a naruto ccg copy?

[Malik11]

im not trying 2 bag on da dragonball ccg, but if the new naruto shippuden cards dont come out soon. it will be completely ez for a dbz player to own a naruto player.

[JaniGreen]

Except the highest-output reinforcement Technique DBCCG has (Kaio Ken) can only be used by 2 Warriors (with the same Name and a turn cost of 5 or more, even), costs 6 chi for maximum effect, and only gives +5 combat.

Compare to, just glancing through the first set now, Multi Shadow Clone Jutsu (which gives 2x what Kaio Ken does), Lightning Blade (+7/+0), and Crystal Ice Mirror (will nearly always will completely negate Kaio Ken).

This is entirely applicable to all kinds of Techniques as well. Naruto has far more removal and more powerful techniques. DBCCG has mostly just stronger warriors for the turn cost.

[Malik11]

but a rumor is going around that the ss4 goku will have 25/23 stronger than any naruto card:cool:

[wildfire194]

but a rumor is going around that the ss4 goku will have 25/23 stronger than any naruto card:cool:

thats only a rumor, they (Bandai) will never make a card that powerful. If Goku Super Saiyan 4 was that strong he would have alot of restrictions that would make him unplayable and Bandai won't do that.

[JaniGreen]

Ha, that wasn't even a rumor. That was a poster on the board exaggerating in order to say that Bandai shouldn't go crazy over power levels. Of course they wouldn't print a 25/23, that would be just idiotic.

[Ipwnall]

It is a rumor that is all it is. Even it was true it would have to have a huge downside effect and be hard to get on the field so for example can only stay on field for 2 turns and evolution of Goku SS3.

[JaniGreen]

bandai has done many idiotic things , have you heard of the card trick?that was just an easy way for players to get super rares

Yes, they intentionally made a way for dishonest players to seek out the super rares in packs in order to...what, sell less packs?

Every company makes mistakes. Don't hold things like this against them, and don't compare them to things that are so different, such as cards that clearly would never even make it off of the idea floor, let alone into and out of playtesting.

You need a better attitude.

[Malik11]

bandai has done many idiotic things , have you heard of the card trick?that was just an easy way for players to get super rares

[wildfire194]

bandai has done many idiotic things , have you heard of the card trick?that was just an easy way for players to get super rares

there is a big difference between a trick to get better cards and Bandai printing a card that is beyond broken.

[Zero]

bandai has done many idiotic things , have you heard of the card trick?that was just an easy way for players to get super rares

Or rather, a way to insure that boxes have the correct amount of super rares in them 99% of the time -_-

Machines cant tell which packs have SRs in them, they need to make SR packs on a different assembly line and add them in. slight difference in the packs insures that if an error occured and the packs were jumbled, they would be able to identify which packs are which.

also, the 25/23 thing is completely false.

[Malik11]

Or rather, a way to insure that boxes have the correct amount of super rares in them 99% of the time -_-

Machines cant tell which packs have SRs in them, they need to make SR packs on a different assembly line and add them in. slight difference in the packs insures that if an error occured and the packs were jumbled, they would be able to identify which packs are which.

also, the 25/23 thing is completely false.

thank you for clarifying:o:o

[Mr. Shine]

If you want some insurance, I would never allow a 25/23 to pass by me without a massive restriction.

[botounami]

25/23 still gets owned by Death Ball.

:)

[DBZFan]

but a rumor is going around that the ss4 goku will have 25/23 stronger than any naruto card:cool:

yea, i made that speculation lol. But it might happen........ who knows what ss4 gogeta will be

[DBZFan]

there is a big difference between a trick to get better cards and Bandai printing a card that is beyond broken.

it's called ebay. People don't have to buy packs anymore, they just buy the one card their looking for

[Ipwnall]

That won't happen because that makes the game broken.

[Getalinks]

Either way, aside from casual play, how many DBZ vs. Naruto tournaments do you think will be held on a official scale until the games are balanced against each other? I'm not to concerned about how my DBZ deck will fair against someone's Naruto deck. Now, challenge my deck DBZ vs. DBZ and we're on. ;)

[JaniGreen]

if there is a naruto vs dbz tournament many dbz cards will be restricted

What cards, and why?

[Malik11]

yea, i made that speculation lol. But it might happen........ who knows what ss4 gogeta will be

how could you make the speculation if u knew it would be false

[JaniGreen]

i meant in the future if they do make cards that exceed 9/9 they will only be allowed in upper level tournaments

Why do you think they will make cards that exceed 9/9, and why are they only allowed in upper level tournaments? You mean you can only play them in, for example, a National tournament?

Sorry to interrogate you, I'm just trying to understand what you are saying.

[Malik11]

Either way, aside from casual play, how many DBZ vs. Naruto tournaments do you think will be held on a official scale until the games are balanced against each other? I'm not to concerned about how my DBZ deck will fair against someone's Naruto deck. Now, challenge my deck DBZ vs. DBZ and we're on. ;)

if there is a naruto vs dbz tournament many dbz cards will be restricted

[Malik11]

What cards, and why?

i meant in the future if they do make cards that exceed 9/9 they will only be allowed in upper level tournaments

[Malik11]

Why do you think they will make cards that exceed 9/9, and why are they only allowed in upper level tournaments? You mean you can only play them in, for example, a National tournament?

Sorry to interrogate you, I'm just trying to understand what you are saying.

yes , bigger tournaments that only upper level players can use them against other upper level players

[JaniGreen]

yes , bigger tournaments that only upper level players can use them against other upper level players

I don't understand that logic at all. Let me explain why this is totally flawed:

First of all, I think you are under the assumption that these cards would break the game. Let's use a hypothetical card for the sake of ease of argument. We'll call him Super Saiyan 4 Goku. I think this is the kind of card you have in mind, and please correct me if I'm wrong:

Super Saiyan 4 Goku - Super
Turn: 8 Chi: 2 Super
Toughness, Super Heal
This warrior cannot be injured or discarded by the effect of a Technique.
9/9

Yes, that is amazing. Very amazing. The problem? We have playtesters for this game, including Mr. Shine, one of the moderators of this board. It is the job of these playtesters to make sure cards like this Super Saiyan 4 Goku are not released, because they are too good. The real one would probably look something a little more like this:

Super Saiyan 4 Goku - Super
Turn: 8 Chi: -
Toughness, Super Heal, Time Limit 3
This warrior cannot be deployed.
This warrior cannot be removed from play by the effect of a Technique.
9/7

I'm not calling myself an expert playtester, but anyone can see that this card is much more balanced than the other (though still probably overpowered, maybe Time Limit 2?), while still retaining the power level of a Super Saiyan 4. He could presumably only be put into play by Upa's Wish or an Evolution effect from another card we'll make up called Goku [Golden Oozaru]. When he's in play, he has a Time Limit set on him, after which he will be sent to the Chi, meaning he'll be powerful, but you'll only have a few turns to take advantage of it. He can still be injured by card effects, too, but he retains an ability that stops your opponent from screwing you out of all your hard work with a well placed Death Ball. Finally, his support was lowered...well, just because 9/7 felt more right.

This is what will be done to make powerful warriors still be fair in the game. Now, let me explain why your idea of restricting them to high level tournaments would not work.

The first, and probably most important point, is that there are players who buy these cards to play the game and have fun. If they pull Super Saiyan 4 Goku, they'll be ecstatic. He's cool, he's huge, let's make a deck with him! Oh wait, little Johnny, you can't play that in your local tournament. Sorry, he is only for Pro Players! Do you see the problem? It makes some packs not only useless, but actually disappointing.

The second reason, which is also very important, is that it creates an unbalanced environment that is hard to prepare for or playtest for. A majority of players will get the best playtesting for their decks done at local tournaments, and then take them to Regionals, and, if they qualify, take them to Nationals. But, surprise! At Nationals, it turns out EVERYBODY is playing Super Saiyan 4 Goku decks, a deck that Johnny McCasualPlayer has never been able to play against before because it wasn't allowed. This would create a terribly awkward metagame in which local tournament decks are very different from, and perhaps not even competitive with, national tournament decks. You'll get what we call the Yu-Gi-Oh! effect: Only the pro players have the best cards, and they all keep them and play them themselves.

You need to understand that DBCCG is not about 25/23s with no drawbacks. They are not going to up the power level so much that Naruto can't keep up. They have plenty of ways of making cards feel powerful without ramping up the straight combat values, or if they do, they add significant drawbacks so they don't break the game.

[Evil Jim]

I believe DB vs Naruto tournament might be held as side tournaments at big conventions. Also, if anything is restricted it would be naruto cards, stats mean very little, when you have cards that can wipe the field clean.

[Malik11]

I believe DB vs Naruto tournament might be held as side tournaments at big conventions. Also, if anything is restricted it would be naruto cards, stats mean very little, when you have cards that can wipe the field clean.

still a naruto vs dbz tournament would be a very interesting sight

[majingogeta344]

no one is doubting that, but all thoughts aside, Naruto would have to have a ban list in DB vs. Naruto, as Naruto accentuates bounce in the game while DB accentuates pumps a little bit more.

And there is a heck of a lot more good cards in Naruto now, than in DBZ.

[Mr. Shine]

still a naruto vs dbz tournament would be a very interesting sight

no one is doubting that, but all thoughts aside, Naruto would have to have a ban list in DB vs. Naruto, as Naruto accentuates bounce in the game while DB accentuates pumps a little bit more.

Not to mention my Chiatzu getting 8-trigrammed while holding 6 Dragonballs makes me go:

: O
>.<
T_T

[DBZFan]

how could you make the speculation if u knew it would be false

Take it easy man, it was an over statement of what bandia shold not do, and it should have been taken lightly. it was essentially a joke buddy, look at the forum it came from.

[DBZFan]

but a rumor is going around that the ss4 goku will have 25/23 stronger than any naruto card:cool:

for the record, it was 25/23 while injured lol :D