Beating the Alien Rush

[DBZFan]

Alright, we all know that alien has a huge advantage in bandai's first set of dbz ccg. What are your suggestions for taking them down. Here are my thoughts:


1. Get rid of frieza, fast
2. Focused on preventing your opponent from playing the great ape
3. is vegeta still turn 4? He is a beast, getting rid of him too would be nice


We all know frieza is a beast, and getting rid of him in his first or secound form would be great. I'm thinking cause frieza first form is turn 2, getting rid of him early in the game will allow you more turns to pull out stronger warriors, and by the time your opponents pull out anouther frieza first form, you'll have turn 4 warriors. Vegeta is also a beast, but he is a super rare so there might not be more than one or two in a deck (considering that the cost of a pack is 4 bucks!!). And the whole great ape thing might not be a problem in some alien decks, but never the less, an ape can be a problem.

so what are your thoughts?

[Team Covenant]

As I see it now, most Alien decks will only run Frieza [3rd Form] and Frieza [Final Form].

Stopping Frieza will involve two things:

1) Don't give them the chance to play Upa's Wish.
2) Do as much damage as possible early, hopefully getting them to 7/8 by the time Frieza drops (this is just a hope =/ ). This allows you to swing in with 3 groups of 5+.

It'll be a struggle, but once we all get the cards I'm sure we will find many creative ways to handle Frieza.

[JaniGreen]

Alright, we all know that alien has a huge advantage in bandai's first set of dbz ccg. What are your suggestions for taking them down. Here are my thoughts:


1. Get rid of frieza, fast
2. Focused on preventing your opponent from playing the great ape
3. is vegeta still turn 4? He is a beast, getting rid of him too would be nice


We all know frieza is a beast, and getting rid of him in his first or secound form would be great. I'm thinking cause frieza first form is turn 2, getting rid of him early in the game will allow you more turns to pull out stronger warriors, and by the time your opponents pull out anouther frieza first form, you'll have turn 4 warriors. Vegeta is also a beast, but he is a super rare so there might not be more than one or two in a deck (considering that the cost of a pack is 4 bucks!!). And the whole great ape thing might not be a problem in some alien decks, but never the less, an ape can be a problem.

so what are your thoughts?


Competitive decks will not ever be constrained by availability or prices. If someone wants to run 3 Vegetas, they will run 3 Vegetas.

Also, Apes are not part of Alien's strategy. Neither are forms 1 and 2 of Frieza. Competitive decks will run only forms 3 and 4, complemented with a smattering of the best warriors for their turn costs and the powerful alien techs that will stop you from getting rid of Frieza.

[Zero]

Competitive decks will not ever be constrained by availability or prices. If someone wants to run 3 Vegetas, they will run 3 Vegetas.

Also, Apes are not part of Alien's strategy. Neither are forms 1 and 2 of Frieza. Competitive decks will run only forms 3 and 4, complemented with a smattering of the best warriors for their turn costs and the powerful alien techs that will stop you from getting rid of Frieza.

QFT. everything you said is dead on.

In the competative world, if a card is good, everyone will be running it x3 if the deck calls for it, no matter how hard it is to get.

[DBZFan]

Competitive decks will not ever be constrained by availability or prices. If someone wants to run 3 Vegetas, they will run 3 Vegetas.

Also, Apes are not part of Alien's strategy. Neither are forms 1 and 2 of Frieza. Competitive decks will run only forms 3 and 4, complemented with a smattering of the best warriors for their turn costs and the powerful alien techs that will stop you from getting rid of Frieza.

dont you have to have fist form frieza first then second to get to final or is there another way? Also, why wouldn't ape be apart of a alien deck, it has sayians to run it, and if it's not, what deck does it belong to? I can maby see super cause of goku and gohan. And how hard is it to get ahold of super rares? Cause i know that old z player had a terrible time getting 6 stars to complet the 1-5 of say goku, even competitive.

[Yondaime Zero]

Competitive decks will not ever be constrained by availability or prices. If someone wants to run 3 Vegetas, they will run 3 Vegetas.

Also, Apes are not part of Alien's strategy. Neither are forms 1 and 2 of Frieza. Competitive decks will run only forms 3 and 4, complemented with a smattering of the best warriors for their turn costs and the powerful alien techs that will stop you from getting rid of Frieza.QFT, like Zero said, this is all true.

dont you have to have fist form frieza first then second to get to final or is there another way? Also, why wouldn't ape be apart of a alien deck, it has sayians to run it, and if it's not, what deck does it belong to? I can maby see super cause of goku and gohan. And how hard is it to get ahold of super rares? Cause i know that old z player had a terrible time getting 6 stars to complet the 1-5 of say goku, even competitive.Learn grammar and game mechanics please.

You can just play 3rd Form and go straight to Final. Ape is a pain in the *** to get out and should only be run in a dedicated deck. Availability is never a problem in competetive playing =\

[DBZFan]

QFT, like Zero said, this is all true.

Learn grammar and game mechanics please.

You can just play 3rd Form and go straight to Final. Ape is a pain in the *** to get out and should only be run in a dedicated deck. Availability is never a problem in competetive playing =\

How can you play form 3 frieza without the first 2?:confused: I must have missed something.

[JaniGreen]

How can you play form 3 frieza without the first 2?:confused: I must have missed something.

By Deploying it. Only Final Form says you can't deploy it. The others can be either deployed OR evolved, Final Form must be deployed or put into play through a card effect.

[Bibbidi-Bobbidi-Buu]

How can you play form 3 frieza without the first 2?:confused: I must have missed something.

Where on the 3rd form card does it say that this warrior can only be played by the 2nd form's effect? I'll answer that question for you. It doesn't. Notice how on the Frieza final form card it says that this warrior cannot be deployed? Do you see that on the 3rd form card? No, you don't. The evolution trait is there as an option. You CAN evolve the 2nd form into the 3rd form, but you don'y have to.
Ok, with that being said, all what JaniGreen said is true. Competitive Alien decks will only run the 3rd form and the final form. This is so that you don't get stuck with say Frieza on the field with Frieza 3rd Form in your hand, but can't play it because you don't have Frieza 2nd Form in your hand. Another way to get Frieza Final Form out is to charge it, discard it using a technique, and then wishing it back with Upa's wish.
Ok, so now you know the true power of alien decks and why they will be so good.

[DBZFan]

wow! no wonder alien is going to kill, at least super saiyan goku doesn't need goku to play it. Is there a stop to prevent frieza from getting play? the only way then is to kill 3rd form. i should think about alien instead of super:o

[NUMBER 1 IN DRAGON BALL]

alien seem's o draw bad han'd so that's a advantige other deck have

[JaniGreen]

alien seem's o draw bad han'd so that's a advantige other deck have

Please elaborate. Why would Alien have worse hands than other decks?

[NUMBER 1 IN DRAGON BALL]

Please elaborate. Why would Alien have worse hands than other decks?
i said it seem's dont get all but hurt

[JaniGreen]

i said it seem's dont get all but hurt

Hey, I'm just trying to have a discussion. It's hard to discuss a point without any details.

[JaniGreen]

i dont now its the dark armed dragon of yugioh but it not hitting it's drop's would make it lose happen's in naruto all the time

Yes, but what makes its drops different than any other deck?

[NUMBER 1 IN DRAGON BALL]

i don't think they draw any worse than anyother deck, they may go though decks a little faster but not enough to lose the game over. does anyone know how to realy beat aliens?

i dont now its the dark armed dragon of yugioh but it not hitting it's drop's would make it lose happen's in naruto all the time

[brolly]

i don't think they draw any worse than anyother deck, they may go though decks a little faster but not enough to lose the game over. does anyone know how to realy beat aliens?

[NUMBER 1 IN DRAGON BALL]

Yes, but what makes its drops different than any other deck?there all the same he just ask how you beat it drawing no early drop's your opponit drawing evrything im sayiny the best way to beat it is getting lucky and sack it

[brolly]

i dont now its the dark armed dragon of yugioh but it not hitting it's drop's would make it lose happen's in naruto all the time

ok... say that again in english?

[brolly]

nevermind i reread it and it makes more since now but i don't agree with it
nice mature responce there fido how old are you 13?

[NUMBER 1 IN DRAGON BALL]

nevermind i reread it and it makes more since now but i don't agree with it
nice mature responce there fido how old are you 13?
yes i am lol

[brolly]

belive me it shows

[NUMBER 1 IN DRAGON BALL]

belive me it showsok we should stop spamming and get back to the thread

[brolly]

well can anyone say anything on how to beat alien decks?

[brolly]

anything usefull that comes from playtesting... why am i above you?

[soviet prince]

by making a deck :p

[Perfect Cell]

Getting back to the "Why aliens draw worse hands subject",
IF you go by the Goku and Frieza starters alone, Goku's starter DESTROYS, and completely owns Friezas. I have them both, and Goku has so much more power, SURE, FRIEZA 3RD FORM IS A 6/3, but 6 is the highest in that deck, with Piccolo Jr being 2nd at a 5/2. Thats the best it has. NO 3 supports, OR Ranfan (WHICH GOKU HAS 2 OF), which basically has 3 support.. lol
Goku gets, Krillin 4/2, Tien 4/2, CELL 3/3! even injured, MASTER ROSHI 3/2 who can power any Hermit styles up by +1 including himself (Making him a potential 3 supporter), Master Shen and 2 Chiaotzus....both providing 2 support each. Frieza LACKS support, big time..not him self, but other people wise, he does.
Yes, I am going to agree, Aliens probably will have a great turn out this set, almost for certain, but nothing goes to say that SUPER wont...lol. The game is already looking really good IMO.

[Sevonj]

I believe there are plenty of ways of stopping frieza decks like emperor pilaf and one last attack will work to slow or stop frieza decks down

[SuperSnowman]

Roshi's ability only affects the combat value of Hermit Style warriors, not their support value.

[DBZFan]

Getting back to the "Why aliens draw worse hands subject",
IF you go by the Goku and Frieza starters alone, Goku's starter DESTROYS, and completely owns Friezas. I have them both, and Goku has so much more power, SURE, FRIEZA 3RD FORM IS A 6/3, but 6 is the highest in that deck, with Piccolo Jr being 2nd at a 5/2. Thats the best it has. NO 3 supports, OR Ranfan (WHICH GOKU HAS 2 OF), which basically has 3 support.. lol
Goku gets, Krillin 4/2, Tien 4/2, CELL 3/3! even injured, MASTER ROSHI 3/2 who can power any Hermit styles up by +1 including himself (Making him a potential 3 supporter), Master Shen and 2 Chiaotzus....both providing 2 support each. Frieza LACKS support, big time..not him self, but other people wise, he does.
Yes, I am going to agree, Aliens probably will have a great turn out this set, almost for certain, but nothing goes to say that SUPER wont...lol. The game is already looking really good IMO.


It's true that alien doesn't have very good T0 cards, but just look at the upper level. Like I said before, the sayians being alien (for the most part) help alot. he has radtiz (spelling?) who is a solid turn one, nappa who is a little bit disappointing but fine non the less, and vegeta who we mentioned before is a beast. We know that alien will have at least one more big heavy hitter in the future: super sayian vegeta. They will probably add baby as a alien too.

[JaniGreen]

Getting back to the "Why aliens draw worse hands subject",
IF you go by the Goku and Frieza starters alone, Goku's starter DESTROYS, and completely owns Friezas. I have them both, and Goku has so much more power, SURE, FRIEZA 3RD FORM IS A 6/3, but 6 is the highest in that deck, with Piccolo Jr being 2nd at a 5/2. Thats the best it has. NO 3 supports, OR Ranfan (WHICH GOKU HAS 2 OF), which basically has 3 support.. lol
Goku gets, Krillin 4/2, Tien 4/2, CELL 3/3! even injured, MASTER ROSHI 3/2 who can power any Hermit styles up by +1 including himself (Making him a potential 3 supporter), Master Shen and 2 Chiaotzus....both providing 2 support each. Frieza LACKS support, big time..not him self, but other people wise, he does.
Yes, I am going to agree, Aliens probably will have a great turn out this set, almost for certain, but nothing goes to say that SUPER wont...lol. The game is already looking really good IMO.

Actually, I've had pretty even results with the decks. The thing about the Frieza deck is that what it lacks in numbers (although, just to let you know, Kyui has 2 support as well) it makes up in the techs and events. Where Super gets Combination, a fairly useless card, Frieza's starter has Captured, which essentially lets you make a whole team unable to block on the turn you play it (If you hit one member with it, the whole team can't be sent out). Frieza's Henchmen is also a very good card that can bounce away a warrior, giving you a nice boost in power and, sometimes more importantly, removing some of their dragonballs. Finally, Special Beam Cannon is much better than Kamehameha - that's all I need to say about that.

[superbluff5]

I am freaking out a bit over the game coming out. I always do this when the release is near because i have no idea what kind of deck i should run or what decks are even good. I want a list of cards to come out soon so i can make a decision. From what i see Super and Alien are like the Fire and Water of Naruto when it first came out. I guess my deck will depend on what i get from my boxes.

[ShadowHyuga2525]

A few of you are saying that Alien decks have little support and that because of this lack of support it is weakened. But what some of you are forgetting is that Alien can easily splash all those support cards such as T0 Goku, or Ran-Fan, etc. A Mono-Alien deck doesn't have to be literally all Alien. Just like in Naruto where almost every deck splashes in SHika and Choji.

[brolly]

he's got a good point there

[JaniGreen]

Frieza deck gets raped in the face by Goku.

It's absolutely no competition. None. Frieza Fails to Goku.

Once the set hits however, just like everyone said, Alien rapes everything's face. 2 negations, DB, FF, nothing compares.

Stop spewing these things like they are facts. Like I said, I have played the decks. I own the decks. I am telling you, from personal experience, the decks have been on pretty even footing. Maybe it's good luck on my side, maybe it's bad luck on yours, or perhaps a little of both. But you cannot tell me I am wrong on a basic observation I have made.

[missingo]

Actually, I've had pretty even results with the decks. The thing about the Frieza deck is that what it lacks in numbers (although, just to let you know, Kyui has 2 support as well) it makes up in the techs and events. Where Super gets Combination, a fairly useless card, Frieza's starter has Captured, which essentially lets you make a whole team unable to block on the turn you play it (If you hit one member with it, the whole team can't be sent out). Frieza's Henchmen is also a very good card that can bounce away a warrior, giving you a nice boost in power and, sometimes more importantly, removing some of their dragonballs. Finally, Special Beam Cannon is much better than Kamehameha - that's all I need to say about that.
Frieza deck gets raped in the face by Goku.

It's absolutely no competition. None. Frieza Fails to Goku.

Once the set hits however, just like everyone said, Alien rapes everything's face. 2 negations, DB, FF, nothing compares.

[Perfect Cell]

Frieza deck gets raped in the face by Goku.

It's absolutely no competition. None. Frieza Fails to Goku.

Once the set hits however, just like everyone said, Alien rapes everything's face. 2 negations, DB, FF, nothing compares.

Exactly. Frieza does have some really good things, but by the time ur ready to play Captured, u dont have enough Warriors to split up and make much of a difference. I know it will be a great card when the set hits, but for the starters, its just OK. Goku has enough huge ninjas to be splitting up and hitting big time b4 Frieza can FINALLY make a team worthy of fighting Goku, Cell, and Ranfan. Im not trying to start an arguement, im just saying, out of about 10 games, Frieza won twice lol.

[Zero]

Exactly. Frieza does have some really good things, but by the time ur ready to play Captured, u dont have enough Warriors to split up and make much of a difference. I know it will be a great card when the set hits, but for the starters, its just OK. Goku has enough huge ninjas to be splitting up and hitting big time b4 Frieza can FINALLY make a team worthy of fighting Goku, Cell, and Ranfan. Im not trying to start an arguement, im just saying, out of about 10 games, Frieza won twice lol.

I actualy adressed this in my article on Teamcovenant.com

Why was it that Freiza kept losing? because its team power wasnt as strong as Goku decks team power. Thats because Goku deck had Ranfan, Chiatzu, Cell, and Goku being powered up by roshi to top it off.

Freiza had 1 copy each of stages 1-3 of freiza 2 piccolo Jrs and 2 master shen. everything else in the deck was just awful. lets not forget Goku has senzu bean to heal, while Freiza has true form which does practicaly nothing. in a nut shell, bandai packed all teh good characters and useable techs in goku deck, and shafted the freiza -_-

Dont go by the starter decks, beng that they dont represent the builds at all.

[brolly]

in my games the wins where less to do with the decks and more to do with the skill and experience of the players the decks themselves were about even with freiza's deck doing good late game and goku's deck doing good early game it really just depends on the players involved I’ve won about 80% of the games I’ve played just because I’ve played naruto and other cards games all my life and knew what to do with the dbz cards because of reviews of the cards and discussion on this very sight. The only person to beat me is my older brother who has had less experience with dbz but more card game experience. however when its two people new to the game the win ratio is about 60-40 in favor of the goku decks simply because it does better in early game and the games don't last long. this is just what I’ve seen so far and i do belive that the goku starter is better than the freiza starter just based off the cards you get (krillian, ranfan, goku, and cell) but the freiza starter is a must to do a alien deck so in the end I say that they are about even as the starter for goku has a little more power but the frieza is better for deck building. Also the events for frieza are much better as combination sucks.

[Bazooha!!]

Alien rush will be good an all but to me it is far from stupid brokes I made an earth/super decks that does really well and unless mono alien can handle my high drops coming out several turns ealry then I could care less.

[Kisame8988]

I've noticed that the Goku deck wins more than the Frieza deck.

Just control the market on the SR aliens and you won't have to worry about it, at least at your local:D

[DBZFan]

I've noticed that the Goku deck wins more than the Frieza deck.

Just control the market on the SR aliens and you won't have to worry about it, at least at your local:D

well, it seems like SR are easier to obtain than ultra rares were in the old dbz by score. It took like 5 booster boxs to get an ultra rare, and that was not even the harder to find ones like all the goku level 5s. I know i shouldn't compare the two card games, ones been dead for 4 years now, but i remember playing at a tournament, every one only had one ultra rare, and if that were the equivalent of a SR, then i think the card game would be much more balanced. But, we will see, maby bandai knows what their doing putting SR easier to get.

[JaniGreen]

SRs in the Naruto CCG are extremely easy to get. 4 per box, compared to DBZ's 3 per box. Plus, the Naruto CCG had ridiculously easy 'pack tricks', guaranteeing a super rare. Seeing as its the same company, this will probably be the case.

I could see no difference between the packs with SR and without in my box of DBCCG. Also, there were several Naruto SRs that were crap - not the case with DBCCG, at least with this set.

[Zero]

I could see no difference between the packs with SR and without in my box of DBCCG.
If it's like naruto, Its not visible to the untrained eye.

Also, there were several Naruto SRs that were crap - not the case with DBCCG, at least with this set
Freiza is a horrible Super. Granted its the only bad one in the set, but its still very very bad.

[Kisame8988]

SRs in the Naruto CCG are extremely easy to get. 4 per box, compared to DBZ's 3 per box. Plus, the Naruto CCG had ridiculously easy 'pack tricks', guaranteeing a super rare. Seeing as its the same company, this will probably be the case.

[Perfect Cell]

Stop spewing these things like they are facts. Like I said, I have played the decks. I own the decks. I am telling you, from personal experience, the decks have been on pretty even footing. Maybe it's good luck on my side, maybe it's bad luck on yours, or perhaps a little of both. But you cannot tell me I am wrong on a basic observation I have made.

I also own the decks. (=
Senzu Beans, are yes, amazing for that deck, although most of the time Goku didnt even need to use it...but when he DID need it, it was game over just about lol.
And its definitely not to do with player experience, its me, and my friend, which have been playing Naruto since it was released, and we both know all the rules of DB so far, instruction books, and all. And we dont make mistakes in our moves, we know what splitting up and destroying is. lol. Anyways, u get the idea. Just saying, for something such as a starter deck tournament, Goku will almost certainly win.

[DBZFan]

Freiza is a horrible Super. Granted its the only bad one in the set, but its still very very bad.

Well, the frieza wouldn't have been all that bad if it were not for the hidden risk of his card power. The combat and support values are average, and i think what really kills it from being useful (besides the card power) you can get the same type of frieza in the starter deck. i plan on going with a unique/ alien theme, and i'll use all 4 forms of frieza. (Maby, i pulled the FF in the first pack i got, thinking about selling or keeping, maby no play at all but it's so good):(

Edit: I made a mistake, seems the Frieza Starter deck super rare has a higher combat value while injured. yep, just get that frieza instead

[DBZ]

I also own the decks. (=
Senzu Beans, are yes, amazing for that deck, although most of the time Goku didnt even need to use it...but when he DID need it, it was game over just about lol.
And its definitely not to do with player experience, its me, and my friend, which have been playing Naruto since it was released, and we both know all the rules of DB so far, instruction books, and all. And we dont make mistakes in our moves, we know what splitting up and destroying is. lol. Anyways, u get the idea. Just saying, for something such as a starter deck tournament, Goku will almost certainly win.

Goku IS the better Starter Deck, it's just fact. I played almost ALL day today with starters to test it out, and the Goku won EVERY time. We were all even switching decks to see if it was just skill/luck. =/

[gammerx]

SRs in the Naruto CCG are extremely easy to get. 4 per box, compared to DBZ's 3 per box. Plus, the Naruto CCG had ridiculously easy 'pack tricks', guaranteeing a super rare. Seeing as its the same company, this will probably be the case.

I am actually fairly decent with pack tricking (I only pack trick my own boxes and sometimes if no one else buys from that store) and I must say the DB boxes are nearly impossible =\

[falldowndrunk]

I am actually fairly decent with pack tricking (I only pack trick my own boxes and sometimes if no one else buys from that store) and I must say the DB boxes are nearly impossible =\

But they ARE possible.

2 Packs,2 SR's today.Piccolo and Gohan.

But,I gaurantee a lot less people will spot it,it's not nearly as noticable as Naruto's,and from what I've been hearing,boxes are only containing 3 SR's?I dunno if thats all that true,but if it is,it's gonna be hard as heck to figure out which side has two and which side has one.

But back on topic,Starter wise,I've noticed Goku's deck wins pretty consistently.But,when you make an actual deck,and add those extra ten cards,it makes a difference.

And somewhere near the beginning of this thread,someone mentioned one of the wish cards,used with Frieza's deck.Won't work on me,cause my deck is primarily a rush and plunder deck.I swarm you,take your dragonballs,and wait till I drop Goku to help overpower you.Then your top decking for the rest of the game.

Might not work for everyone,but thats my deck.And its brutal,and the few people I have played never saw it coming!

[DBZFan]

But they ARE possible.

2 Packs,2 SR's today.Piccolo and Gohan.

But,I gaurantee a lot less people will spot it,it's not nearly as noticable as Naruto's,and from what I've been hearing,boxes are only containing 3 SR's?I dunno if thats all that true,but if it is,it's gonna be hard as heck to figure out which side has two and which side has one.



Well, i tell ya, even though the packs are 4 bucks a peace, it does feel like your getting fair cards, and ones that are useful to your deck. Unlike the old z by score where you got a pack and you find out u can only use like 2 cards from it. The first pack i opened had a super rare, and it turned out to be the best: Frieza final form. It was sweet, not going to lie, and thease were picked at random:D