and taijutsu will be decent

[visserac88]

I am going into byakugan right now, seems good and taijutsu will be decent

NVS/Byakugan/Successors Will be my Academy/Genin decks. they look hel'a fun

[Card Slinger J]

Mono-Earth is gonna kill...
Byakugan will be fun to run atleast once...
Fire got minor boostage,
so I don't think We'll be hearing from it any time soon...
Water is staying steady...
Over 9000 is still godly,
as is 5PS -_-
And Yeah...
That's my idea of what the meta will be...

Earth still doesn't have enough support to go Mono unfortunately, it still lacks damage jutsu like what Fire, Lightning, and Wind have. It does however have damage prevention in the form of Disguise Jutsu (Coils), seriously you're not running Earth unless you have at least 2 or 3 of that jutsu.

Though of course in terms of damage dealing all that Wind has is Wind Blade, Blade Manipulation Jutsu, and Gaara TN. Wind Blade is too expensive for 3 straight Wind chakra as most people usually deploy more Ninja than they do with charging chakra due to being limited to a 40 card deck anyway.

Fire got more support in The Chosen actually, they got better missions like Just Like Drifting Clouds and A Shadow In the Moonlight. R&R Chidori is getting reprinted as well as Third APW.

Water already has enough support as it is but they got some stuff that might help though. The element's 0 drops are still crappy though...

Over 9000 is good but it can be stopped and FPS just became a tier 2 deck with the new errata on it to where it won't become an instant Turn 0-1 win.

[Evil Shikamaru]

Earth still doesn't have enough support to go Mono unfortunately, it still lacks damage jutsu like what Fire, Lightning, and Wind have. It does however have damage prevention in the form of Disguise Jutsu (Coils), seriously you're not running Earth unless you have at least 2 or 3 of that jutsu.

Though of course in terms of damage dealing all that Wind has is Wind Blade, Blade Manipulation Jutsu, and Gaara TN. Wind Blade is too expensive for 3 straight Wind chakra as most people usually deploy more Ninja than they do with charging chakra due to being limited to a 40 card deck anyway.

Fire got more support in The Chosen actually, they got better missions like Just Like Drifting Clouds and A Shadow In the Moonlight. R&R Chidori is getting reprinted as well as Third APW.

Water already has enough support as it is but they got some stuff that might help though. The element's 0 drops are still crappy though...

Over 9000 is good but it can be stopped and FPS just became a tier 2 deck with the new errata on it to where it won't become an instant Turn 0-1 win.

Other than Fire, Water and Wind (Over 9000), I'm not digging Mono-Decks still. Byakugan is getting some boost, but I don't think it's enough for mono-earth.

What element combos do you guys think will be best?

[visserac88]

Other than Fire, Water and Wind (Over 9000), I'm not digging Mono-Decks still. Byakugan is getting some boost, but I don't think it's enough for mono-earth.

What element combos do you guys think will be best?

lightning Scj/Earth Byakugan

[haku16]

Mono-water FTW!!

[Evil Shikamaru]

Let's see what people put.

[shinigamimeijin]

first vote!
yes i think byakugan will see play, if its some kind of hand control byakugan

[chibionineko]

:p hand control. Ino shika cho futaba ointment neji/dad platoon deck that sides into dfc

[shinigamimeijin]

until choji gets a errata boot up where the sun dont shine

[chibionineko]

until choji gets a errata boot up where the sun dont shine

lets all not turn this into a errata (gaara, shikamaru, choji) argument..... k?

[shinigamimeijin]

sorry :D i just was bringing up what will probably happen

[visserac88]

lets all not turn this into a errata (gaara, shikamaru, choji) argument..... k?

lol for sure, but if we don't talk about it....then it will never happen.

[chibionineko]

lol for sure, but if we don't talk about it....then it will never happen.

the fact stands that many of us, myself included, have voiced our opinions on it in numerous threads and nothing has happened yet. as such I see no reason to fight about it here, the moderators know our opinions of these cards, weather they want to or not, lol, and I would hope so does bandai.

[shinigamimeijin]

so your one of those kind huh...:D

[Sephiroth]

No More Five Pronged Seal!!!!

[shinigamimeijin]

back on topic why do you think my hand control idea is silly

[chibionineko]

so your one of those kind huh...:D

"why what ever do you mean, yugi-boy" lol, sorry I love that pegasus quote. but really, I never said what side I was on or what my opinion was now did I? Personally I just say they only need to nerf 2 of the 3, any 2 of the 3, each is good on its own but as a combo of low turn ninja it is a little to good. I dont care much which 2 they change either.

[chibionineko]

well, I dont like hand control, but that is just me. For instance I never use ADP because it makes me think to much, lol. just call me shikamaru [lazy bum]. heck my gaara deck has no splash just so I dont have to pay attention to my chakra elements.

[shinigamimeijin]

"why what ever do you mean, yugi-boy" lol, sorry I love that pegasus quote. but really, I never said what side I was on or what my opinion was now did I? Personally I just say they only need to nerf 2 of the 3, any 2 of the 3, each is good on its own but as a combo of low turn ninja it is a little to good. I dont care much which 2 they change either.

that was meant for ?visscera?

[visserac88]

back on topic why do you think my hand control idea is silly

The Gental fist reprint in the chosen.....should be enough. I's say to add Temari ws but Hinata and shika [usf] will be your one slots.

[visserac88]

that was meant for ?visscera?

shika/gaara/cho???

Choji is my pic that needs the change.......if that's what your taling about

[chibionineko]

that was meant for ?visscera?

no, for you. you said I was "one of those" and i am letting you know you didn't have enuff data to catagorize me into a those catagory.

[Evil Shikamaru]

The Gental fist reprint in the chosen.....should be enough. I's say to add Temari ws but Hinata and shika [usf] will be your one slots.

I don't know about you...but I think the new Hinata 0 Drop is better than ointment.

[visserac88]

I don't know about you...but I think the new Hinata 0 Drop is better than ointment.

yeah that one.....what d'ya know!! You can throw in Temari [ws]

[shinigamimeijin]

no, for you. you said I was "one of those" and i am letting you know you didn't have enuff data to catagorize me into a those catagory.

i was trying to catergorize visscera

[visserac88]

i was trying to catergorize visscera
Into the, "i HATE Gaar [tn], but I play it to win sorry to say."??

or something else??

[Zero Master Of Percision]

i was trying to catergorize visscera

Sorry to say, but attempts at catagorizing is ineffectual if your IQ is in the single digits :\

[visserac88]

Sorry to say, but attempts at catagorizing is ineffectual if your IQ is in the single digits :\
lol ouch dude >.<.

[Evil Shikamaru]

It's looking like Toads might be a top deck.
Good thing I have 2 of the Good Gamabunta, 1 of the Good Naruto/Gamabunta Platoons, Toad Sages and the works.

[Evil Shikamaru]

The naruto/Gama is the best over the gama....u might want 2-3 if your planning a toads deck.

So, you're saying...
Naruto Gamabunta > Gamabunta in general?

[visserac88]

It's looking like Toads might be a top deck.
Good thing I have 2 of the Good Gamabunta, 1 of the Good Naruto/Gamabunta Platoons, Toad Sages and the works.
The naruto/Gama is the best over the gama....u might want 2-3 if your planning a toads deck.

[visserac88]

So, you're saying...
Naruto Gamabunta > Gamabunta in general?

pretty much....

[OneWingedAngel]

The naruto/Gama is the best over the gama....u might want 2-3 if your planning a toads deck.

Naruto/Bunta is the best right now because it's a turn 6 while HitGW is a turn 8. With the new Gamakichi and Naruto/Kichi platoon HitGW is far better and very playable. Right now I'm thinking 3 HitGW and no Nara/Bunta, but it's hard to say w/o actually seeing the deck in action. I've already got my deck list ready, I can't wait for the cards themselves.

[Tylar_Bandai]

Naruto/Bunta is the best right now because it's a turn 6 while HitGW is a turn 8. With the new Gamakichi and Naruto/Kichi platoon HitGW is far better and very playable. Right now I'm thinking 3 HitGW and no Nara/Bunta, but it's hard to say w/o actually seeing the deck in action. I've already got my deck list ready, I can't wait for the cards themselves.

FYI, from my own testing, I have found 3x Naru/Kichi with 3x HITGW to work VERY well. Don't forget, you can also go:

Don't forget that Naru/Kichi helps more than just Gamabunta.

[hakusecond007]

wow guys mono earth is beast now!!!!!!!!!!1 i run it i have won 3 geini with it sense the realease of quest of power with dfc, it mihgt no have draw power but its is fun andd good n its goin to be so beast with hinata in captivity, neji naruto platoon, which is bringing back lighting earth dfc the new byugan justu , discard to cards from ur oppents hand2 also there is the new byugan justu's and mono earth toad is beast, the new gamachi sucks, but the new naruto, gama platoong, cause u run 3 of the er platoon,k it has toped in jonin's its goin to be pretty good and fun

[kcsuperman70]

wow guys mono earth is beast now!!!!!!!!!!1 i run it i have won 3 geini with it sense the realease of quest of power with dfc, it mihgt no have draw power but its is fun andd good n its goin to be so beast with hinata in captivity, neji naruto platoon, which is bringing back lighting earth dfc the new byugan justu , discard to cards from ur oppents hand2 also there is the new byugan justu's and mono earth toad is beast, the new gamachi sucks, but the new naruto, gama platoong, cause u run 3 of the er platoon,k it has toped in jonin's its goin to be pretty good and fun

Wow...a 50+ word sentence with horrid grammar FTL. =/

[shikamaru pwns anyone]

i would say wind or fire separte
but i combo of them idk

[Sazuki]

I go for wind decision, combo with anything that is awesome

[Evil Shikamaru]

I know for sure I'll have..
Fire/Wind Decisions
Mono-Water
Mono-Wind Over 9000
Mono-Lightning Toads

Still don't know how to utilize the earth cards.

Yes, I tested it too. 3 Buntas, 3 Naru/Kichi. I was just having issues with the early game ninjas and my mission/jutsu set up.

[shinigamimeijin]

Sorry to say, but attempts at catagorizing is ineffectual if your IQ is in the single digits :\

got to keep your public image up by cheap shotting someone huh

[Zero Master Of Percision]

got to keep your public image up by cheap shotting someone huh

Cheap shot? I merely work with what you give me :\

As for my "public image", Yes, cause making fun of an idiot shows people how awesome I am, I obviously only do this to get random children on a card site to like me, for NO other reason, and I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you meddling kids and your stupid dog :rolleyes:

In all seriousness though, you should probobly post less, it will make you appear smarter.


OH SNAP I DID IT AGAIN!

[shinigamimeijin]

Cheap shot? I merely work with what you give me :\

As for my "public image", Yes, cause making fun of an idiot shows people how awesome I am, I obviously only do this to get random children on a card site to like me, for NO other reason, and I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you meddling kids and your stupid dog :rolleyes:

In all seriousness though, you should probobly post less, it will make you appear smarter.


OH SNAP I DID IT AGAIN!

hey man youre the one jumping into conversations to get a little enjoyment out of making fun of a random person who was trying to set things right after some other stupid person got confused

[shikamaru pwns anyone]

In all seriousness though, you should probobly post less, it will make you appear smarter.
!

zero just because you do this does not make it true most of the "smart people" dont post for other reasons like they have other things to do i post alot because i dont have alot to do :(
but besides the point lets get back to the real discussion :cool:

[therealmariovr2.0]

hey man youre the one jumping into conversations to get a little enjoyment out of making fun of a random person who was trying to set things right after some other stupid person got confused

Don't worry about him, Zero always does this to people....no matter who they are! No point in arguing on a website, it gets none of us anywhere....especially with him. He plays with your head until he's satisfied, then walks away, like he's the coolest person ever. :p
I've been part of this site for a while, and still, he doesn't lose to anyone when it comes to arguing...Guess he is pretty awesome after all. Haha :)

[therealmariovr2.0]

Apparently my comment went over your head -_-

I wasnt saying smart people post less... I was saying that he should post less, cause he will look smarter, implying that he looks stupid every time he posts :\

See what I mean? Lol. Wish I had the time to fool around like this all the time... =/ too bad. ^^

[Zero Master Of Percision]

zero just because you do this does not make it true most of the "smart people" dont post for other reasons like they have other things to do i post alot because i dont have alot to do :(
but besides the point lets get back to the real discussion :cool:

Apparently my comment went over your head -_-

I wasnt saying smart people post less... I was saying that he should post less, cause he will look smarter, implying that he looks stupid every time he posts :\

[Evil Shikamaru]

I guess I'm going:
Over 9000
Mono-Water
Fire-Wind Decisions (In Deck Dojo)
Lightning-Earth (In Deck Dojo)

Until I see toads or byakugan win anything...I just don't believe they'll work. I also tested both and they failed....

[visserac88]

Wow dudes, bring Gama to a 5 drop....real nice.

Personally I would play naruto, platoon him with kichi.......Then on turn 3 platoon him again with the turn 6 Gama. Thus, dropping liquid bullets on turn 3!
I didn't bother on looking back at any effects.....so try not to quote me on this ^
Oh, then on turn 3 drop Reunion cuz of huge hand loss.
Although playing x3 of all thos cards could be suicidal.........that is, if you don't like running missions and more than 2 different jutsus =/


Cheap shot? I merely work with what you give me :\

As for my "public image", Yes, cause making fun of an idiot shows people how awesome I am, I obviously only do this to get random children on a card site to like me, for NO other reason, and I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you meddling kids and your stupid dog :rolleyes:
In all seriousness though, you should probobly post less, it will make you appear smarter.


OH SNAP I DID IT AGAIN!
lol, Epic post Zero
Am I the only one that got that slight joke??
Scooby doo FTW!!

We all know it wasn't “Scooby snacks”.......The real mystery was what's inside the box....

Shaggy and Scooby did have the munchies all the time didn't they?

Want to know why they had reruns all the time??
Rehab kids, it's called rehab.

[Evil Shikamaru]

We'll wait and see if the Toads make a dent in the meta...

[OneWingedAngel]

Wow dudes, bring Gama to a 5 drop....real nice.

Personally I would play naruto, platoon him with kichi.......Then on turn 3 platoon him again with the turn 6 Gama. Thus, dropping liquid bullets on turn 3!
I didn't bother on looking back at any effects.....so try not to quote me on this ^
Oh, then on turn 3 drop Reunion cuz of huge hand loss.
Although playing x3 of all thos cards could be suicidal.........that is, if you don't like running missions and more than 2 different jutsus =/
.

Everyone is concentrating on Bunta. If you platoon Nara/Kichi on turn 1 you can drop Ninja Toad in the same turn and he becomes a 6/0. Granted he can't play jutsus, but he'd be a 6/0 on turn 1.

[Sephiroth]

We'll wait and see if the Toads make a dent in the meta...

I'm pretty sure they will at least make a slight appearance in the top tier events. The only reason why Toads are so... annoying... is because of their unpredictability, their versatility and a portion of their Jutsu.

Searching for Toads always works -.-;

[Evil Shikamaru]

I'm pretty sure they will at least make a slight appearance in the top tier events. The only reason why Toads are so... annoying... is because of their unpredictability, their versatility and a portion of their Jutsu.

Searching for Toads always works -.-;

I tried many builds but it just doesn't seem to work for me.

Hopefully I'll find something that wins games.

[visserac88]

Everyone is concentrating on Bunta. If you platoon Nara/Kichi on turn 1 you can drop Ninja Toad in the same turn and he becomes a 6/0. Granted he can't play jutsus, but he'd be a 6/0 on turn 1.

dropping the early ninja toad could do some damage......But then you have to add in, "If Gaara/shika/cho wasn't around."
Still,after dropping the ninja toad.....platooning on turn 3 again isen't half bad =/

[OneWingedAngel]

dropping the early ninja toad could do some damage......But then you have to add in, "If Gaara/shika/cho wasn't around."
Still,after dropping the ninja toad.....platooning on turn 3 again isen't half bad =/

Gaara/Shika/Cho is a pain, thats why I main 3 Scapegoats. I think the best way for toads to work is to drop as many heavy hitters as early possible and swarm. All of the toads are searchable as of turn 3, so the real challenge is getting to turn 3 w/o missing any drops or getting beaten down.

[visserac88]

Gaara/Shika/Cho is a pain, thats why I main 3 Scapegoats. I think the best way for toads to work is to drop as many heavy hitters as early possible and swarm. All of the toads are searchable as of turn 3, so the real challenge is getting to turn 3 w/o missing any drops or getting beaten down.

The deck will do ok, unless you don't draw a naruto....sounds like 9000.

I ran scapegoat, but if he was to be used he had to take Shika's spot behind Gaara [tn]. Scapegoat just got in the way of the deck itself. Reunion is much more flexible than Scapegoat. Plus your opponent will the scapegoat almost a mile away, seeing that he needs to be present on the field.

[Evil Shikamaru]

Scapegoats sound like the power play in that deck.
But, I personally think running 3 Naruto, 2 Gamakichi, 2 Naruto/Gamakichi, 2 Ninja Toad and 3 Gamabunta Honor sounds the best. (2 Spapegoat also)

[visserac88]

Scapegoats sound like the power play in that deck.
But, I personally think running 3 Naruto, 2 Gamakichi, 2 Naruto/Gamakichi, 2 Ninja Toad and 3 Gamabunta Honor sounds the best. (2 Spapegoat also)

I'd go with one Kichi....Only to get that extra fraction differernce. And if the platoon is going to be a huge piece of the deck, I'd run it in 3's.

Once the platoon hits the field the other Narutos/Kichis/platoons will be tossed for Reunion/9th match. The deck is going to need a very good ratio of card-types if it's going to do good.

I doubt gaara [tn] will be even playable in this deck, because of sooo many mandatory ninjas. The only ninjas that will stand out the most for gaara will be Choji and Idate....maybe even add in temari [ws]

[OneWingedAngel]

I'd go with one Kichi....Only to get that extra fraction differernce. And if the platoon is going to be a huge piece of the deck, I'd run it in 3's.

Once the platoon hits the field the other Narutos/Kichis/platoons will be tossed for Reunion/9th match. The deck is going to need a very good ratio of card-types if it's going to do good.

I doubt gaara [tn] will be even playable in this deck, because of sooo many mandatory ninjas. The only ninjas that will stand out the most for gaara will be Choji and Idate....maybe even add in temari [ws]

Right now, I'm thinking about dropping the Nara/Bunta all together and concentrate on HitGW. The Nara/Kichi I'm gonna try 2 of and see If that works, if not I'll fit the third one in. I'm gonna main 3 Three Corner Deadlocks and hope that will make it unnecissary to run the toad in 3s, this way I free up some ninja spots. So many ideas to try out, good thing I don't have a life. lol

[Houkou_85]

The only good wind card I need from this set is
"Awakening the Monster" and if any good Lightning
negation comes out in this set (since how they haven't
made any ones that negate.) Then I will just have to
continue waiting.

I don't run any of the decks mentioned above so I
can't vote on which one I'm doing. All I am doing though
is modifying those decks in which I have already.

[Evil Shikamaru]

Right now, I'm thinking about dropping the Nara/Bunta all together and concentrate on HitGW. The Nara/Kichi I'm gonna try 2 of and see If that works, if not I'll fit the third one in. I'm gonna main 3 Three Corner Deadlocks and hope that will make it unnecissary to run the toad in 3s, this way I free up some ninja spots. So many ideas to try out, good thing I don't have a life. lol

Yeah, I'm running them in 2's other than HitGW.
And probably will run TCD.
But that makes it hard to fit in Toad Sages and Reunions.

[Card Slinger J]

Scapegoats sound like the power play in that deck.
But, I personally think running 3 Naruto, 2 Gamakichi, 2 Naruto/Gamakichi, 2 Ninja Toad and 3 Gamabunta Honor sounds the best. (2 Spapegoat also)

Only bad part is that your Opponent can still chump a Ninja with Gaara TN to deal 1 damage to Iruka [Scapegoat] If he's already in Injured Status and another point of damage from Choji with Shikamaru teamed up to another ninja, Paper Bomb possibly for another ping to Iruka, maybe...

Anyone checked out the new 8 Trigrams Palms Rotation? It's pretty much a super DFC for Taijutsu decks with Neji and Hizashi Hyuga infact the platoon itself is almost reminiscent of Sasuke [Beyond the Limits] where you can play the jutsu for free. Good thing it's mid game though...

Scapegoat is good but I like Iruka [Reward] better depending though, Analytical Analysis is good as well.

[OneWingedAngel]

Only bad part is that your Opponent can still chump a Ninja with Gaara TN to deal 1 damage to Iruka [Scapegoat] If he's already in Injured Status and another point of damage from Choji with Shikamaru teamed up to another ninja, Paper Bomb possibly for another ping to Iruka, maybe...

Anyone checked out the new 8 Trigrams Palms Rotation? It's pretty much a super DFC for Taijutsu decks with Neji and Hizashi Hyuga infact the platoon itself is almost reminiscent of Sasuke [Beyond the Limits] where you can play the jutsu for free. Good thing it's mid game though...

Scapegoat is good but I like Iruka [Reward] better depending though, Analytical Analysis is good as well.

I just pulled 8TPR today. I don't think it's that great because there are a limited number of users, plus earth doesn't build a lot of ckakra. I know that there's the platoon that play it for free, but I still don't think it's that good.

[Kisame8988]

Mono fire will become top meta, no doubt about it. Three great new missions, two new jutsus, and two more fire ninja helped it out a lot.

[Shino'sDad]

Toads, Believe It.

[Evil Shikamaru]

I like my Fire/Wind Decisons.
and I plan to build Toads.
And def keeping my Mono-Water and Over 9000.

Looks like Earth won't see much play...I personally don't like the new byakugan stuff. I just like HiC.

[x}{gaara}{x]

I Plan On Toads as well, but am not sure how to build it this is what i got:

3 Naruto LFTFH
2 Sakura ADP
2 Gamakichi
2 Choji UsF

3 Shika UsF
3 Naruto/Kichi

2 Iruka Goats

1 Tayuya S1

2 Ninja Toad

3 Jiraiya IOTHT

3 Gamabunta HITGW

3 Liquid Bullets
2 PaperBomb
2 Shadow Clone

3 Reunion
2 Toad Sage
2 Three Cornered deadlock

[visserac88]

Neji's Byakugan jutsus are really going to put Earth in a different direction away from DFC. Although I still feel Earth wont be a top deck, once it ever gets a good cycle missions like One morning….Earth would show far more promise.

Pretty sure the meta’s Toad build will depend on the player’s ability to create a deck. In short, toad will be the most recognizable build to define the player….decent, or good.

[ninjaspam]

i think earth/light byakugan could be ok. u get out the dad neji platoon and jiraiya with naruto and keep recycling the new sr byakugan jutsu and could be good. or maybe earth/wind to get draw power and use shizune ic to recyle jutsu.
anyways best deck is gonna be bee/fuma ftw.

[PwnedYourMeta]

Personally I expect all of the current top-tier decks like Over 9K will simply get stronger and remain on top while lower-tier decks like mono lightening will be given enough new options to lift the spirits of those who play them to the point that they will actually think that they are on par with the tier one decks. This idealism is always very prevalent at the beginning of a sets life cycle, it's inevitable; just like the theme decks and set-specific archetypes that everyone will think are "teh pwn" until grim reality slaps them in the face (BOD = Fuma, Chosen = Bees)

I'm not saying that there won't be boosts all around for every element, everyone is going to get something, but I think when the smoke clears and it is all over we will see very little variation from the current status quo. Sure there is going to be random dark horse decks like Toads making the top cuts on a semi-regular basis but I think that Wind, Fire, and Water will continue to dominate.

Personally I plan on making a Wind/Earth or Wind/Fire. I'm trying 9K out for the first time and I would like to mix it with some of the stuff from the new set. I've been leaning more towards Earth as my second type because of HIC but I'm beginning to wonder about its consistency. I mean if you are already losing all it will do is buy you time, unless you opponent feels like pitching the cards. There are a few situations where it would be pretty game-breaking but if it becomes as big a problem as some people think it will then it won't be too hard to tech against. I definitely think that every deck with Earth in it should use at least 1 though, even if it just warms the bench in your side-deck. What element do you guys think will compliment Wind the best after the new set comes out?

[Evil Shikamaru]

Personally I expect all of the current top-tier decks like Over 9K will simply get stronger and remain on top while lower-tier decks like mono lightening will be given enough new options to lift the spirits of those who play them to the point that they will actually think that they are on par with the tier one decks. This idealism is always very prevalent at the beginning of a sets life cycle, it's inevitable; just like the theme decks and set-specific archetypes that everyone will think are "teh pwn" until grim reality slaps them in the face (BOD = Fuma, Chosen = Bees)

I'm not saying that there won't be boosts all around for every element, everyone is going to get something, but I think when the smoke clears and it is all over we will see very little variation from the current status quo. Sure there is going to be random dark horse decks like Toads making the top cuts on a semi-regular basis but I think that Wind, Fire, and Water will continue to dominate.

Personally I plan on making a Wind/Earth or Wind/Fire. I'm trying 9K out for the first time and I would like to mix it with some of the stuff from the new set. I've been leaning more towards Earth as my second type because of HIC but I'm beginning to wonder about its consistency. I mean if you are already losing all it will do is buy you time, unless you opponent feels like pitching the cards. There are a few situations where it would be pretty game-breaking but if it becomes as big a problem as some people think it will then it won't be too hard to tech against. I definitely think that every deck with Earth in it should use at least 1 though, even if it just warms the bench in your side-deck. What element do you guys think will compliment Wind the best after the new set comes out?

Wind/Fire is what I'm going with.
Running the Decisions draw engine.

[visserac88]

Personally I expect all of the current top-tier decks like Over 9K will simply get stronger and remain on top while lower-tier decks like mono lightening will be given enough new options to lift the spirits of those who play them to the point that they will actually think that they are on par with the tier one decks. This idealism is always very prevalent at the beginning of a sets life cycle, it's inevitable; just like the theme decks and set-specific archetypes that everyone will think are "teh pwn" until grim reality slaps them in the face (BOD = Fuma, Chosen = Bees)

I'm not saying that there won't be boosts all around for every element, everyone is going to get something, but I think when the smoke clears and it is all over we will see very little variation from the current status quo. Sure there is going to be random dark horse decks like Toads making the top cuts on a semi-regular basis but I think that Wind, Fire, and Water will continue to dominate.

Personally I plan on making a Wind/Earth or Wind/Fire. I'm trying 9K out for the first time and I would like to mix it with some of the stuff from the new set. I've been leaning more towards Earth as my second type because of HIC but I'm beginning to wonder about its consistency. I mean if you are already losing all it will do is buy you time, unless you opponent feels like pitching the cards. There are a few situations where it would be pretty game-breaking but if it becomes as big a problem as some people think it will then it won't be too hard to tech against. I definitely think that every deck with Earth in it should use at least 1 though, even if it just warms the bench in your side-deck. What element do you guys think will compliment Wind the best after the new set comes out?

........a 9000 HiC lover with big words.......
Fire blows
gaara/shika/cho still pwns all

[Vachaox]

........a 9000 HiC lover with big words.......
Fire blows
gaara/shika/cho still pwns all

thats why you run fire WITH gaara/shika/cho

[ninjaspam]

i like mono wind with a pinch of light. naruto and jiraiya recycling is just good and u get reunion lol but wind u have 2 good draw missions dont know if u need reunion.

[visserac88]

thats why you run fire WITH gaara/shika/cho
Then you can run the new Itachi that draws for every ninja you discard......i bet you will never draw more than zero cards because Gaara [tn] will already be throwing your ninjas away.
I already said b4, Gaara [tn] is best when he is dishing out non-wanted used ninjas like Choji, idate, ws, and hayate [dap] in some cases. Funny how most of those cards are not fire type. Gaara [tn]'s best start is played after idate-Naruto's turn other than Nawaki and Shika/Sasuke.
Sure any deck can run Gaara/shika/cho and they are the best flexible team in the meta, but while playing in a deck that uses mandatory ninjas like Kakashi, Itach, uchiha parents, apw, and Sasuke....your giving your Gaara [tn] less flexability.

Another problem with Fire, is that most of your growthed low drop ninjas are off type. So your going to have usless chakra and cards in your hand. Once Fire gets another playable growth low drop, it should be more playable.

Maybe a zero drop growthed kiba with an effect that's on par too Adp, choji, and cop. =/
lol maybe an effect like::
male/Genin/Growth
During the exchange of jutsu you can discard 1 card from the top of your opponents deck. This effect can be used twice per turn. This ninja gets +2/-0 for each card discarded from your opponents deck due to this effect.

[chibionineko]

Maybe a zero drop growthed kiba with an effect that's on par too Adp, choji, and cop. =/
lol maybe an effect like::
male/Genin/Growth
During the exchange of jutsu you can discard 1 card from the top of your opponents deck. This effect can be used twice per turn. This ninja gets +2/-0 for each card discarded from your opponents deck due to this effect.

um every turn make kiba a 6 and mill 2 cards... you didn't put much though into that did you? it would have to drop the +2 part all together for it not to be uberbroken. how about:
[Blind Tunneling]
During the excange of justu you may discard X number of cards from the top of your opponents deck by giving this ninja's team, -X team power and -X team mental power. The maximum value of x is 2.

a more viable option is for them to simply release rin and obito but I doubt that will happen.

[uchiha freak]

sorry for asking this noob question but what is meta

[chibionineko]

sorry for asking this noob question but what is meta

now that is hard to explain. Basically it is a inner understanding of what your opponents will be using and building your deck to combat their decks. it is the classic "but if he knows that I know that he knows that I know" situation.
The term comes from pen and paper RPGs originally used as meta-game thinking. though this term doesn't exactly transition to card games.
Example: team comes to a giant hole in the middle of a path though a castle and it appears to have been built that way. the game thinker says, "there must be a way across since the place was designed this way for its original users." the meta-game thinker says, "there must be a way across or our dungon master wouldn't have put it here."

in cards we do: if 50% of my opponents will be playing a garra ip deck then I should have unfading affection or ground fissure. if everyone is using shikamaru usf then I should run 3 watchman (if you can find them, lol).

[kirbyrocks101]

u forgot water -_-
but of course,once again,it seems they have noting for water T^T

[Thayli]

Personally i think that water and lightening will both take a hit from this set. Namely due to the new anko who decimates their best draw cards. Meanwhile fire is really on the rise again thanks to great draw cards like drifting clouds and shadow in the moonlight. A huge improvement on tora and the other wimpy draw cards (surprise and the nerfed inherits). Then theres that kakashi who combos great with the new pakun (BRs into hand? yeah thats pretty good though the o/o hurts him).

Water had some moderate gains but nothing game breaking. Water has some sick jutsus and orochi helps them to use them better. Zabuza is simply a very solid card, he took dosu (before formation) to a whole new level. Opponents will be scared into not attacking.

Wind seems to be securing a place as the best negation with that new reversal jutsu.

Lightening got anko who i have to say is possibly my favorite card in the set. With her good healthy and injured stats she makes a good addition anywhere and with that ability she dominates draw missions like reunion and appearance. And then theres that weapon combat attribute, perhaps an oppertunity for blade of the thunder god to see some use? Then theres the toads. Early bunta is nothing to laugh at. Hes got that nasty jutsu that kills any ninja. I also dont doubt that people will come out with a deck to get the BRs needed. Still its basically an intervention deck, and as such it has the same flaws.

Earth of course picked up hinata in capitivity, expect to see that one run in almost every earth deck. Then theres the hyugas, that jutsu of theirs is rather versatile. However the luck factor is a tad bothersome, while you are guaranteed a good effect not being able to chose which one hurts it. Still the jutsu immunity portion makes it the ultimate counter.

[Zero Master Of Percision]

Then you can run the new Itachi that draws for every ninja you discard......i bet you will never draw more than zero cards because Gaara [tn] will already be throwing your ninjas away.
I already said b4, Gaara [tn] is best when he is dishing out non-wanted used ninjas like Choji, idate, ws, and hayate [dap] in some cases. Funny how most of those cards are not fire type. Gaara [tn]'s best start is played after idate-Naruto's turn other than Nawaki and Shika/Sasuke.
Sure any deck can run Gaara/shika/cho and they are the best flexible team in the meta, but while playing in a deck that uses mandatory ninjas like Kakashi, Itach, uchiha parents, apw, and Sasuke....your giving your Gaara [tn] less flexability.

Another problem with Fire, is that most of your growthed low drop ninjas are off type. So your going to have usless chakra and cards in your hand. Once Fire gets another playable growth low drop, it should be more playable.


Instead of quoting you and breaking up each part of your post to make comments on everything you said, I'm just going to say: You are wrong.

[Kisame8988]

Another problem with Fire, is that most of your growthed low drop ninjas are off type. So your going to have usless chakra and cards in your hand. Once Fire gets another playable growth low drop, it should be more playable.


http://www.bandaicg.com/naruto/cardlists_detail.php?s=9&c=n326

http://www.bandaicg.com/naruto/cardlists_detail.php?s=7&c=n225


You can pretty much change "fire" in the quote with "water" and "wind" as well. Water has nothing growthable, and Wind only has Sakura, yet people seem to work around that.

[visserac88]

Instead of quoting you and breaking up each part of your post to make comments on everything you said, I'm just going to say: You are wrong.

A bit, I wanted to deleate the whole deal but when I was half done I just bullS*** the rest. But I still feel Itachi could be better....At least he has Leaf for SA.
I also feel Gaara [tn] can't do much damage with fire.

[visserac88]

A bit, I wanted to deleate the whole deal but when I was half done I just bullS*** the rest. But I still feel Itachi could be better....At least he has Leaf for SA.
I also feel Gaara [tn] can't do much damage with fire.

Edit:: Your main deck Fire or have you switched from your last Jonin??

[Evil Shikamaru]

I personally think that Mono-Fire isn't that great.
Neither is toads. I seem to beat them both...easily.
Byakugan is just meh...decent but not game winning.

[Evil Shikamaru]

Hinata in Captivity :) that's the only card I see that I think will have a huge and immediate impact.

Yes, but Byakugan as a whole just isn't all that great.

[akira]

Hinata in Captivity :) that's the only card I see that I think will have a huge and immediate impact.

[Zero Master Of Percision]

A bit, I wanted to deleate the whole deal but when I was half done I just bullS*** the rest. But I still feel Itachi could be better....At least he has Leaf for SA.
I also feel Gaara [tn] can't do much damage with fire.

Itachi is ****, which is why he isnt run :\

Gaara Shika Cho + Suicidal action = GFG.
Using TWO to continuosly pick up WS temari to knock out a jutsu, then throw with gaara for dmg = GFG
Using tide, then dropping gaara to finish them = GFG.

I just dont see how fire and gaara dont mix -_-

[visserac88]

Itachi is ****, which is why he isnt run :\

Gaara Shika Cho + Suicidal action = GFG.
Using TWO to continuosly pick up WS temari to knock out a jutsu, then throw with gaara for dmg = GFG
Using tide, then dropping gaara to finish them = GFG.

I just dont see how fire and gaara dont mix -_-
To be honest I thought you would pull some crap to defend Itachi lol
Tide is a B**** of a card >.>
TWO is beast and you have a point with the Gaara/shika/cho/SA combo.

I'm gonna give fire a try, only because That awesome new sasuke is out.

Still feel fire has too many mandatory ninjas.

[Arcane_Wolf]

Hinata in Captivity :) that's the only card I see that I think will have a huge and immediate impact.

Lightning Blade looks like a beast too.

Cons:

1 User
The User is a turn 5 ...

Pros:

The User should be in your Fire Deck anyways x3 >.>
The User has Sharingan Eye
Great Damage effect
Lol Pump Effect
UNFANNABLE (Biggest Point =D)
Epic Art
Epic Quote