Why old school DBZ players dont like the game...

[PalmdaleX]

Well here is my theory..

They say that the old one is better.. and that is probly took more skill and what not..

But i dont like the old school players bashing on this new game..

WE havent even seen a rule book yet so cool it..

If you dont like this game then play the old one.. which died so goodluck..

Until we see how the game is after the first set.. then people can talk..


Also on a side note: i will be the one top 8ing in the first major event for this game in Cali... hahaha... i hope they have good prize support

[CaMeRoN]

Also on a side note: i will be the one top 8ing in the first major event for this game in Cali... hahaha... i hope they have good prize support

Your a little full of yourself, arn't you?

I don't understand why everyone is bashing this game. Infact, I would have expected that DragonBall, DragonBall Z, and DragonBall GT fans would have been happy that their favorite series was being re-incarnated into another CCG. The facts are that the old Re:Z and DragonBall Z are no longer played on a large scale basis. You don't have to jump ship with your morales or connections with your old game, but don't you guys think that you should at least give this game a chance before saying that it isn't good enough to compete with the old? Wouldn't it be better to play a current game with your favorite characters than play an old game that is no longer played on a large scale? Personally, my answers to those questions are; "Yes, I will give this game a chance." and "Yes, I would like to play a game featuring my favorite series in large scale tournaments.".

[DNaraku]

I'll tell you the EXACT reason why.

It's because the only people who support the old game and bash this one so harshly are Score fanboys who only play Score games and only congregate on Top Tier. They're angry because Naruto took off, a Bandai game while Bleach, a Score game is doing absolutely pitiful right now.

[King Piccolo]

I've been playing DBZ in card game form ever since the Saiyan Saga of the first game. Truth is, I'm really looking forward to this new game. I would've preferred an engine similiar to the one score utilized and i miss seeing actual power levels AND i would've liked it to be saga oriented but bandai must've realized that after score ended their first game (unnecesserily IMHO) they failed using that engine twice with GT and ReZ so it's understandable why they'd change it to a system that they know works. Making it compatible with Naruto also makes a large existing fan base have less reasons to not play. As for the saga thing, this way they don't have to make a turn 5 Radditz like they probably would have if they had started in the Saiyan Saga. Just my two cents.

[Super_Saiya-jin_Vegeta]

There really isn't much of a reason for the old school players to be hating on this new game. So what if it doesn't run off an engine similar to the old game. This is a game original to Bandai, so they're not going to go off and copy and engine that only Score utilized for their version of the game.

Bandai knows what works best for it and Score knew hat worked best for its company. Though, with their current track record with Bleach (only putting this together from what I've heard/been seeing), its nice to have another anime based card game to fall back onto.

But, whatever. Each to his own. If some of the old school fans of the original game don't care for the game, then that's their call. I played the old game myself, but I'm willing to give this one a chance to try and ensure its success.

[kamiccolo]

Well here is my theory..
They say that the old one is better.. and that is probly took more skill and what not..
But i dont like the old school players bashing on this new game..
WE havent even seen a rule book yet so cool it..
Until we see how the game is after the first set.. then people can talk..

We haven't seen a rule book yet, but we do already know a decent amount about the game. We know it's going to be very similar to the naruto card game. I've also heard some people say it's just going to be an english version of an already made Japanese dbz card game (although I'm not sure if this is true).
I don't see why your complaining about people not liking the game. You have already made a decision that this game is going to be great based off the little information you have, I don't see the problem with someone else using this same information but having a different opinion of it than you do.

Most of the people from toptiergaming (the main site for the old dbz card game) do expect this game to be bad. But they are still going to wait until the game is released to make their final decision. When score first started showing spoilers for the GT card game a lot of people quit because the game seemed ruined with the new overpowered cards and rule changes. Those that stayed and kept playing to give the new game a chance found out that the overpowered cards didn't make much difference and with the new gt rules the game was even better than before. These are the same people who are still at toptiergaming, they may be expecting Bandais dbccg game to be bad, but most will wait until the game is released and give it a chance before they make a final decision to play or not.

DBZ was the reason why people first got into scores card game. But it wasn't the reason why people kept playing it even after they stopped watching the anime. They continued playing it because of the game engine. Now that they are no longer big fans of the dbz anime, Bandai is going to have to do more to attract the old dbz players than just have a Naruto game with dbz pictures on the cards.


If you dont like this game then play the old one.. which died so goodluck..
Theres still a decent amount of people playing the old game (considering that it ended around 3 years ago and theres no longer any tournaments being held). Toptiergaming is holding online tournaments through MWS and creating virtual card sets to stop the game from getting boring with the card library never changing.


I hope my post didn't seem like I was "bashing" Bandais dbzccg game too much. I hope it does well and is a fun game to play, but you wanted to know why the old dbz players didn't like it so I thought I'd tell you =P. Theres probably better explanations from people on the topic about this game on toptiergaming, but I'm too lazy to go through 8 pages of posts and copy everything they said.

[Baz]

I agree with everything that Kamiccolo has said, and then some.

If you guys can decide that you like this game based on a few scans and purely what Bandai say, then the rest of us can decide we dont like it based on the same information.

Most "old school players", myself included, don't really care about the DBZ "flavour", we only care about gameplay and mechanics. The fact that most of us have tried Naruto (I have a truck load of Japanese language stuff) and in the end most of us were "displeased" with how Bandai changed the game for the English release (the change of character recruitment to Turns instead of number of characters already in play), especially since it was a huge change in the engine and never bothering to change any of the cards affected by it (Akamaru, for example). To top it all off the translations were ambiguous in most cases, which in turn leads to more errata than you can shake a stick at. Organised Play wasnt interesting enough either, all that work for a headband or something like that.

Sure some people say this game will be built from the ground up, but the fact is it is still using the same Naruto engine as a base, which they themselves screwed up. They can say all these things about how its "not" Naruto, but you look at the DBZ scans that were in the Shonen Jump, everything fits right down to the positioning of all the important information. Its Naruto dressed up as DBZ, Bandai will not get the Old DBZ CCG players by just dressing another game (that most of us found bland, boring and derivative) up in DBZ clothes and think that we won't notice.

You can't paint a lemon with orange paint and call it an orange, its still a lemon. Bandai are doing the same thing.

The average age of an Old DBZ CCG player is 19-20 these days and we know the value of gameplay vs flavour. We all tried Naruto, the OP was abysmal (especially in Australia where it took 6 months after the original US release to get the first release), and the game was flawed. So we all just went back to something that had more substance to it than any Japanese CCG (which nearly always play the same).

The only reason Naruto has taken off as opposed to Bleach is due to its marketability, its shown in Primetime TV slots, its more "kid friendly" due to VIZ's very rigorous cuts, while Bleach is only shown in the "adult swim" blocks, and is by most standards very violent and not suited for kids. Most people who play Naruto are young kids who play the game because its got that Naruto flavour, not because it has deep gameplay and interesting mechanics, these same kids will play this DBZ game because it has the flavour and its practically the same darn game, they won't have to learn anything new besides some terminology and heaven forbid 1 or 2 new mechanics.

"Flavour" (what little there is with 2 guys screaming at each other for a few episodes at a time) and familiarity are about the only things this DBZ will have going for it. The older players will not go for it. They want a game that makes them think and can continually change and remain interesting.

I am far from a Zealot of Score, even I can find criticism for how they ran the old games, no gaming company is perfect, but most companies learn from their mistakes.

If Bandai can show the Old School DBZ CCG player base that they've learnt from their mistakes on Naruto, then I'm sure a lot more of us will be open minded about trying this new game.

Top Tier will support this new game (since we all like new things), but for how long is in Bandai's court.

[DNaraku]

Oh my god, do yoy people honestly not see how busted the game would have been had they kept the original means of deployment.

I have 4 ninja on the field to your 4, I swing with a team of 3 and you block with a team of 3 and use a Vortex. I still have my 4 Ninja, and you're left with one. You have to build back up feom crap, with crappy low cost Ninja while I'd be dropping Jonin's and Kage's on you.

Aside from some stupid cards, which got fixed there's not a d*mn thing wrong with how Naruto plays. One argument I've heard suggest that it's another "boring stat comparing game." To that I only have 3 words.

Magic
Yugioh
Bleach

[soviet prince]

old z was a great game but they need to get past that old z is no longer in production and this bandai game is a brand new game. I personally don't have a problem with it sharing the Naruto engine becuse naruto was a fun game and it's team mech. was unique and intresting and a break from the other card games that are out know. Also as far as translating prob. you don't have to worry about that in this game becuse I believe they are making the effects from scratch so no translating needs to occur.

[dbgoldberg323]

I agree with everything that Kamiccolo has said, and then some.

If you guys can decide that you like this game based on a few scans and purely what Bandai say, then the rest of us can decide we dont like it based on the same information.

Most "old school players", myself included, don't really care about the DBZ "flavour", we only care about gameplay and mechanics. The fact that most of us have tried Naruto (I have a truck load of Japanese language stuff) and in the end most of us were "displeased" with how Bandai changed the game for the English release (the change of character recruitment to Turns instead of number of characters already in play), especially since it was a huge change in the engine and never bothering to change any of the cards affected by it (Akamaru, for example). To top it all off the translations were ambiguous in most cases, which in turn leads to more errata than you can shake a stick at. Organised Play wasnt interesting enough either, all that work for a headband or something like that.

Sure some people say this game will be built from the ground up, but the fact is it is still using the same Naruto engine as a base, which they themselves screwed up. They can say all these things about how its "not" Naruto, but you look at the DBZ scans that were in the Shonen Jump, everything fits right down to the positioning of all the important information. Its Naruto dressed up as DBZ, Bandai will not get the Old DBZ CCG players by just dressing another game (that most of us found bland, boring and derivative) up in DBZ clothes and think that we won't notice.

You can't paint a lemon with orange paint and call it an orange, its still a lemon. Bandai are doing the same thing.

The average age of an Old DBZ CCG player is 19-20 these days and we know the value of gameplay vs flavour. We all tried Naruto, the OP was abysmal (especially in Australia where it took 6 months after the original US release to get the first release), and the game was flawed. So we all just went back to something that had more substance to it than any Japanese CCG (which nearly always play the same).

The only reason Naruto has taken off as opposed to Bleach is due to its marketability, its shown in Primetime TV slots, its more "kid friendly" due to VIZ's very rigorous cuts, while Bleach is only shown in the "adult swim" blocks, and is by most standards very violent and not suited for kids. Most people who play Naruto are young kids who play the game because its got that Naruto flavour, not because it has deep gameplay and interesting mechanics, these same kids will play this DBZ game because it has the flavour and its practically the same darn game, they won't have to learn anything new besides some terminology and heaven forbid 1 or 2 new mechanics.

"Flavour" (what little there is with 2 guys screaming at each other for a few episodes at a time) and familiarity are about the only things this DBZ will have going for it. The older players will not go for it. They want a game that makes them think and can continually change and remain interesting.

I am far from a Zealot of Score, even I can find criticism for how they ran the old games, no gaming company is perfect, but most companies learn from their mistakes.

If Bandai can show the Old School DBZ CCG player base that they've learnt from their mistakes on Naruto, then I'm sure a lot more of us will be open minded about trying this new game.

Top Tier will support this new game (since we all like new things), but for how long is in Bandai's court.

Thank you. Took the words right out of my mouth.

PS: Our old store had a large fan base and an average DBZ CCG player age of 16, and that was 8 years ago, so a lot of us are mid-20's now, lol.

[Hiro191]

Ok, old game was great, GT, if you can get past how it was different another great extention to the DBZ CCG.

You wanna know what really threw a bunch of people off. When the first press release came out it seemed to just be Naruto with Goku. Bu its not like that. The same people might be old Naruto PLayers who quit after the Sanin last year, and that were not happy with Bandai in general.

No one can say "I am going to LOVE this game!" Why, because it has Goku on it? Yes the Art looks cool, and at the least i might buy them fore keepsakes, but no one know how the game will feel, not untill Origins, they will be Demoing it then.

[soviet prince]

Ok, old game was great, GT, if you can get past how it was different another great extention to the DBZ CCG.

You wanna know what really threw a bunch of people off. When the first press release came out it seemed to just be Naruto with Goku. Bu its not like that. The same people might be old Naruto PLayers who quit after the Sanin last year, and that were not happy with Bandai in general.

No one can say "I am going to LOVE this game!" Why, because it has Goku on it? Yes the Art looks cool, and at the least i might buy them fore keepsakes, but no one know how the game will feel, not untill Origins, they will be Demoing it then.


do you know when origins is?

[Evil Jim]

do you know when origins is?

June 25-29.

[soviet prince]

June 25-29.

previews and the rules will be out by then :(

[dbgoldberg323]

I don't care about previews as long as I've got a rulebook to drool over.

[CaMeRoN]

previews and the rules will be out by then :(

That's really lame :( WE have to wait almost 3 months before we can get some previews and rules. That will only leave 3 weeks for previews before the set is released.

[soviet prince]

That's really lame :( WE have to wait almost 3 months before we can get some previews and rules. That will only leave 3 weeks for previews before the set is released.

I am hoping they decide to realease it sooner.

[soviet prince]

I don't care about previews as long as I've got a rulebook to drool over.


the fourum glitch is getting bad lol.

yeah a rulebook will help to.

[Hiro191]

I am hoping they decide to realease it sooner.

I am sure they will, at least i hope.

[soviet prince]

I am sure they will, at least i hope.

maybe if we annoy them enough:p

[Dao]

Well here is my theory..

They say that the old one is better.. and that is probly took more skill and what not..

But i dont like the old school players bashing on this new game..

WE havent even seen a rule book yet so cool it..

If you dont like this game then play the old one.. which died so goodluck..

Until we see how the game is after the first set.. then people can talk..


Also on a side note: i will be the one top 8ing in the first major event for this game in Cali... hahaha... i hope they have good prize support

Way to generalize and combo the ignorance with arrogance.

I played DBZ from Saiyan saga to Kid Buu, DBGT from Baby to Lost Episodes and Re-Z from Arrival to Transformation. I still have all my decks too. I'm going to give this new game a chance. I will buy enough to build a good deck and am even going to be a judge when the applications open so I can support its growth at my local store.

I just want to know what makes you people think you know so much. Well? T8? Make it and then you can talk.

EDIT: Oh yeah, almost forgot. If this was a score game, I wouldn't play it under the assumption that they would kill it in three sets.

[CaMeRoN]

Way to generalize and combo the ignorance with arrogance.

I played DBZ from Saiyan saga to Kid Buu, DBGT from Baby to Lost Episodes and Re-Z from Arrival to Transformation. I still have all my decks too. I'm going to give this new game a chance. I will buy enough to build a good deck and am even going to be a judge when the applications open so I can support its growth at my local store.

I just want to know what makes you people think you know so much. Well? T8? Make it and then you can talk.

EDIT: Oh yeah, almost forgot. If this was a score game, I wouldn't play it under the assumption that they would kill it in three sets.

Calm down man. The opinion of one isn't the opinion of many. Granted, PalmdaleX really shouldn't have said something as arrogant as that he would be top 8'in the first big tournament in California. However we can still be bigger men and ignore such blasphemy and instead focus on the positive things said by others.

It's awesome that you are showing a lot of interest in the game even though you played the old Z game. I'm glad that you are setting an awesome example for those players who are not as open-minded as you are. There has been a lot of discussion on these boards and playTCG where this game has been under a negative rainstorm. If only everyone could open their hearts to let in this new game to give it a fighting chance at rivaling the previous Z games.

[Dao]

It's awesome that you are showing a lot of interest in the game even though you played the old Z game. I'm glad that you are setting an awesome example for those players who are not as open-minded as you are. There has been a lot of discussion on these boards and playTCG where this game has been under a negative rainstorm. If only everyone could open their hearts to let in this new game to give it a fighting chance at rivaling the previous Z games.

Yeah, I actually don't like the fact that it's using the Naruto engine, but not because of any problem with that game engine. I play Naruto pretty loyally too, I just like each of the games I play to be unique. Dragonball has been a big part of my hobbies and interests for over half my life, and I will support it any way I can.

[CaMeRoN]

Yeah, I actually don't like the fact that it's using the Naruto engine, but not because of any problem with that game engine. I play Naruto pretty loyally too, I just like each of the games I play to be unique. Dragonball has been a big part of my hobbies and interests for over half my life, and I will support it any way I can.

Yeah, I was against this game using the Naruto CCG engine at the beginning too. However, I came across the idea that Bandai is doing this for a reason. If you have ever played or heard of Shonen Jump All-Stars then you can probably pick up what I'm talking about without me explaining it. For clarity I will explain it. Shonen Jump All-Stars is a fighting game released by Shonen Jump in Japan. The fighting game includes anime characters from every shounen anime (Bleach, Naruto, One Piece, Kekkaishi, YouNameIt). I believe that Bandai is attempting to create their own Shonen Jump All-Stars in the form of a CCG. They are attempting to accomplish that by creating seperate games with similar mechanics. This allows them to have Shonen Jump championships where any of the CCG's can be played against eachother. I'm fairly certain that if this is the direction Bandai is going to take with the compatibility then their next game to pick-up will be One Piece.

[Dao]

That's possible. I just hope it works out well.

[Evil Jim]

This allows them to have Shonen Jump championships where any of the CCG's can be played against eachother.

Sorry, but I don't think that is the case. James has said many times that Bandai will not make the extra rules for the 2 games to fight against each other. But that they are similar so that fans could make make extra rules for fun games.

[soviet prince]

Yeah, I was against this game using the Naruto CCG engine at the beginning too. However, I came across the idea that Bandai is doing this for a reason. If you have ever played or heard of Shonen Jump All-Stars then you can probably pick up what I'm talking about without me explaining it. For clarity I will explain it. Shonen Jump All-Stars is a fighting game released by Shonen Jump in Japan. The fighting game includes anime characters from every shounen anime (Bleach, Naruto, One Piece, Kekkaishi, YouNameIt). I believe that Bandai is attempting to create their own Shonen Jump All-Stars in the form of a CCG. They are attempting to accomplish that by creating seperate games with similar mechanics. This allows them to have Shonen Jump championships where any of the CCG's can be played against eachother. I'm fairly certain that if this is the direction Bandai is going to take with the compatibility then their next game to pick-up will be One Piece.

didn't bandai already do a one piece ccg?

[Master Jetz]

Yeah, I was against this game using the Naruto CCG engine at the beginning too. However, I came across the idea that Bandai is doing this for a reason. If you have ever played or heard of Shonen Jump All-Stars then you can probably pick up what I'm talking about without me explaining it. For clarity I will explain it. Shonen Jump All-Stars is a fighting game released by Shonen Jump in Japan. The fighting game includes anime characters from every shounen anime (Bleach, Naruto, One Piece, Kekkaishi, YouNameIt). I believe that Bandai is attempting to create their own Shonen Jump All-Stars in the form of a CCG. They are attempting to accomplish that by creating seperate games with similar mechanics. This allows them to have Shonen Jump championships where any of the CCG's can be played against eachother. I'm fairly certain that if this is the direction Bandai is going to take with the compatibility then their next game to pick-up will be One Piece.

That would be pretty cool :eek:

[soviet prince]

Sorry, but I don't think that is the case. James has said many times that Bandai will not make the extra rules for the 2 games to fight against each other. But that they are similar so that fans could make make extra rules for fun games.

he said he was making unoffical side rules to play the games, what he was talking about is mixing them together.

[Evil Jim]

didn't bandai already do a one piece ccg?

Yep and it failed.

[talyhawk]

Even though this isn't the old game and is as I've said many times looking very very similiar to Naruto I will at the very least buy a starter and give the game a chance. I'll admit I love the old mechanic for the first DBZ game but I'm not going to be completely bias and say that this game sucks because of that or that it looks like it will have game play close to Naruto's. None of us have seen a rule book so we can only speculate what this game is going to be like, so until then I think all of us who have played the first game should wait and hold our judgement until then.

[Evil Jim]

he said he was making unoffical side rules to play the games, what he was talking about is mixing them together.

1) I have not seen that post. I have seen a conversation between Zero and James, in which, James said fans could make the rules to play the decks against each other.

2) If it is true(please link) and it is unofficial, then I would not see them doing some big tournament for it.

[soviet prince]

I try to find it maybe I was dreaming but I thought he said something about it.

[Evil Jim]

I try to find it maybe I was dreaming but I thought he said something about it.

Ok, sorry, I found the conversation, and read it again. James did say they where working on unofficial rules, for deck vs deck. Then said that players could make rules for mixing cards. But still, I do not believe they would have big tournaments for these extra rules, because Naruto has way more cards to make a better deck against a new DragonBall deck.

[Goldenwill]

Ok.. Personally, I feel this is a thread that should never of been created. It just boils down into a flame war. But since the box has already been opened i might aswell add my 2 cents.
I played both the original DBZ CCG and Re-Z. I loved both games they had great mechanics and excellent gameplay. However I would never play another Score aslong as I live. Score just isn't a very well ran company IMO. I got a box once with no rares.. every pack was missing the rare card.. I emailed the company and never got a reply back? like WTF? The main reason that Top Tier is the main DBZ site and such is because it is out of Texas right near Score head office. They get proper suport becasue of there close proximity to the head office. In canada we had to jump threw numerous hoops just to be a judge for the original DBZ CCG. In Re-Z as far as i know there wasn;t even an Organized play system.. like come on? are you serious!!
Then there is the fact that Score loves to burn there bridges with there players. They have no problem cancelling game and sets with no thoughts of there players.
I am a huge DBZ fan and will play this game, if i go to even one certified tourney and win a prize that is more then i ever got playing both previous games with Score. Thats my Rant, feel free to flame me, but all i did was just share my opinion, not fact.. only opinion. Thank you for reading.

[Dao]

Wow.. you missed the boat on Re-Z Organized Play. It was done better than the original game's. My friend Chris went to Grand Kai for Re-Z and made second place. There was definately an OP system. They did it right too, with cash prizes and boxes and such.

EDIT: Score still has no idea how to market their product though. Don't play their games.

[Berlu]

I'll tell you the EXACT reason why.

It's because the only people who support the old game and bash this one so harshly are Score fanboys who only play Score games and only congregate on Top Tier. They're angry because Naruto took off, a Bandai game while Bleach, a Score game is doing absolutely pitiful right now.

I found this statement rather general so I thought I'd comment on it.

Score fanboys as you say don't hate the game because they're jealous of Bandai. They simply look at the problems that Naruto has, and are concerned that the first game they started playing, DBZ, will tank again like Re-Z did.

And I'll tell you right now that the members on Top Tier will be and are usually the first to complain if Score does something wrong. And they'll do the same with Bandai.

[Card Slinger J]

I mostly agree with what kamiccolo, Baz, and Berlu have said on this thread. Though I feel like this thread was made for the right reasons to try to get the truth across about what the old school players thought about the matter with the new Dragonball CCG.

A few reasons why I think the Dragonball CCG is gonna flop like Re-Z did is cause Bandai is screwing up their current cashcow being the Naruto CCG, yet they refuse to do anything about the situation or listen to the players. Their playtesters obviously aren't doing their jobs either.

If the current warped meta in the Naruto CCG is an example of what another card game from Bandai might become then I fear for the loss of good anime/manga TCG's in general. Of course you could always play Old Z and GT and Bleach from Score If it makes you happy...

Just my 2 cents.

[DNaraku]

I found this statement rather general so I thought I'd comment on it.

Score fanboys as you say don't hate the game because they're jealous of Bandai. They simply look at the problems that Naruto has, and are concerned that the first game they started playing, DBZ, will tank again like Re-Z did.

And I'll tell you right now that the members on Top Tier will be and are usually the first to complain if Score does something wrong. And they'll do the same with Bandai.

The gripe I have with the majority of TT is that they all say Naruto's game engine sucks and if it isn't compatable with a game that's been long dead for years that they won't play it.

Nothing is wrong with how Naruto plays, just how overpowered some cards have been in the past.

[FFXITBest]

/rant on?

Wow... So... Here's my take on the old Z vs. the new Z. New Z > Old Z. XD Anyway... I couldn't stand the old DBZ card game with the life deck and power levels and pretty much every card type / game mechanic.... Naruto... Not that bad. I like it for the most part and have been playing it since it came out - a very long break in the middle.

I've played several card games including Magic, Pokemon, Yugioh, DBZ, Naruto, and Bleach. And to be completely honest...
I like MTG the best. If it weren't for MTG's constant cycling of sets I'd still be playing it. It seems that most companies and card games under them have their own little issues and things that anyone can pick apart and say that they hate. In the end... It's like picking a President. XD You choose the one you can live with the best. Not necessarily the one you like.

And in addition to that... I believe that Wizards does the best job of handling Magic, followed by Bandai with Naruto, and Score with... well.. any of their games. Has anyone actually tried playing Bleach in Organized Play....? Talk about impossible! We can't even get Tournament Kits for it!!

/rant off?

[soviet prince]

/rant on?

Wow... So... Here's my take on the old Z vs. the new Z. New Z > Old Z. XD Anyway... I couldn't stand the old DBZ card game with the life deck and power levels and pretty much every card type / game mechanic.... Naruto... Not that bad. I like it for the most part and have been playing it since it came out - a very long break in the middle.

I've played several card games including Magic, Pokemon, Yugioh, DBZ, Naruto, and Bleach. And to be completely honest...
I like MTG the best. If it weren't for MTG's constant cycling of sets I'd still be playing it. It seems that most companies and card games under them have their own little issues and things that anyone can pick apart and say that they hate. In the end... It's like picking a President. XD You choose the one you can live with the best. Not necessarily the one you like.

And in addition to that... I believe that Wizards does the best job of handling Magic, followed by Bandai with Naruto, and Score with... well.. any of their games. Has anyone actually tried playing Bleach in Organized Play....? Talk about impossible! We can't even get Tournament Kits for it!!

/rant off?

yeah as far as tourney support I like bandai suport better then score's anyday.

[Card Slinger J]

The gripe I have with the majority of TT is that they all say Naruto's game engine sucks and if it isn't compatable with a game that's been long dead for years that they won't play it.

Nothing is wrong with how Naruto plays, just how overpowered some cards have been in the past.

I agree with you on the Naruto engine despite half of what I agreed from kamiccolo, Baz, and Berlu in which they believe the game engine for Naruto is flawed.

I don't believe the game engine for Naruto is flawed, but rather that Bandai hasn't been doing their job in terms of keeping cards balanced, in check, and some of the US Exclusives they have printed are kinda over the top but not all of them are though.

One thing I do agree with Top Tier is their hopes of a compatability with the Dragonball CCG from Bandai and Score's old DBZ CCG and GT games. The fact that the game engine from Score's version of DBZ was one of the best and to see it get changed into Naruto's game engine is like fixing something that isn't broken.

You just don't need to fix it.

[Evil Jim]

The fact that the game engine from Score's version of DBZ was one of the best and to see it get changed into Naruto's game engine is like fixing something that isn't broken.

You just don't need to fix it.

You say that, but Score changed there engine and it failed. Naruto engine is a good engine, and since Bandai can't use Scores, they are using a good one they have.

[kamiccolo]

Theres no way Bandai would ever use Score's game engine for dbz. They probably should =P, but it's not going to happen.
I don't have a problem with the Naruto game engine. But DBZ isn't Naruto. It shouldn't use the same game engine as another game. From what I can see the DBCCG is just going to be a naruto card game with some dbz pictures and names on it.

The old dbz players didn't play dbz just because the cards had pictures of goku on them, they played the game because the game engine was fun and took a lot of strategy/skill to play. When we look at Bandai's new dbz game we aren't looking at the pictures of goku, we are looking at the game engine and what the game will be like to play. From what it looks like we may as well just play Naruto.
Hopefully there will start to be more differences as Bandai shows us more about the game.

[CaMeRoN]

Theres no way Bandai would ever use Score's game engine for dbz. They probably should =P, but it's not going to happen.
I don't have a problem with the Naruto game engine. But DBZ isn't Naruto. It shouldn't use the same game engine as another game. From what I can see the DBCCG is just going to be a naruto card game with some dbz pictures and names on it.

The old dbz players didn't play dbz just because the cards had pictures of goku on them, they played the game because the game engine was fun and took a lot of strategy/skill to play. When we look at Bandai's new dbz game we aren't looking at the pictures of goku, we are looking at the game engine and what the game will be like to play. From what it looks like we may as well just play Naruto.
Hopefully there will start to be more differences as Bandai shows us more about the game.

I wouldn't worry too much about that man :) The differences between the games will be huge. I'm fairly certain that the only main similarities will be the character cards. My reasoning for that is the only way that both games can be compatible is if they have a similar combat engine. If both games are able to fight against eachother then that is enough to make them compatible. The rest of the tweaking can be done through the rules that bandai is creating to make the two CCG's compatible. If I am right about that then we can expect the DragonBall CCG to be quite different. I'm really hoping that Bandai does take that route as it should appease a lot of the older players and the new ones.

[Jarrett]

The main reason that Top Tier is the main DBZ site and such is because it is out of Texas right near Score head office. They get proper suport becasue of there close proximity to the head office.

This is completely incorrect. I am the founder of TopTierGaming.com, and I live in Indiana. I had to do a lot of work to get support for our website from Score Entertainment, because at first they thought we were just some random site that wasn't going to stay open longer than 3 months. That was back in January 2004. You can see our website is still up and running. Please, if you're going to talk like you actually know how things work, actually know what you're talking about. I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but you make it seem like stuff was just handed to us, when there was a lot of work we've had to do to get to that point.

As for the misconception that Top Tier Gaming is against this new game, that is completely untrue. We were trying to get support from Bandai ourselves, but right now they stated to us that they will be focusing on their own community before branching out to others. While I believe this is a mistake for not supporting our community, considering we still have the largest fanbase of DBZ CCG players on the internet, it's a respectable one, and we're still going to support the game ourselves. We're even adding a deckbuilder and card database to our site once the game is available. So we are very excited to be supporting a Dragon Ball CCG once again. As for the game it's self, I'm going to reserve my final judgment on the game once it is officially released.

[CaMeRoN]

This is completely incorrect. I am the founder of TopTierGaming.com, and I live in Indiana. I had to do a lot of work to get support for our website from Score Entertainment, because at first they thought we were just some random site that wasn't going to stay open longer than 3 months. That was back in January 2004. You can see our website is still up and running. Please, if you're going to talk like you actually know how things work, actually know what you're talking about. I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but you make it seem like stuff was just handed to us, when there was a lot of work we've had to do to get to that point.

As for the misconception that Top Tier Gaming is against this new game, that is completely untrue. We were trying to get support from Bandai ourselves, but right now they stated to us that they will be focusing on their own community before branching out to others. While I believe this is a mistake for not supporting our community, considering we still have the largest fanbase of DBZ CCG players on the internet, it's a respectable one, and we're still going to support the game ourselves. We're even adding a deckbuilder and card database to our site once the game is available. So we are very excited to be supporting a Dragon Ball CCG once again. As for the game it's self, I'm going to reserve my final judgment on the game once it is officially released.

Oh, man! You sounded like a complete jerk Jarrett. GoldenWill is no where near as ignorant as you make him out to be. I can understand how it made you feel when you read GoldenWill's post as it takes a lot of work to make a website / forum prominent on the internet. However, you might have taken it a little bit too far there. What you were saying was cool up to this; "Please, if you're going to talk like you actually know how things work, actually know what you're talking about.".

I'm glad that the founder of TT has taken the time to enter the Bandai forums and make it clear to everyone that TT Staff have not taken sides up to this point. Bandai said the same thing to me about CyberRealmsGaming. Oh, well! They will come around eventually, right ;)

[Evil Jim]

The game hasn't come out yet. Just look at Naruto and The Chosen, they have given out decks to many site(so what too many) and some info has leaked out to others, before they are suppose to preview. All Bandai is doing is making sure nothing leaks, tell it truly debuts in June.

[CaMeRoN]

The game hasn't come out yet. Just look at Naruto and The Chosen, they have given out decks to many site(so what too many) and some info has leaked out to others, before they are suppose to preview. All Bandai is doing is making sure nothing leaks, tell it truly debuts in June.

Yeah, I'm fine with that. It is their game afterall. They are investing the money and time into making it. They shoudl be the ones who are previewing it. There shouldn't be any leaks as it will detract from them. Bandai is the centre of attention and as far as I'm concerned they deserve it.

[soviet prince]

I am sure Bandai will send support to other site's once the game is up and running.

[CaMeRoN]

I am sure Bandai will send support to other site's once the game is up and running.

Most likely! It would be nice to get some information now but it's understandable that they would want to build their own forum community prior to accessing another.

[Goldenwill]

First Off Jarrett i will apologize for not having all my information be correct. I was simply going off of what i had been told previously in the past. Obviously that was wrong and I am a big enough man to admit my mistake.

[Card Slinger J]

You say that, but Score changed there engine and it failed. Naruto engine is a good engine, and since Bandai can't use Scores, they are using a good one they have.

If you're regarding Re-Z from Score then yes, however I was still referring to the Old Dragonball Z and Dragonball GT TCG games from Score which were compatible and had a great engine going for it that was one of a kind and unique.

[Evil Jim]

If you're regarding Re-Z from Score then yes, however I was still referring to the Old Dragonball Z and Dragonball GT TCG games from Score which were compatible and had a great engine going for it that was one of a kind and unique.

Yes, I was talking about Re-Z. And Score should have just started over again, with DBZ or even DB, with there first engine.

Basically, what I am saying is, you said "why fix what is not broken" yet, with Score making Re-Z, looks like they though something was broken.

[kamiccolo]

I think score made a new game to try and get new players. Lots of people don't want to start playing a game that already has 15 sets because they would have so much cards to get before they could start playing competitivly.
They would have done better just making new cards for the old game, with DB or DBZ cards again.
Re-Z failed not because the engine was bad (although I do think it was worse than the 1st game), but because score lost their lisence and werent able to make the cards for it anymore.
Re-Z (and maybe even old z/gt) probably would have failed eventually though, score was horrible at advertising and the amount of people playing dbz started decreasing around world games saga. It has nothing to do with the games being bad, just score being bad...

[Mr_Chaff]

My best advice is to wait until it comes out and give it a try (or go to the Cons to get a demo).

Bandai is workiing hard to address all issues whether it be engine-wise or flavor-wise.

What they hope, as any company does, is that you have an open mind and give it a chance. I'm sure there will be people who still do not like it and others who change their minds... but let's not gloss over the fact that in the end, a great property like Dragon Ball has been given new life with another TCG.

[CaMeRoN]

My best advice is to wait until it comes out and give it a try (or go to the Cons to get a demo).

Bandai is workiing hard to address all issues whether it be engine-wise or flavor-wise.

What they hope, as any company does, is that you have an open mind and give it a chance. I'm sure there will be people who still do not like it and others who change their minds... but let's not gloss over the fact that in the end, a great property like Dragon Ball has been given new life with another TCG.

Nicely said, Mr_Chaff. I hope that many people will read what you have posted and will take your advice. It is good advice for any player looking at this game.

[CardcaptorDustin]

Your a little full of yourself, arn't you?

I don't understand why everyone is bashing this game. Infact, I would have expected that DragonBall, DragonBall Z, and DragonBall GT fans would have been happy that their favorite series was being re-incarnated into another CCG. The facts are that the old Re:Z and DragonBall Z are no longer played on a large scale basis. You don't have to jump ship with your morales or connections with your old game, but don't you guys think that you should at least give this game a chance before saying that it isn't good enough to compete with the old? Wouldn't it be better to play a current game with your favorite characters than play an old game that is no longer played on a large scale? Personally, my answers to those questions are; "Yes, I will give this game a chance." and "Yes, I would like to play a game featuring my favorite series in large scale tournaments.".

I absolutly agree with CaMeRoN
Lets just say if Magic the Gathering got canceled ppeople would be sad. Then 3 years later it comes back! People would be thrilled to see a game be reserected and played in a whole new way!

[soviet prince]

My best advice is to wait until it comes out and give it a try (or go to the Cons to get a demo).

Bandai is workiing hard to address all issues whether it be engine-wise or flavor-wise.

What they hope, as any company does, is that you have an open mind and give it a chance. I'm sure there will be people who still do not like it and others who change their minds... but let's not gloss over the fact that in the end, a great property like Dragon Ball has been given new life with another TCG.

could not said it better

[DragonFist]

I dont think that old dbz players will hate the game...hopefully it will attract them and newer players.