3rd Hokage vs 4th Hokage

[Itachi]

I have to go with fourth hokage because he sealed the Fox and he has the GIANT toad

[Naruto#1]

I have to go with fourth hokage because he sealed the Fox and he has the GIANT toadSame here :D

[GaiOkashiiNingen]

I'm sorry, a monkey and a stick will beat a toad any day. Plus both know Shiki Fuujin.

Sandaime all the way.

[jpcali]

I go with Sarutobi... cause he's the one that taught the Sannin... and Jiraiya, a student of Sandaime, was the master of Yondaime....

[Itachi]

this is a close one
3-3rd Hokage
4-4th hokage isn't it ironic
3 for the third hokage and 4 for the fourth

[talyhawk]

I'm going with Sarutobi on this one, both were great Hokage's. In my mind though the third stands out more.

[Neji+Chouji]

4th will killl 3rd

[Itachi]

its kind of avious

[onceaprep]

You have to remember the 4th became the 4th because he is strongest ninja in the villiage. Then he died so the 3rd had to pick it up again.

[Hinata]

I have to go with fourth hokage because he sealed the Fox and he has the GIANT toad
*shivers* toads, eww! but still he did get the fox so 4th hokage

[Kakihara]

Yea, the 4th is stated as one of the Greatest shinobi EVER, and Orochimaru is up there by him.....

[KakashioftheSharingan]

4th Hokage.:D

[Neji+Chouji]

He has a toad a toad!
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e206/babyvi3tboy/froggy.gif
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e206/babyvi3tboy/gamaboss.gif

[Kakihara]

No, but I've never seen so many Naruto GIFs :eek:

[MamodoMaster0]

Fourth Hokage cuz' he's Narutos dad

[Itachi]

He has a toad a toad!
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e206/babyvi3tboy/froggy.gif
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e206/babyvi3tboy/gamaboss.gif
Those toads are very cool

[KakashioftheSharingan]

Fourth Hokage cuz' he's Narutos dad

how did you find that out, did I miss it?

[Rock Lee]

how did you find that out, did I miss it?

Careful with the quote tags, everyone--the spoilers show up on those. My recommendation...

Fourth Hokage cuz' he's (Spoiler Removed)

I hadn't heard or seen anything about that either...

[nara-shikamaru]

me being behind in the manga readin, have not heard of that being true, but merely have assumed as much all along

[sexy_no_jitsu]

Fourth Hokage cuz' he's Narutos dad


it could only be a personal thought, maybe because the 4th looks alot like naruto, so some people are just putting two and two together....when i comes out i wont be surpised, but i think thats wht masashi kishimoto was goin for...it will come out in the wierest way like narutos mother comes back, or a family memeber will tell him, or maybe the 4ths best friend who know....i havent read or heard anything about that at all...wondering were u herd that

[Mega_Emperor]

I said the fourth because he sealed that demon.

[Neji+Chouji]

I said the fourth because he sealed that demon.
YEah the Kyuubi
ps.wanna be friends

[Mega_Emperor]

YEah the Kyuubi
ps.wanna be friends

Yeah sure........

[KakashioftheSharingan]

Yeah sure........

Do not fear, for Tom is here.

Were friends too.:D

Don't act afraid:mad:

[Mega_Emperor]

Do not fear, for Tom is here.

Were friends too.:D

Don't act afraid:mad:

The only thing I was afraid of when I came here was that someone would make fun of me cause I came from www.digimonccg.com

[sexy_no_jitsu]

The only thing I was afraid of when I came here was that someone would make fun of me cause I came from www.digimonccg.com


well the only thing that im wonder is how old u r....its cool to like digimon...hell i like it and im 20 years old...lol.....i havent watched it in awhile but w/e...as long as ur a naruto fan who cares....lol:) :)

[Mega_Emperor]

well the only thing that im wonder is how old u r....its cool to like digimon...hell i like it and im 20 years old...lol.....i havent watched it in awhile but w/e...as long as ur a naruto fan who cares....lol:) :)


I'm really 14 but everyone on the digimon site thinks I'm 13.

[sexy_no_jitsu]

cool....like i said theres nothing wrong with watching other show....wondering though how u get into naruto...from wht u have been saying it doesnt seem u know alot like everyone else here does

[Mega_Emperor]

cool....like i said theres nothing wrong with watching other show....wondering though how u get into naruto...from wht u have been saying it doesnt seem u know alot like everyone else here does

I just saw some commercials and I decided to watch it.

[Rock Lee]

The only thing I was afraid of when I came here was that someone would make fun of me cause I came from www.digimonccg.com

Don't let that intimidate you. So did I, and there are a few others. But that's better discussed here:

http://www.bandaicg.com/naruto/showthread.php?t=45

[Mega_Emperor]

Don't let that intimidate you. So did I, and there are a few others. But that's better discussed here:

http://www.bandaicg.com/naruto/showthread.php?t=45


No problem.I'll check it out.

[GaiOkashiiNingen]

Guys, back on topic. Save chatting for PM or IM.

[Volcan300]

I'm not sure... we haven't really seen the 4th Hokage in action, also he died too... The 3rd died too so... this question is unknown.

[Mega_Emperor]

I'm not sure... we haven't really seen the 4th Hokage in action, also he died too... The 3rd died too so... this question is unknown.

Yeah but who looked the most powerful.

[Kakihara]

I don't know why everyone is so indecisive, BTW the 4th is blond he looks like this: http://mistafishwrx.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/yondaime.jpg.w180h252.jpg

[KakashioftheSharingan]

I don't know why everyone is so indecisive, BTW the 4th is blond he looks like this: http://mistafishwrx.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/yondaime.jpg.w180h252.jpg

He looked like a tripod ad?

[sexy_no_jitsu]

the question is who is better the 3rd or the 4th, valcon300 is right its unknow, untill in the serise where they get to the 4th's past, when that happens this question could be better answered.....

[Yako9]

:Dif you want to get into detail.......

Fourth + Third + sidewalk= Third Hokage brains all over the ground.
Then the brains shall feed a family of godzilla sized vampire toads:):D

[RockLee56887]

There is a problem with this pairing...

The Sandaime lived to be in his 60s. Yondaime lived only into his 40s maybe.

Overall....Sandaime lived to master more things, while Yondaime had the Potential to be the greater ninja. Sandaime took on Orochimaru, Shodaime, and Nidaime, and still was almost able to take the lives of all 3...sure one could make the argument that Sandiame did it using a technique the 4th Hokage created....but thats irrelevent.

At their dieing days...Staring down the 9 Nine Tailed Fox Demon or Orochimaru, Shodaime, and Nidaime....Both were not able to save the village without having to take their own lives.

Alot could be said that both still have alot of training to do to become greater ninjas, but like I said. Overall Sandaime is and was Stronger and a more powerful ninja then Yondaime. However...given Yondaime died eariler...he had greater protential to pass Sandaime if he lived to be his age.

[Yako9]

hwat (yeah.I did that on purpose) are you talking about?
Wait. I know. You are a ninja psychiatrist!!!!!:eek:

But The fourth would curb stomp the old terd known as the third.
Toads would be fed for a half hour.


You sir, are a bad psychiatrist!!!!!!:mad: Don't expect my recommendation!

I should make a flash animation on the fourth crushing the third in every evil way I can think of::o:rolleyes:

[Gaara_]

The 4th is hailed as the strongest ninja who ever lived. He's MUCH faster than the 3rd, was able to seal the strongest being (Nine Tailed), made the Rasengan, and could summon a giant toad.

Giant frog with a sword > Hairy monkey with a stick

[10-Tails Navdeep]

The 4th is hailed as the strongest ninja who ever lived. He's MUCH faster than the 3rd, was able to seal the strongest being (Nine Tailed), made the Rasengan, and could summon a giant toad.

Giant frog with a sword > Hairy monkey with a stick

A stick that can become huge and smash the frog into the pavement..
3rd>4th
Don't mess with the monkey staff, it likes to go smashy smashy.

[tobi is obito]

fourth would so win:p

[chidorikakashi]

I go with the third...fo sure haters

[Mecha]

Yeah I know its obious choice but I have to say 4th Hokage over 3th Hokage. Well 3th Hokage was surely still powerful at old age to fight both resurected 1st Hokage and resurected 2nd Hokage but 4th Hokage surpassed him many ways while he still lived.

[slynara]

i think it depends on how you look at it....if you compare them at the end of their lives, it would have to be the fourth for he's younger and still in his prime and the 3rd lost a lot of his power, i think that's what he said during sand/sound invasion, on the other hand, the 3rd has more experience and jutsu so in that case, the 3rd would win... but if you compared them when they were both in their prime, i think that the fourth would win for he is the Yellow Flash and like others have said, to be hail as the strongest ninja to ever lived...

[Mireille, Lord of Win]

The 4th is naruto's dad they said so in the manga

o and i voted 4th because i wasnt paying attention.The third wasnt called the God of Shinobi for nothing, i think the 3rd would win

[Klatuu]

Dude >.>

The Third couldve sealed the Fox as well.....
Hes the one who taught that move to the 4th

[Ninetailedfox100]

people stop necromancing ooooooooooooold threads:mad:

[hahonryuu]

itd be amazing to see them RDS eachother XD

they keep bribing the death god with more and more stuff so it sides with one of them :p <like itd matter since they'd die anyway...and theyed be locked in eternal combat in its stomache forever as well>

gotta go with the 4th...if the 3rd was in his prime, then we'd talk, but theres no way the older 4th could keep up with the leafs yellow flash. be one helluva fight though

[Sunnny_Day]

oh man, it's a hard decision here lol.

3rd Hokage's so cool, and at his old age he took on the resurrected 1st Hokage and 2nd Hokage.
Plus he's the craziest like a monk! who summons the Monkey King! and a huge staff that goes insane! Ahhh, i wouldn't know. I just love the thing and theme they did there with the 3rd Hokage,

4th Hokage is just too crazy with his sorta instant transmission thing though. A message to other village shinobis, "if you run into the yellow flash, you should flee on sight"
ahah dang thats crazy too!

and yeah, they both should definitely RDS one another and see what happens.

i can't decide, goes on a coin toss....

Third Hokage got the flip x)

[plebeianprint]

that's a good question. on one hand we saw the 3rd a lot, but it was generally just him being a chilled out older leader. yet when he had to step up we saw him do some awesome things.

with the 4th we know of his amazing legend, and every time that we encounter him he's doing something amazing again. he was also taught by jiraiya, one of my faves.

yes, the 4th saved the village from the 9 tailed fox, but i think that the 3rd saved the village from orochimaru and the sound.

it's rough, but i'm going with 4th.

[codecatx5]

um I'm going with the 4th simply because HotV is the only card that has no flavor text which makes him litterally the most epics card ever. Then he sealed the nine tailed fox then he had a flee on site order in the 3rd ninja war
could friggin teleport and kill armies invented the rasengan used bunta was taught by jiraiya his son is the main character of the show

I mean the third was awesome but just not better than the fourth

Thirds mortal enemy : orochimaru
fourths morta enemy : giant natural disaster chakra beast called the nine tailed fox

Fourth wins

[elijah.dowdy]

The fourth hokage because he is fast when it comes to attacks.

[shikamaru_of_hebi]

putting all fan girls aside for this agruement i think the third wins!

[Yako9]

The Fourth Hokage sealed the nine-tailed fox, which I may remind you has virtually Limitless chakra. He also has a toad that would probably do well in a fight against godzilla.


The third is sime old dude with a Staff and a monkey. He also got the reaper death seal from the fourth and was only able to seal Orochimaru's arm.

Fourth-Instant Transmission thing top speed: light
Third-Old guy run/walk speed top speed: 10 mph



Results: Fourth instahits third with rasengan. Then, he cuts off apigs head and give the third the swine flu and leaves him to dieX(). THE FOURTH FTWX):D:D:D

[mastercj16]

I'll end this once and for all!

3rd Hokage:
- Summons Monkey King
- Can use RDS
- Knows all non-unique jutsu
- Considered Strongest Hokage
- Taught Jiraiya, who taught the 4th(aka- knows his moves)
- Old

4th Hokage:
- Summons Giant Toad
- Can use RDS
- Moves at speed of Light
- Young

In the battle we think would happen (Old 3rd vs In-his-prime 4th) the winner is:
4th Hokage

In the battle that should happen (In-his-prime 3rd vs In-his-prime 4th) the winner is:
3rd Hokage

[hahonryuu]

I'll end this once and for all!

3rd Hokage:
- Summons Monkey King
- Can use RDS
- Knows all non-unique jutsu
- Considered Strongest Hokage
- Taught Jiraiya, who taught the 4th(aka- knows his moves)
- Old

4th Hokage:
- Summons Giant Toad
- Can use RDS
- Moves at speed of Light
- Young

In the battle we think would happen (Old 3rd vs In-his-prime 4th) the winner is:
4th Hokage

In the battle that should happen (In-his-prime 3rd vs In-his-prime 4th) the winner is:
3rd Hokage

to be fair, this is an anime...old people in anime and old kung fu movies are always the most badass lol

i question how the 3rd will respond to bunta <not that im saying he cant, and im certainly not dissing on him, the 3rd rules..just saying>its possible he has a giant monkey but i doubt it since enma is the king and something tells me that a bigger monkey MIGHT want to assume power over the monkeys lol. and handle hiraishin...a technique that not only allowed the 4th to pretty much decimate huge amounts of soldiers by himself almost instantly, but also made him powerful enough to warrent the stone village <1 of the 5 strongest btw> to order all ninjas who come in contact with him to retreat. an entire village trained to stay the **** away from him. the 3rds only chance would be to either not let hiraishin happen or to unleash some super move we havent seen

of course thats just speculation


and about that strongest hokage comment...pretty much every hokage has been called the strongest at some point in the show/manga, and rightfully so


1st: controlled all bijuu, can create forests

2nd: can use high level water jutsu without the need for large bodies of water, and in one of those side things at the end of one episode naruto said that he was known to have the greatest combat abilities or something like that

3rd: master of **** near every jutsu known to the leaf village with few exceptions <kekkei genkai, specific summons, rasengan, hiraishin, chidori,gentle fist techniques, higher level gai techniques* and some other unique jutsus>

4th: saved the village, took spatial recomposition to its highest level, can take out armies all by his lonesome

5th: is physically the strongest lol, is a sannin, and jiraiya says she has unrivaled medical ninjutsu combined with unrivaled skills as a warrior, or something like that

but, as kakashi, and im pretty sure others, have said, "the next generation always surpasses the older one" so doesnt that kinda hint at the 4th being the best?

im not trying to argue, just a friendly debate

[Gaara_]

I remember reading multiple times that the 4th was Konoha's best ninja. And besides, the 3rd couldn't even beat Orochimaru, and even if just with his speed, the 4th could've done it easily, since he was also able to contain the world's second strongest entity (9-tailed).

[Mecha]

And besides, the 3rd couldn't even beat Orochimaru, and even if just with his speed, the 4th could've done it easily

There is problem in that argument. Fourth Hokage never fought against Orochimaru while Third Hokage did. Also not only Third Hokage fought and held his own aghainst Orochimaru, he also did so while fighting both resurected First Hokage and Second Hokage. And he did this all in his old age.

[gaara_kazekage]

I have to go with fourth hokage because he sealed the Fox and he has the GIANT toad

i will have to say the same

[codecatx5]

There is problem in that argument. Fourth Hokage never fought against Orochimaru while Third Hokage did. Also not only Third Hokage fought and held his own aghainst Orochimaru, he also did so while fighting both resurected First Hokage and Second Hokage. And he did this all in his old age.

well unfortunately the fourth didn't live to become the age of the old **** but even if they were the same age Fourth would have still won that match and here is my reasoning:

1. It's been stated that the fourth was the best ninja produced by the leaf village.
2. He invented the RDS
3. He invented the Rasengan
4. not only did he seal the Fox but instead of sealing him the way that orochimaru's arms were he sealed it in his son.
5.He had acsess to toad summoning
6. he did Jiraiya's training which likely means he even knew how to use sage mode (evidence in in the chapter where naruto is about to fight pain and they the older toads say do you remember those stances)
7.His own instant teleportation jutsu
8. his flee on sight order in the third ninja war

[ShariganEyedJack]

Sandaime had learnt every jutsu in the village by the age of 8. Sorry Yondaime.

[Akatsuki Tobi]

the third he is called professor for a reason:rolleyes:
Also orochimaru would have been the 4th if only he didnt look like a creeper and do experiments

[Yako9]

the third he is called professor for a reason:rolleyes:
Also orochimaru would have been the 4th if only he didnt look like a creeper and do experiments

Yeah, but did the Third seal an infinite Chakra Rabbit,Cat,Dog Creature with anger issues and 9 Giant Tails? I didn't think so. Plus, Oro IS a creeper and the Fourth we ended up with is much more badass.

Did the Fourth stalk people, take their bodies and only associate with men after he reached insanity? Was he insnae? NO.

Fourth wins, end of thread.

[NarutoSasuke777]

who would vote 4 the third? he is an old freak

[hahonryuu]

well unfortunately the fourth didn't live to become the age of the old **** but even if they were the same age Fourth would have still won that match and here is my reasoning:

1. It's been stated that the fourth was the best ninja produced by the leaf village.as i said before, pretty much all the hokage have been called the strongest at some point in the anime/manga
2. He invented the RDS 3rd knows it too, inventing it means nothing
3. He invented the Rasengan read the above
4. not only did he seal the Fox but instead of sealing him the way that orochimaru's arms were he sealed it in his son. and this is an argument...how?
5.He had acsess to toad summoning
6. he did Jiraiya's training which likely means he even knew how to use sage mode (evidence in in the chapter where naruto is about to fight pain and they the older toads say do you remember those stances) what site do your read your manga at. pm me, mine said a similar yet different thing, but different enough to change the meaning and NOT infer he knew sage mode. i mean he probably did but theres no evidence of it other than who his teacher was
7.His own instant teleportation jutsu agreed and
8. his flee on sight order in the third ninja war agreed

mind you i voted for the 4th, but very few of your agruments were really...arguments

Sandaime had learnt every jutsu in the village by the age of 8. Sorry Yondaime.

ummm i dont rememebr it sayign that anwhere. not in the anime, not in the manga, not in the data books. i know it said more than once that he learned every jutsu <besides the obvious> but it never said WHEN. and i highly doubt it was 8, no matter how good he was.

[ShariganEyedJack]

mind you i voted for the 4th, but very few of your agruments were really...arguments



ummm i dont rememebr it sayign that anwhere. not in the anime, not in the manga, not in the data books. i know it said more than once that he learned every jutsu <besides the obvious> but it never said WHEN. and i highly doubt it was 8, no matter how good he was.

Can't remember where but long ago they said that 3rd learnt every jutsu in the village before he became hokage. Flashback moment when a very young Sarutobi (easily under ten) looks up at the backs of the First and Second and they tell him that "starting tomorrow, you will be Hokage." It does exist, I just can't remember where. Maybe I'll look for it one day.

[Ninetailedfox100]

who would vote 4 the third? he is an old freak

You are an old freak

[Gaara_]

You are an old freak

Your mom's an old freak.

[Yako9]

ummm i dont rememebr it sayign that anwhere. not in the anime, not in the manga, not in the data books. i know it said more than once that he learned every jutsu did he learn these by stalking kids and forcing them to teach him? (which is sad to learn a technique from a kid) <besides the obvious> but it never said WHEN. and i highly doubt it was 8(Try 80:D), no matter how good he was.Which is noobish compared to the Fourth:D Yes, I am resorting to childish behavior, I don't care anymore.:p[/QUOTE]

[hahonryuu]

Your mom's an old freak.

your moms face is an old freak :cool:

[Kage_konoha]

The Third would win, but only if he was younger.

[ShariganEyedJack]

ummm i dont rememebr it sayign that anwhere. not in the anime, not in the manga, not in the data books. i know it said more than once that he learned every jutsu did he learn these by stalking kids and forcing them to teach him? (which is sad to learn a technique from a kid) <besides the obvious> but it never said WHEN. and i highly doubt it was 8(Try 80:D), no matter how good he was.Which is noobish compared to the Fourth:D Yes, I am resorting to childish behavior, I don't care anymore.:p

Fine I'll go hunt....*grumble grumble*

[Deidara 360]

the 4th. the 3rd would have forgotten where he and would have crapped in his pants was cause he was old :p

[Gaara_]

your moms face is an old freak :cool:

Ha ha, I am immune.

[hahonryuu]

Ha ha, I am immune.

your mom was immune last night...

[konohamaru_009]

I've taken the time to review this thread and I respect every one's opinions on this topic. This has been the subject of a much heated debate. First of all I'd like to state my opinion out right before going into detail. I think that the 3rd Hokage is superior to the 4rth and here is why.

The 4rth's crowning achievement has always been that he defeated the nine tailed fox and I'm not knocking it by any means. However taking the time to analyze the details remember that while battling Kyuubi the 4rth was fighting along side Gamabunta. Lets remember how powerful Gamabunta is on his own so it is not like the 4rth single handily defeated Kyuubi. In addition there are nine tailed beasts in Naruto that we know all of them with the exception of the 2 tails have been sealed. This means that other ninjas have succeeded in doing the same thing that the 4rth did.

In theory all it takes to seal a beast is a powerful sealing jutsu and precise uninterrupted charkra manipulation. The attempted sealing of the 2 tails is proof of this. For all we know Gamabunta just layed the smack down on Kyuubi long enough for the 4rth to perform the sealing jutsu because essentially it was the sealing jutsu that did the trick. I'm pretty sure the 4rth wasn't physically trying to oppose the Kyuubi so common sense says its pretty safe to assume that Gamabunta was doing his share of the heavy lifting.

Now it is common knowledge that Sarutobi is credited with possessing the knowledge of all jutsu in the village of Konoha (with the exception of special abilities/ justu that are inherited such as bloodline limits, etc.) which earned him the nickname of professor. Sarutobi was also called the god of all ninja. Aside from this he taught the legendary sannin including the 4rth's teacher Jiraiya. Aside from this Sarutobi became hokage at a very very young age and was the only hokage to serve 2 terms in office. After the 4rth died the higher ups could have insisted on a sannin to serve as the next hokage as they did when they offered the title to Jiraiya, but they did not. Even though he was past his prime Sarutobi was chosen yet again to become hokage. If that isn't awesome enough Sarutobi took on Orochimaru, along with the resurrected 1st, and 2nd hokages simultaneously and ultimately defeated them when he was a shadow of his former self. It was clearly stated that his abilities and chakra capacity has declined significantly since his younger years, but he still won the fight. If Sarutobi could defeat two former kages and a sannin at the same time as an old man imagine what he must have been capable of when he was in his prime. I've also done some research and that research suggests that monkey king Enma is thought to be the strongest of summon creatures. More research is needed to verify it for certain, but it is something to think about.

The 3rd's legacy compared to the 4rth's legacy:
Sarutobi's legacy is the great Konohamaru the ninja fated to be the 6th hokage. How many ninjas have executed multiple sneek attacks on a hokage and live to tell the tale? :)

The 4rth's legacy is Naruto....... not exactly the brightest bulb in the chandelier. Lets face it we'll be lucky if this kid ever passes the chuunin exams. Yeeeeah... :(

Another interesting point to note is right around the time when Orochimaru was a in line to become hokage. The only reason Orochimaru was not chosen was because Sarutobi discovered the evil in his heart. This leads me to wonder if the 4rth was so amazing as many people say then why was he second choice?

Some argue that the 4rth would defeat Sarutobi because he was the yellow flash, but we all know that it takes much more than speed to win a fight. Sarutobi knew just about every jutsu that existed in konoha. I'm pretty sure he could use one or a combination of those techniques to put the brakes on the yellow flash. Others say that the development of Rasengan proves the 4rths prowess. I'm not knocking Rasengan by any means, but we all know of at least a couple of other weaker ninjas that can use Rasengan with relative ease. Not only that Naruto was able to invent the Rasenshuriken, which is WAY better than the Rasengan that the 4rth created and Naruto sucks. I thought is was kinda funny when they said the Rasengan was an incomplete jutsu because the 4rth couldn't figure out how to take it to the next level. All Naruto did was make a shadow clone and presto he surpassed the 4rth. and Naruto did it in a few days didn't he? LoL. I guess the 4rth wasn't much on brains then. Like father like son I suppose. I've also heard many people say that the 4rth would win because he could defeat an army by himself. Lets think about this for a second. Isn't it possible for any high level ninja to do the same? Heck Sasuke killed 1000 ninjas single handily without so much as getting a single drop of blood on him (Shippuden episode 92). Sasuke can do that and he isn't even close to being on the Hokage level. If Sasuke can do it any high level ninja can.

In conclusion I'm not saying that the 4rth was a push over. I'm simply saying that all the evidence points to the 3rd being superior.

The 4rth's greatest hour was when he sealed the nine tailed fox, but other ninjas succeeded in sealing away tailed beasts just like he did. The sealing of tailed beasts is something we've seen done before, but how often do you see an old man lay the smack down on two hokages and a sannin all in the same fight?

I'm sure that defeating two former hokages and a legendary sannin simultaneously (with a fraction of his original power ) is much harder than sealing a tailed beast. Think about it....

As an old man the 4rth would win against the 3rd, but in his prime the 3rd hokage would mop the floor with the 4rth. Well probably not mop the floor, but the 3rd would win.

Sandaime rest in peace

[Deidara of the Funk]

the 4th. the 3rd would have forgotten where he and would have crapped in his pants was cause he was old :p

lmao i have to agree with u :D:D:p

[hahonryuu]

Fine I'll go hunt....*grumble grumble*

still waiting for the results of that hunt ;)

im telling you it never said that

[konohamaru_009]

I've taken the time to review this thread and I respect every one's opinions on this topic. This has been the subject of a much heated debate. First of all I'd like to state my opinion out right before going into detail. I think that the 3rd Hokage is superior to the 4rth and here is why.

The 4rth's crowning achievement has always been that he defeated the nine tailed fox and I'm not knocking it by any means. However taking the time to analyze the details remember that while battling Kyuubi the 4rth was fighting along side Gamabunta. Lets remember how powerful Gamabunta is on his own so it is not like the 4rth single handily defeated Kyuubi. In addition there are nine tailed beasts in Naruto that we know all of them with the exception of the 2 tails have been sealed. This means that other ninjas have succeeded in doing the same thing that the 4rth did.

In theory all it takes to seal a beast is a powerful sealing jutsu and precise uninterrupted charkra manipulation. The attempted sealing of the 2 tails is proof of this. For all we know Gamabunta just layed the smack down on Kyuubi long enough for the 4rth to perform the sealing jutsu because essentially it was the sealing jutsu that did the trick. I'm pretty sure the 4rth wasn't physically trying to oppose the Kyuubi so common sense says its pretty safe to assume that Gamabunta was doing his share of the heavy lifting.

Now it is common knowledge that Sarutobi is credited with possessing the knowledge of all jutsu in the village of Konoha (with the exception of special abilities/ justu that are inherited such as bloodline limits, etc.) which earned him the nickname of professor. Sarutobi was also called the god of all ninja. Aside from this he taught the legendary sannin including the 4rth's teacher Jiraiya. Aside from this Sarutobi became hokage at a very very young age and was the only hokage to serve 2 terms in office. After the 4rth died the higher ups could have insisted on a sannin to serve as the next hokage as they did when they offered the title to Jiraiya, but they did not. Even though he was past his prime Sarutobi was chosen yet again to become hokage. If that isn't awesome enough Sarutobi took on Orochimaru, along with the resurrected 1st, and 2nd hokages simultaneously and ultimately defeated them when he was a shadow of his former self. It was clearly stated that his abilities and chakra capacity has declined significantly since his younger years, but he still won the fight. If Sarutobi could defeat two former kages and a sannin at the same time as an old man imagine what he must have been capable of when he was in his prime. I've also done some research and that research suggests that monkey king Enma is thought to be the strongest of summon creatures. More research is needed to verify it for certain, but it is something to think about.

The 3rd's legacy compared to the 4rth's legacy:
Sarutobi's legacy is the great Konohamaru the ninja fated to be the 6th hokage. How many ninjas have executed multiple sneek attacks on a hokage and live to tell the tale? :)

The 4rth's legacy is Naruto....... not exactly the brightest bulb in the chandelier. Lets face it we'll be lucky if this kid ever passes the chuunin exams. Yeeeeah... :(

Another interesting point to note is right around the time when Orochimaru was a in line to become hokage. The only reason Orochimaru was not chosen was because Sarutobi discovered the evil in his heart. This leads me to wonder if the 4rth was so amazing as many people say then why was he second choice?

Some argue that the 4rth would defeat Sarutobi because he was the yellow flash, but we all know that it takes much more than speed to win a fight. Sarutobi knew just about every jutsu that existed in konoha. I'm pretty sure he could use one or a combination of those techniques to put the brakes on the yellow flash. Others say that the development of Rasengan proves the 4rths prowess. I'm not knocking Rasengan by any means, but we all know of at least a couple of other weaker ninjas that can use Rasengan with relative ease. Not only that Naruto was able to invent the Rasenshuriken, which is WAY better than the Rasengan that the 4rth created and Naruto sucks. I thought is was kinda funny when they said the Rasengan was an incomplete jutsu because the 4rth couldn't figure out how to take it to the next level. All Naruto did was make a shadow clone and presto he surpassed the 4rth. and Naruto did it in a few days didn't he? LoL. I guess the 4rth wasn't much on brains then. Like father like son I suppose. I've also heard many people say that the 4rth would win because he could defeat an army by himself. Lets think about this for a second. Isn't it possible for any high level ninja to do the same? Heck Sasuke killed 1000 ninjas single handily without so much as getting a single drop of blood on him (Shippuden episode 92). Sasuke can do that and he isn't even close to being on the Hokage level. If Sasuke can do it any high level ninja can.

In conclusion I'm not saying that the 4rth was a push over. I'm simply saying that all the evidence points to the 3rd being superior.

The 4rth's greatest hour was when he sealed the nine tailed fox, but other ninjas succeeded in sealing away tailed beasts just like he did. The sealing of tailed beasts is something we've seen done before, but how often do you see an old man lay the smack down on two hokages and a sannin all in the same fight?

I'm sure that defeating two former hokages and a legendary sannin simultaneously (with a fraction of his original power ) is much harder than sealing a tailed beast. Think about it....

As an old man the 4rth would win against the 3rd, but in his prime the 3rd hokage would mop the floor with the 4rth. Well probably not mop the floor, but the 3rd would win.

Sandaime rest in peace

[Monk_of_the_Blue_Roses]

Is there a way on Ultimate ninja to Set both Players as computers? because really i think if someone did that and posted it on y o u tube then Posted a link here i think all these threads like this could be solved a lot easier and would stop the arguements that usual Pursue...

But in my opinion The Fourth Hokage would Totally Rock the Third No Doubt...

[hahonryuu]

Is there a way on Ultimate ninja to Set both Players as computers? because really i think if someone did that and posted it on y o u tube then Posted a link here i think all these threads like this could be solved a lot easier and would stop the arguements that usual Pursue...

But in my opinion The Fourth Hokage would Totally Rock the Third No Doubt...

1)there probably is, im almost sure of it, but i dont own it so i dont know for sure

2)no it wouldnt and you know it XD the same one wont win everytime. we cant rely on a computer to answer this question...really its unanswerable to everyone but kishimoto, he's the only one who can answer it correctly. and i doubt thats gonna happen

3)its the internet...that wouldnt stop any arguments at all, if anything there would be MORE lol

[ShariganEyedJack]

http://www.bandaicg.com/naruto/images/cards_s8/mus050.jpg

See the First and Second Hokages? See that little kid? The little kid is the Third. The manga doesn't have this scene. It's a bit of filler, but the gist is that the two of them tell this little kid that he's strong enough to be the leader of the village.

[ItachiAnbu]

When all's said and done, the're both awesome, but the Third was better in his prime.

[Yako9]

The Fourth beat the fox on his own. He used Gamabunta to reach the **** thing, while the Third sealed Orochimaru's ARMS.
Also, Minato was badass enough to seal the fox in his own son, while Sarutobi did what? Put himself in a Reaper Creeper's belly with Oro's arms and the fourth died happily. The third died bleeding and grieving that his student betrayed

[hahonryuu]

gotta put it in two posts, sorry, its a long one


I've taken the time to review this thread and I respect every one's opinions on this topic. This has been the subject of a much heated debate. First of all I'd like to state my opinion out right before going into detail. I think that the 3rd Hokage is superior to the 4rth and here is why.

your opinion is your own, again nomatter what conclusin we, the fans, come up with, it is kishmoto that really matters



The 4rth's crowning achievement has always been that he defeated the nine tailed fox and I'm not knocking it by any means. However taking the time to analyze the details remember that while battling Kyuubi the 4rth was fighting along side Gamabunta.

umm really cuz every time *I* saw that scene, i remmeber him summoning bunta then almost immediately reaper death sealing the fox. though there may have been some banter between him and the fox we didnt see, we have never seen anything that would lead us to believe bunta lifted a finger to fight the fox. argument, failed


Lets remember how powerful Gamabunta is on his own so it is not like the 4rth single handily defeated Kyuubi.

ummm he couldnt even beat the 1 tail on his own. the fox woulda been like "mmmm frogs legs, my favorite *pwns bunta with all 4 legs and all 9 tails tied behind his back while asleep* im not knockng bunta, but he's no bijuu =/. argument, failed


In addition there are nine tailed beasts in Naruto that we know all of them with the exception of the 2 tails have been sealed. correction, all but the 8 tails has been sealed. the 2 tails was captured by hidan and kakuzu a while ago. killerbee, the rapping 8 tailed host whom pwned sasuke, got away.


This means that other ninjas have succeeded in doing the same thing that the 4rth did.

ummm, not really. 9 tails is greater than the others, noone has succeeded in doing that. and the only ones who could do better are madara and the 1st...but only because they'd be able to control it ebcause of their kekkei genkais. argument, failed

In theory all it takes to seal a beast is a powerful sealing jutsu and precise uninterrupted charkra manipulation.

ide say coming up with a sealing jutsu to beat the fox is pretty impressive. especially since the 4th used it on the fox...the 3rd used it on orochimaru's arms. surely you arent saying that orochimaru's arms are stronger than the 9 tailed fox lol. that battle <3rd vs orochi> proved that it takes the users own chakra and willpower to seal the target...soemthing tells me that the 9 tailed fox has a liiiiiitle bit more chakra than orochimaru lol. and besides, from what we've seen, sealing jtusus are pretty complicated and powerful. to come up with one strong enough to summon a god and seal the worlds strongest demon is ****ed impressive. argument, failed


The attempted sealing of the 2 tails is proof of this. For all we know Gamabunta just layed the smack down on Kyuubi long enough for the 4rth to perform the sealing jutsu because essentially it was the sealing jutsu that did the trick.

1) again, we've seen nothing about bunta fighting him. we've seen the fox wreakign havoc, then we hear a crash, bunta being summoned, then the camera moves to bunta and the 4th, then we see a bright light, him sealing the fox. and again, bunta couldnt even "put the smack down" on shukaku, kyuubi would tear him apart

and i fail to see how him using a sealing jutsu makes it less impressive. its still a ninja technique, a ****ed powerful and likely complicated one at that. argument, failed


I'm pretty sure the 4rth wasn't physically trying to oppose the Kyuubi nooooooo :eek: :rolleyes: /end sarcasm...seriosuly, who is?


so common sense says its pretty safe to assume that Gamabunta was doing his share of the heavy lifting.

really, thats what common sense says? cuz paying attention to the manga and anime says otherwise :rolleyes:...even then, he brought bunta there with a summoning jutsu, he brought him there on his own power. so even if your right <which you arent> and bunta "put the smack down on him", it still doesnt lessen the accomplishment =/. its like hayate said in the chuunin exams. its ok for kiba to use akamru because he's just a ninja tool, a weapon. im sure they wouldve said the same thing about bunta and the other toads if naruto knew how to summon at the time. argument, failed

Now it is common knowledge that Sarutobi is credited with possessing the knowledge of all jutsu in the village of Konoha (with the exception of special abilities/ justu that are inherited such as bloodline limits, etc.)

one of the first factual things you've said this entire paragraph


which earned him the nickname of professor

fact number 2, your on a role!

Sarutobi was also called the god of all ninja.

*sigh* ok where did it say this. its possible <though i doubt it> that i just missed it, but please point out the chapter and/or episode this was said, because i havent heared him called anything but the professor. i'll give you the benifit of the doubt for now, but i dont recall this at all

Aside from this he taught the legendary sannin including the 4rth's teacher Jiraiya

and that proves...what exactly? if your saying that he's stronger because he taught the 4ths teacher, then your mistaken. kakashi, and therfore kishimoto, has said before that the new generation surpasses the old one. if anything it proves the opposite. that may or may not prove something in the real world, but in the naruto world the 4th being of a younger generation means

Aside from this Sarutobi became hokage at a very very young age and was the only hokage to serve 2 terms in office.

1) where did it say he became hokage super young? and how young are we talking?

chapter and/or episode please. same with the last one, i'll give the benifit of the doubt for now but you ned proof.

2)hokage's dont serve terms from what ive gathered, they arent presidents =/

from what i can infer, a hokage stays in office till they find someone better, they die, or they resign <and the resignation ties into the first one about them finding a better person>. we've seen no proof of timed terms

*brain storm*

oh are you talking about him taking ver again after the 4th died? well yeah, duh, because without the 4th there, he's once again the best man for the job...and its not really an accomplishment when you think about it...he took over and the other hokage's didnt because the others died in office.

After the 4rth died the higher ups could have insisted on a sannin to serve

they cant insist crap,after the 3rd died they were all like "jiraiya be hokage" and he was like "no".

as the next hokage as they did when they offered the title to Jiraiya, but they did not.

maybe they did but the 3rd was the only one who wanted the job <mostly a joke>

Even though he was past his prime Sarutobi was chosen yet again to become hokage.

so doesnt that mean that the 4th is more impressive seeing as he took over for a living hokage while the 3rd took over for 2 dead ones <again mostly a joke>

If that isn't awesome enough Sarutobi took on Orochimaru, along with the resurrected 1st, and 2nd hokages simultaneously and ultimately defeated them when he was a shadow of his former self.

and he beat orochimaru the same way the 4th beat the fox...only the 4th managed more than the foxes arms ;). and the first and second werent even at full power. and personally ive never been super impressed with ororchimaru. it seems like all his most impressive techniques involve

1)him ressurecting dead people to fight for him

2)transefering his body to 12 year old boys lol

3)some attck to avoid damage

unlike jiraiya who we've seen do some pretty bad *** stuff, or tsuande who can like, level a mountain with her pinky lol. or the hokages who can do things from killing an entire army single handedly to creating life. sure orochi is strong, but its not like he took on somebody with some devostating attacks. most of ororchi's moves are seemingly about self preservation

It was clearly stated that his abilities and chakra capacity has declined significantly since his younger years, but he still won the fight.

fact number 3, lets see how long you can keep it up this timebefore posting something controversal, opinionated, or just plain wrong

If Sarutobi could defeat two former kages and a sannin at the same time as an old man imagine what he must have been capable of when he was in his prime.

ok again, the hokage's werent at full power and orochi is, imo, not to threatening...he's like a roach, **** hard to kill.

also your making it sound like everyone who doesnt think he'd win is belittling the 3rd. that is not true <some are, but im not...though im also not sure who would win. im 60/40...60% of me thinks the 4th but theres still a fairly big part of me thinking the 3rd> the 3rd is definately bad ***. i certainly wouldnt wanna run into him in a dark ally

in fact im actully taling about his prime when i say the 4th would win, and it would definately be the fight of...all time. in fact the fight couldnt happen. the awesomeness and power of both participants clashing would cause a break in the space time continuam and cause a rift in the universal balance, math would be done, and ultimately, we'd all be screwed lol
responses in bold...part 2 coming up

[hahonryuu]

part 2

I've also done some research and that research suggests that monkey king Enma is thought to be the strongest of summon creatures.

duh, he's goku...who's stronger than goku? thats right, nobody lol

but seriously, i doubt that lil enma, though very strong and very badass im sure, could beat bunta when he couldnt beat orochi. while at the same time, assuming no manda or other summons, im sure bunta could...its called stepping on him by accident lol

ide lik to know where you did this research btw, im curious

More research is needed to verify it for certain, but it is something to think about.

The 3rd's legacy compared to the 4rth's legacy:
Sarutobi's legacy is the great Konohamaru the ninja fated to be the 6th hokage. How many ninjas have executed multiple sneek attacks on a hokage and live to tell the tale? :)


The 4rth's legacy is Naruto....... not exactly the brightest bulb in the chandelier. Lets face it we'll be lucky if this kid ever passes the chuunin exams. Yeeeeah... :(

who needs chuunin exams when he's got sage powers. kishimoto basically made him invincable to anything without sharingan eye in no time...and sure he wasnt the brightest before, but now...

when he beat kakuzu choji's words were "your not as smart as shikamaru, but your pretty smart to naruto"...ever since that complete rasengan training, he's been thinking quicker than before. it could just be kishimoto throwing him a bone or it could be my little theory

*the following is an unconfirmed theory by hahonryuu*


his shadow clone training...when he makes all those clones, and actually has them do more than swarm an enemy, and then desperse them..when the information all comes flooding back to him at once, his brain has to process avast amount of information. every thought and idea every clone had, every bit of progress, every bit of sensory input...all collected al at once. it must have been quite the workout for his brain. so his brain leanred to process information quicker

so though he technically isnt any smarter, he thinks a lot quicker now. maybe even as fast/faster than shikamaru. thats good enough.

to still call naruto completely stupid, you must have been not paying attention for the pat while. he hasnt done anythign dumb on the battlefield in ages. and thats all that really matters for a ninja. you dont ened to knwo that 2+2=4 but you do need to know that fist+face=pain lol <exagerated but you get the point>

besides, the current hokage, most of his friends, and even konohamaru, who you procclaimed the 6th hokage, believes that naruto will be hokage <konohamaru even refered to himself as the 7th hokage and naruto as the 6th in shippuuden episode 1...but that doesnt really count seeing as it didnt happen in the manga, so its filler. but everything else i said stands true. everybody in the show believes in him, why dont you lol


and i realize that it was mostly a joke, what you said. just putting that out there

Another interesting point to note is right around the time when Orochimaru was a in line to become hokage. The only reason Orochimaru was not chosen was because Sarutobi discovered the evil in his heart. This leads me to wonder if the 4rth was so amazing as many people say then why was he second choice?


because the third had been planning on it for a while maybe? he practically trained him to succeed him...besides there is very little info about that time. so who knows. all i know is that i highly doubt orochi was better than the 4th. i dont recall any great nations ordering their ninjas to stay the **** away from HIM during that war lol

Some argue that the 4rth would defeat Sarutobi because he was the yellow flash, but we all know that it takes much more than speed to win a fight.

not all that much...if your movement is significantly faster than your opponents, which the 4ths was, the only other thing you need is power enough to kill the opponent. i hear that all ninajs are pretty strong, and usually carry very sharp weapons >_>, sound slike the 4th has everything he needs.


the only time speed is useless is if your not strong enough to cause damage to your opponent. in which case youd be screwed no matter how fast you were. but i suppose even then yuo could use your speed to lure them ff a cliff or something, i dunno...whoa, major tangent sorry about that lol...point is, if there is a significant difference in speed and the faster one is capable of causing serious harm to you, then the faster one wins

Sarutobi knew just about every jutsu that existed in konoha. I'm pretty sure he could use one or a combination of those techniques to put the brakes on the yellow flash.

maybe he could...but im afraid maybe's dont win arguments or decide fictional fights. we have to go on what we know. and what we know is that noone is faster than the 4th, except maybe madara

Others say that the development of Rasengan proves the 4rths prowess. I'm not knocking Rasengan by any means, but we all know of at least a couple of other weaker ninjas that can use Rasengan with relative ease. Not only that Naruto was able to invent the Rasenshuriken, which is WAY better than the Rasengan that the 4rth created and Naruto sucks.

1)keep stuff like "naruto sucks" out of this. that has nothing to do with the argument, and its opinion

2)naruto was able to complete rasengan for 1 reason only...he has a stupid amount of chakra, allowing him to make shadow clones and still have a significant amount of chakra left. stamina is the sole reason naruto was able to do that. so whether naruto sucks or not, it certainly doesnt make the 4th less impressive

I thought is was kinda funny when they said the Rasengan was an incomplete jutsu because the 4rth couldn't figure out how to take it to the next level. All Naruto did was make a shadow clone and presto he surpassed the 4rth. and Naruto did it in a few days didn't he? LoL. I guess the 4rth wasn't much on brains then. Like father like son I suppose. I've also heard many people say that the 4rth would win because he could defeat an army by himself. Lets think about this for a second. Isn't it possible for any high level ninja to do the same?

can other high level ninajs do it int he blnk of an eye?

Heck Sasuke killed 1000 ninjas single handily without so much as getting a single drop of blood on him (Shippuden episode 92). Sasuke can do that and he isn't even close to being on the Hokage level.

we have no idea how long it took though...in kakashi gaiden a konoha ninja who knew what the 4th was capable of told one who didnt "dont blink, not even once...if you do you'll miss it" or something like that

If Sasuke can do it any high level ninja can.

but how fast and efficiant can he do it? whats more impressive. a ninja beating an army by himself in a couple hours, or a ninja eating an army by himself in the blink of an eye. besides, sauske has the sharingan, possibly the greatest power h4x in the series. and the CM, a wtf powerup. so no, i dont believe that just because sasuke can do it, any ninja can. besides, if any high level ninja could, why didnt they/dont they? people are impressed by the 4th for a reason dude

In conclusion I'm not saying that the 4rth was a push over.

nor am i saying that the 3rd was <its 4th btw,not 4rth. the r is part of the 4...your basically saying fourrth> in fact, as ive already siad, im not even 100% sold on the 4th winning, and nomatter who wins the fight would be the single ost epic thing to happen in the history of ever

I'm simply saying that all the evidence points to the 3rd being superior.


most of your evidence is either

1)false

2)opinionated

3)controversal

4)correct but doesnt prove anything

The 4rth's greatest hour was when he sealed the nine tailed fox, but other ninjas succeeded in sealing away tailed beasts just like he did.

but not he big bad 9 tails. you seriosuly have to take that into account

The sealing of tailed beasts is something we've seen done before, but how often do you see an old man lay the smack down on two hokages and a sannin all in the same fight?

the same old man who, when he realized what orochimaru was doing, was all like "crap i cant let him oen up that 3rd coffin, or im screwed" the coffin that held the th...sound slike he was a little worried about stopping that fight from happening ~_^ lol

I'm sure that defeating two former hokages and a legendary sannin simultaneously (with a fraction of his original power ) is much harder than sealing a tailed beast. Think about it....


i'll think about it when you think at all. you seem incredibly biased with all that bad talking naruto and "like father like son" stuff. i respected your opinion till about right then. personal attacks on characters arent for debates, they're for children arguing on the playground. and besides, he may have been weaker than when he was younger, but the 1st and 2nd were also not at full power. and like i said before, orochi's greatest moves are more about keepong himself alive than killing his opponent. orochimaru was stong, i cant deny that...if the narutoverse says he's strong then its an unarguable fact. HOW strong is up to debate however

As an old man the 4rth would win against the 3rd, but in his prime the 3rd hokage would mop the floor with the 4rth.

thats going a little far. im sure no matter who won, they wouldnt be capable of mopping anything up using the loser

Well probably not mop the floor, but the 3rd would win.


Sandaime rest in peace

too much personal stuff in their to call it an agument really

[hahonryuu]

sorry for the triple post...i wanted to put it al into 1, but it was too long XD


http://www.bandaicg.com/naruto/images/cards_s8/mus050.jpg

See the First and Second Hokages? See that little kid? The little kid is the Third. The manga doesn't have this scene. It's a bit of filler, but the gist is that the two of them tell this little kid that he's strong enough to be the leader of the village.

ummm that card doesnt prove anything. not what it says in this quote, nor what you were trying to prove with it. thank you try again, with actual proof this time.

even if they were telling him that he could lead the village right then <which they werent> it still doesnt say that he learned all those techniques by the time he was 8 =/

[ShariganEyedJack]

Here is my quick addition to the conversation. When Oro reanimated 1st and 2nd, the Third stopped the last tomb, which presumably had the fourth. Granted this possibly means that the Third didn't want to fight him. Or this means that he was confidant enough to fight two other hokages but just not the three.



ummm that card doesnt prove anything. not what it says in this quote, nor what you were trying to prove with it. thank you try again, with actual proof this time

I don't have the ability I have no computer or anime of my own and the information I desire is anime only.

[hahonryuu]

Here is my quick addition to the conversation. When Oro reanimated 1st and 2nd, the Third stopped the last tomb, which presumably had the fourth. Granted this possibly means that the Third didn't want to fight him. Or this means that he was confidant enough to fight two other hokages but just not the three.





I don't have the ability I have no computer or anime of my own and the information I desire is anime only.

well that sucks doesnt it...no proof on teh intwerwebz means its not true in the eyes of the public

unless somebody can help you out by confirming what you said and pointing out the episode number, your SOL, sorry =/

[TayuyaNorthGate]

It all depends. In their prime, there is no way Minato Namikaze defeats the "God of Shinobi" (that is directly from the Manga). But at the time of the Nine Tailed Fox's attack, Minato would win simply due to being younger, and therefore more able to fight.

[ShariganEyedJack]

I'll get you one day!

[mackattackboom]

4th hokage would win

[Yako9]

Minato is the Yellow Flash.
Flash is light and to beat the speed of light, in this case just beat it, could completly erase you from existence. So if the Third beat Minato, he would not be around to gloat about it.
Class Dismissed!

[ShariganEyedJack]

Minato is the Yellow Flash.
Flash is light and to beat the speed of light, in this case just beat it, could completly erase you from existence. So if the Third beat Minato, he would not be around to gloat about it.
Class Dismissed!

Remember kids drugs are bad.

[hahonryuu]

In their prime, there is no way Minato Namikaze defeats the "God of Shinobi" (that is directly from the Manga).

chapter please

[Yako9]

Remember kids drugs are bad.
Why are you in my classroom!? Get the hell out!
Remember not to talk to strangers, for girls be very cautious of dudes with sunglasses and rope in the back of their van.
Boys, stay away from pale people claiming to be music stars and go bya nickname "Michael Jefferson".

[Yako9]

When there's high tide, the fourth dropped by to say hello. The tide is caused by all nine tailed beasts ****ing themself. Be careful of landslides.

[Monk_of_the_Blue_Roses]

Why does Everyone Simply Believe that Since the Fourth is Younger He would Win? In all my experiences Being Older Brings More experience...and with that Experience Comes an Understanding of What to expect in a fight... And seeing how the Fourth and the Third Knew each other Intimately Being Taught and Teaching each other along the way i believe that the Match Couldve Simply Ended in a draw...anyone ever think of that?

Also on the Older thing Did we forget about the Third Vs. Orochimaru Fight? i mean to Me it looked Like the old Man had the Fight From the Very Beginning...
Even With Orochimaru Being Much Much Younger than the Third...

[Yako9]

Why does Everyone Simply Believe that Since the Fourth is Younger He would Win? In all my experiences Being Older Brings More experience...and with that Experience Comes an Understanding of What to expect in a fight... And seeing how the Fourth and the Third Knew each other Intimately Being Taught and Teaching each other along the way i believe that the Match Couldve Simply Ended in a draw...anyone ever think of that?

Also on the Older thing Did we forget about the Third Vs. Orochimaru Fight? i mean to Me it looked Like the old Man had the Fight From the Very Beginning...
Even With Orochimaru Being Much Much Younger than the Third...
I'll have to keep you after school for detention today! Stop sleeping in class!

[Yako9]

Minato is the Yellow Flash.
Flash is light and to beat the speed of light, in this case just beat it, could completly erase you from existence. So if the Third beat Minato, he would not be around to gloat about it.
Class Dismissed!

Here's the reason. The Third would be in a black hole being crushed by gravity too intense for an old person. The true reason/old person true meaning of fighting is not to fight/I'm too old for this ****.

Godspeed Yellow Flash. Oh yeah, you are the Ninja world's god!(sorry pain.)

[hahonryuu]

Why does Everyone Simply Believe that Since the Fourth is Younger He would Win? In all my experiences Being Older Brings More experience...and with that Experience Comes an Understanding of What to expect in a fight... And seeing how the Fourth and the Third Knew each other Intimately Being Taught and Teaching each other along the way i believe that the Match Couldve Simply Ended in a draw...anyone ever think of that?

Also on the Older thing Did we forget about the Third Vs. Orochimaru Fight? i mean to Me it looked Like the old Man had the Fight From the Very Beginning...
Even With Orochimaru Being Much Much Younger than the Third...

because EVERYONE doesnt believe that

1)i certainly dont, disproving your theory right there

2)people voted for the 3rd, disproving your statement yet again

3)orochimaru is a *****, you cant compare the 3rds fight to him to the 3rd vs the 4th. and perhaps your forgetting the parts in that battle where his age was talked about negatively, even by himself. sounds to me like his experience was telling him he needed to be younger ;). in fact i do believe orochimaru himself said that if he was even 10 years younger <putting him at, what, in his 50's or 60's...still pretty old> he probably wouldve won cuz his chakra supply had depleted so much in his old age, his body had grown weaker, etc etc.

exp counts for a lot, im not saying it doesnt, but only so much. there are too many factors in a fight to go on experience alone. + you can gain a lot of battle experience in a very short amount of time, especially in wartime. the 4th may not have had 3rd hokage experience, but he wa sprobably highly experinced himself...age doesnt = experience, having experinces = experience. the only reason its associated with older people is because they've had more chances to have said experiences. and really how much more experience could the 3rd have gained in the last X amount of years? seems like its been fairly quiet in leaf village since the 9 tails attack. he's been doing more governing than protecting. meaning if he was X amount of years younger <X being however long its been since he gained a helpful bit of experience> he would only benifit

im not saying he'd lose just because of age, not for an instant, im not even 100% sure he'd lose at all letalone lose because he's old. but it IS a factor that cant be ignored

plus im basing my vote based on the 3rd being in his prime. though it could effect others, his age certainly doesnt effect him in my vote

[Yako9]

Did the Third have a "flee on sight order?"
I didn't think so.
And whoever it was that said Enma was the strongest of summons...........
the **** dude, the ****. The Bijuu are the strongest summons and belong to the First's rival.
Tobi is a good boy.
But seriously, a dude with an oil spitting toad WITH A SWORD vs an old guy that is accompanied by a BAD TEMPERED (his coolest trait) and a staff?
Not to mention oil and water can't be mixed, but Gamabunta has both, so he's done the impossible and the Third loses the Argument, NEXT CASE!

[ArchVolocofX]

I think the 3rd would win against the 4th in their prime, now if it's the 3rd when he is old im not sure on that the 3rd took on three people two Kage level and one sanin level. But fighting someone with the 4th's speed at his age might over come him. But the sad truth is we will never truely know who would win. :)

[konohamaru_009]

Greetings fellow Naruto fans! I haven’t been on in a while so I decided to check out the new posts. Interesting stuff I must say. Its good to see healthy discussions among peers of common interest.

I had an opportunity to read through hahonryuu’s rebuttal of my initial post and I must say he/ she made some really good observations. I appreciate your responses and it is clear that you have a very good understanding of the subject matter, but I think you would do well to be less abrasive.

The 4rth's crowning achievement has always been that he defeated the nine tailed fox and I'm not knocking it by any means. However taking the time to analyze the details remember that while battling Kyuubi the 4rth was fighting along side Gamabunta.

umm really cuz every time *I* saw that scene, i remmeber him summoning bunta then almost immediately reaper death sealing the fox. though there may have been some banter between him and the fox we didnt see, we have never seen anything that would lead us to believe bunta lifted a finger to fight the fox. argument, failed

It is true that they didn’t show Gamabunta and Kyuubi come to blows and I’m not saying they did. The way I look at it is there had to be some reason why the 4rth summoned Gamabunta. Isn’t the purpose of a summon creature to assist the person who summoned it? I’m don’t know all of Gamabunta’s techniques but I’m pretty sure he specializes in physical combat. So why else would the 4rth waste chakra summoning Gamabunta if it was for no reason? Was he trying to impress Kyuubi? Hey look what I can do summoning jutsu! I doubt it.



In theory all it takes to seal a beast is a powerful sealing jutsu and precise uninterrupted charkra manipulation.

ide say coming up with a sealing jutsu to beat the fox is pretty impressive. especially since the 4th used it on the fox...the 3rd used it on orochimaru's arms. surely you arent saying that orochimaru's arms are stronger than the 9 tailed fox lol. that battle <3rd vs orochi> proved that it takes the users own chakra and willpower to seal the target...soemthing tells me that the 9 tailed fox has a liiiiiitle bit more chakra than orochimaru lol. and besides, from what we've seen, sealing jtusus are pretty complicated and powerful. to come up with one strong enough to summon a god and seal the worlds strongest demon is ****ed impressive. argument, failed

I never said the sealing juts wasn’t impressive and as far as you trying to down play Sarutobi’s version of the sealing jutsu I can’t help but notice you neglect to mention that Sarutobi sealed the 1st and 2nd hokages before sealing Orochimaru’s arms. Or did you not catch that part? I also think its worth mentioning that when Sarutobi sealed the 1st and 2nd he did so with shadow clones. What significance does this have? If I recall correctly shadow clones disperse the user’s chakra equally among the clones created meaning that Sarutobi was able to seal the 1st and 2nd hokages using a 1/3 of his chakra for each of them. Keep in mind that his chakra capacity had dwindled severely since his youth.


Sarutobi was also called the god of all ninja.

*sigh* ok where did it say this. its possible <though i doubt it> that i just missed it, but please point out the chapter and/or episode this was said, because i havent heared him called anything but the professor. i'll give you the benifit of the doubt for now, but i dont recall this at all

Orochimaru Episode 71 near the end.
http://www.narutoget.com/watch/433-Naruto_Episode_71/


Aside from this he taught the legendary sannin including the 4rth's teacher Jiraiya

and that proves...what exactly? if your saying that he's stronger because he taught the 4ths teacher, then your mistaken. kakashi, and therfore kishimoto, has said before that the new generation surpasses the old one. if anything it proves the opposite. that may or may not prove something in the real world, but in the naruto world the 4th being of a younger generation means

I was just listing some of Sarutobi’s accomplishments. Relax bro. lol


1) where did it say he became hokage super young? and how young are we talking?
chapter and/or episode please. same with the last one, i'll give the benifit of the doubt for now but you ned proof.

I found the episode for you as you requested. Feel free to take a look. As far as how young he was you can make your own decision, but he looks maybe 8-10ish. He was definitely a little squirt.

Episode 73
http://www.narutoget.com/watch/435-Naruto_Episode_73/



2)hokage's dont serve terms from what ive gathered, they arent presidents =/

The word “Term” means: the length of time that something lasts, with a fixed beginning and end, often a period during which a person holds an appointment position.

And I know how much hahonryuu likes proof so I included my reference so as to put all speculation to rest. :D
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oh are you talking about him taking ver again after the 4th died? well yeah, duh, because without the 4th there, he's once again the best man for the job...and its not really an accomplishment when you think about it...he took over and the other hokage's didnt because the others died in office.

Sarutobi once again being “the best man for the job” isn’t really an accomplishement? Is that so? I wonder because you just finished saying that new generations surpass the old right? So the fact that the old guy was still the best ninja despite there being a younger superior generation doesn’t mean anything? You got me there friend…..


Even though he was past his prime Sarutobi was chosen yet again to become hokage.

so doesnt that mean that the 4th is more impressive seeing as he took over for a living hokage while the 3rd took over for 2 dead ones <again mostly a joke>

Where does it say that the 1st and 2nd died in office before appointing the Sarutobi? From the episode I remember them all of them being alive when Sarutobi was first choosen to become the 3rd hokage.


and he beat orochimaru the same way the 4th beat the fox...only the 4th managed more than the foxes arms . and the first and second werent even at full power.

You keep say that the resurrected first and second weren’t even at full power, but in the episode Sarutobi states that the 1st power had not waned one bit and I’m fairly certain the same goes for the 2nd as well. What proof do you have that suggests other wise?

Episode 71





Others say that the development of Rasengan proves the 4rths prowess. I'm not knocking Rasengan by any means, but we all know of at least a couple of other weaker ninjas that can use Rasengan with relative ease. Not only that Naruto was able to invent the Rasenshuriken, which is WAY better than the Rasengan that the 4rth created and Naruto sucks.

1)keep stuff like "naruto sucks" out of this. that has nothing to do with the argument, and its opinion

I don’t mean to be slick but the last time I checked this was a forum is it not? For those of you that don’t know a “Forum” is: a medium in which the public may debate an issue or express opinions
(For hahonryuu) Gotta make sure I cover all my bases. :)
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Again bro Relax. Lol


I’ll think about it when you think at all.

Now that’s just mean. Did I touch a nerve? :)


I've also heard many people say that the 4rth would win because he could defeat an army by himself. Lets think about this for a second. Isn't it possible for any high level ninja to do the same? Heck Sasuke killed 1000 ninjas single handily without so much as getting a single drop of blood on him (Shippuden episode 92). Sasuke can do that and he isn't even close to being on the Hokage level. If Sasuke can do it any high level ninja can.

so no, i dont believe that just because sasuke can do it, any ninja can. besides, if any high level ninja could, why didnt they/dont they? people are impressed by the 4th for a reason dude

You’re distorting what I said. I said “If Sasuke can do it any HIGH level ninja can.” And as far as why they didn’t/ don’t have you seen every battle that every high level shinobi have been in? You’re making a huge assumption buddy. Now who is the one spouting conjecture? Argument, failed. Lol. Now I see why you kept saying that! That’s cute.

Anyway on the serious side of things I was just trying to say why I think Sandaime rocks is all. I didn’t mean to offend anyone *cough* hahonryuu. :) In all honesty I think all the hokages are awesome and that’s the truth. I just think Sarutobi is better.

[TayuyaNorthGate]

oh snap....

[ShariganEyedJack]

I found the episode for you as you requested. Feel free to take a look. As far as how young he was you can make your own decision, but he looks maybe 8-10ish. He was definitely a little squirt.

Episode 73
http://www.narutoget.com/watch/435-Naruto_Episode_73/


AH HA!!!!! I knew I wasn't totally insane. Maybe just slightly.

[MangekyouChidori]

wow 4th has ultimate speed n can take out any army in a hit lus invented rasengan even though 3rd may have more jutsus 4th never showed his so we cant be sure

[Allisonbear]

wow that shouldn't be a question.
4th bcuz he has ultimate speed and is waaaaaay stronger:)

[Neji4everrrrrrrr]

Minato was the best hokage of all time ... he sealed the nine tailed beast and he have a speed of lighthing 4th Hokageeeeeeeeeeee