Longativty

[soviet prince]

If you think about it this game does not suffer what other anime ccg suffer threw. Since this ccg does not follow a story line it has no limits and could go on for infinte if Bandai choose to. My question is how long do you think this game will last, and can it hold water it's sister CCG Naruto.

[Super_Saiya-jin_Vegeta]

I think that Dragonball Z will hold its own better than the Naruto CCG is. Naruto seemed more of a fad as far as anime goes... but Dragonball Z still has mad support and mad love from old school players and fans.

I'm sure that we'll see a good few sets come from this CCG.

[Hiro191]

As long as they give it the focus they gave NAruto, it can last a long while, thats for sure.

[CaMeRoN]

We all know how popular DragonBall is. Actually, I find it astounding that the anime community continually expresses interest in DragonBall year after year. Most anime find themselves falling victim to time. They are a fad for a couple years, then they drop off into the oblivion which is the discard bin. However, DragonBall, despite being an old anime, has not been abandoned by the anime community. Instead, we continue to purchase the product created.

I think that Dragonball Z will hold its own better than the Naruto CCG is. Naruto seemed more of a fad as far as anime goes... but Dragonball Z still has mad support and mad love from old school players and fans.

I'm sure that we'll see a good few sets come from this CCG.
I believe you are correct! Naruto is a fad while DragonBall is not.

If Bandai supports this game properly with tournamnets across North America (USA & Canada) then I'm sure the game will take a permanent home in the CCG community. All Bandai needs to go to keep this game active and the players happy is supply the same level of prize support they do for the Naruto CCG. If that continues then this game will last a very long time!

After sometime, Shonen Jump Championships may pick-up this game. If this game expands into an SJC, then the potential of this game lasting even longer will arise.

[soviet prince]

advertising will be just as important to.

[SS2 Gohan]

We will never know until it comes out.:p

[talyhawk]

I personally think that if the game itself and the rules appeals to the gamers and the fans of the anime then it shouldn't have much of a problem surviving. The main problem is that DBZ has been made into a card game twice before by Score Ent. With that in mind if there are still any old DBZ gamers floating around, besides myself, then they will have a very picky and harsh look on the game. Even with that in mind though I think the game itself has the potenital to become a game that could last past the year.

[soviet prince]

I personally think that if the game itself and the rules appeals to the gamers and the fans of the anime then it shouldn't have much of a problem surviving. The main problem is that DBZ has been made into a card game twice before by Score Ent. With that in mind if there are still any old DBZ gamers floating around, besides myself, then they will have a very picky and harsh look on the game. Even with that in mind though I think the game itself has the potenital to become a game that could last past the year.

I am hoping it last years becuse it has potental since it don't follow no story line.

[Goldenwill]

The fact that is the first Anime CCG not relative to the anime is what is going to make ths game a huge hit and keep it a hit for years to come. Just you watch!!

[gokou]

I expect it to have initial problems with getting players as its demographic is the same as naruto and since players of that age have a limited cash flow they will have trouble playing both games. It is also unlikely for many naruto players to just drop naruto and play this game since they have already dedicated time and money to naruto. The DBZ theme will hopefully attract new players but at the same time the lack of an ongoing show to inspire younger players to try the game will be a problem.

I will give the game a shot since it i am a huge DBZ fan, but at the same time i also am aware that alot of the younger players have never seen the show since its been off the air for a while and now its only on one channel once a week showing old episodes late at night.

[soviet prince]

The fact that is the first Anime CCG not relative to the anime is what is going to make ths game a huge hit and keep it a hit for years to come. Just you watch!!

exactly thats what I was thinking

[Trunks]

IMO at least 5 sets.

[Goldenwill]

Originally Posted by Trunks:
IMO at least 5 sets.

I really hope this games goes much further then 5 sets wehn you look at the fact that they have all 3x series included. IMO 5 sets would be considered a flop.

[CaMeRoN]

Originally Posted by Trunks:


I really hope this games goes much further then 5 sets wehn you look at the fact that they have all 3x series included. IMO 5 sets would be considered a flop.

I agree. In order for this game to be considered a success, I'd say they would need to produce at least 8-10 full sets. After that I'd be happy :)

[WANDERINGJD]

The problem is the fact that the show is over, most games like this (as in based on animes) has the popularity (with kids) of said show. that's the explination i got from the card store owner as to why he's not going to carry it.

[Super_Saiya-jin_Vegeta]

The card store here, well one of them, was stating the same thing about this new game. Though, I've managed to convince them otherwise. Basically, store owners are only basing CCG popularity off of what they think people do and do not watch anymore... and around here, there is still quite a few people that love Dragonball Z, watching the re-runs on Cartoon Network or even investing their time in purchasing the numerous video games released based upon the series itself.

So, as long as the game appeals to the fans that have had a love for DBZ, despite all the new trends that had been brought forth, then this game should go for quite a few sets. Heck, it might even last longer than Naruto - which seems to be going down hill, in my opinion.

[OtakuDan]

The problem is the fact that the show is over, most games like this (as in based on animes) has the popularity (with kids) of said show. that's the explination i got from the card store owner as to why he's not going to carry it.

I don't see that being too much of a problem with the live action Dragonball movie coming out early next year. That should bring in a whole bunch of new fans to the franchise. If you don't believe that, just look at what the live action Transformers did with bringing many new fans to the toy line.

[Card Slinger J]

I believe you are correct! Naruto is a fad while DragonBall is not.

If Bandai supports this game properly with tournamnets across North America (USA & Canada) then I'm sure the game will take a permanent home in the CCG community. All Bandai needs to go to keep this game active and the players happy is supply the same level of prize support they do for the Naruto CCG. If that continues then this game will last a very long time!

After sometime, Shonen Jump Championships may pick-up this game. If this game expands into an SJC, then the potential of this game lasting even longer will arise.

I have to disagree with you, the only reason IMO why Naruto feels like a fad right now is cause it seems like it isn't living up to the expectations of an action anime/manga series that we saw of the Dragonball series.

If you've read the Japanese Manga in Naruto Shippuuden so far up to this point it seems more
like a soap opera/drama/action series as it doesn't have as much action as we would expect but it does have some action in it though.

Then again, I have hopes but also doubts about this new Dragonball CCG from Bandai. I've talked to some of my friends who currently play the old Score version (including myself) and one of my friends said that they'd only play it If it was compatible with Score's version but since that's impossible it will never happen like that.

Then one of my other friends said they wouldn't get into it cause he never played the Naruto CCG considering that Dragonball CCG plays almost like Naruto.

One of my doubts about the Dragonball CCG can reflect on Bandai's performance with their current cashcow CCG being Naruto. Currently it hasn't being doing too well cause the meta had been warped by a couple of cards, not to mention power creep...

One thing that could kill Dragonball CCG is power creep, it was a problem with Score's version of DBZ but they were able to handle it and fix the problem via listening to the players. Bandai hasn't been listening to the players when it came to Naruto recently so what's to say Bandai won't pull the same crap again in the Dragonball CCG? O_o

Bandai is almost mirroring Score Entertainment when it comes to failed anime/manga TCG's. Bandai has failed in One Piece, Zatch Bell, Digimon, Gundam War, Power Rangers, and possibly Naruto.

Score had failed in Yu Yu Hakusho, Epic Battles, Case Closed, Buffy, Sonic X, Inuyasha, Fruits Basket, and possibly Bleach.

See a connection here?

[soviet prince]

Originally Posted by Trunks:


I really hope this games goes much further then 5 sets wehn you look at the fact that they have all 3x series included. IMO 5 sets would be considered a flop.

yes were going to have to have more then 5 sets.

[Master Jetz]

IMO at least 5 sets.

Compare Naruto Episodes with Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball GT Episodes. Naruto has still a lot way to go, even with the Shippuden Episodes Included. By the looks of it, they can devide every single part in the series;

Goku Search For The Dragon Balls with Bulma
Goku's Training with Master Rouchi
The First Tournament ( I forget the name )
Picolo JR
Adult Goku VS Picolo JR
Radits
ect..

You get the point. The Dragon Ball Series haves the potential to be a lot of sets.

Of course, We have ( or at least I ) no idea how they are making the sets.

[soviet prince]

there is really no end since it don't follow the story line it can go on as long as yugi if it did well enough.

[Card Slinger J]

That doesn't make any sense, every anime/manga TCG has to have source material to keep it going. Either that or you're just playing a card game based on fanfics which sounds like what you're trying to say. O_o

If Bandai is smart they'd start the Dragonball CCG from the start of DB when Goku meets up with Bulma for the first time and stuff but also go with the Saiyan Saga first for DBZ like before.

If Bandai is spending too much time on this CCG and ignoring the players' requests to help fix the meta for the Naruto CCG then Bandai has failed me greatly.

[soviet prince]

Compare Naruto Episodes with Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball GT Episodes. Naruto has still a lot way to go, even with the Shippuden Episodes Included. By the looks of it, they can devide every single part in the series;

Goku Search For The Dragon Balls with Bulma
Goku's Training with Master Rouchi
The First Tournament ( I forget the name )
Picolo JR
Adult Goku VS Picolo JR
Radits
ect..

You get the point. The Dragon Ball Series haves the potential to be a lot of sets.

Of course, We have ( or at least I ) no idea how they are making the sets.

That doesn't make any sense, every anime/manga TCG has to have source material to keep it going. Either that or you're just playing a card game based on fanfics which sounds like what you're trying to say. O_o

If Bandai is smart they'd start the Dragonball CCG from the start of DB when Goku meets up with Bulma for the first time and stuff but also go with the Saiyan Saga first for DBZ like before.

If Bandai is spending too much time on this CCG and ignoring the players' requests to help fix the meta for the Naruto CCG then Bandai has failed me greatly.

I like the way there skipping around I don't get why your so against it.

[Card Slinger J]

You might have a point in terms of the hassle of not having to wait til the next "insert here" Saga comes out to play as certain characters in the series.

In the Naruto CCG Bandai never skipped the story arcs, but with Dragonball they're hesitant to do that considering they don't want their fans to have to wait for the "Buu Saga expansion" to play as Majin Buu, Dabura, Supreme Kai, and whatnot.

I just feel like Bandai is kinda rushing this really fast...

[soviet prince]

You might have a point in terms of the hassle of not having to wait til the next "insert here" Saga comes out to play as certain characters in the series.

In the Naruto CCG Bandai never skipped the story arcs, but with Dragonball they're hesitant to do that considering they don't want their fans to have to wait for the "Buu Saga expansion" to play as Majin Buu, Dabura, Supreme Kai, and whatnot.

I just feel like Bandai is kinda rushing this really fast...

there is no rush, characters like buu will have many character cards in future sets so they really don't have a problem with running out of cards.

[CaMeRoN]

That doesn't make any sense, every anime/manga TCG has to have source material to keep it going. Either that or you're just playing a card game based on fanfics which sounds like what you're trying to say. O_o

If Bandai is smart they'd start the Dragonball CCG from the start of DB when Goku meets up with Bulma for the first time and stuff but also go with the Saiyan Saga first for DBZ like before.

If Bandai is spending too much time on this CCG and ignoring the players' requests to help fix the meta for the Naruto CCG then Bandai has failed me greatly.

This game is pulling characters from three difference series and several movies. All three of the series and movies have been completed. Bandai is going to pull cards from random points in all of these series. If they want to put Super 17, Android 17, Goku (DB), Goku (DBZ), Vegeta SSJ4, etc. then they can. There is no set order that they must follow. If they want to make an alternate version of Goku from DragonBall and release it in a different set then they can. Due to the fact that they are not pulling characters from Sagas is the reason that this game has unlimited sets. Not to mention that throughout all three series and movies there are an unlimited amount of characters that they could release. A good example would be to look at the new DragonBall Z game that features over 120 characters.

[soviet prince]

This game is pulling characters from three difference series and several movies. All three of the series and movies have been completed. Bandai is going to pull cards from random points in all of these series. If they want to put Super 17, Android 17, Goku (DB), Goku (DBZ), Vegeta SSJ4, etc. then they can. There is no set order that they must follow. If they want to make an alternate version of Goku from DragonBall and release it in a different set then they can. Due to the fact that they are not pulling characters from Sagas is the reason that this game has unlimited sets. Not to mention that throughout all three series and movies there are an unlimited amount of characters that they could release. A good example would be to look at the new DragonBall Z game that features over 120 characters.


yeah and another member on this site made a good point, it saves them from having to make a drop 5 radditiz.

[CaMeRoN]

yeah and another member on this site made a good point, it saves them from having to make a drop 5 radditiz.

Yeah, I suppose. If they were to follow Sagas then they would definately have to make drop relative to the power of the characters. That would leave us with many over powered characters, which IMO don't need to be overpowered. It's a card game, I wouldn't raise hell if they made a 0 drop Cell or a 1 drop Frieza.

[dbgoldberg323]

*sigh* you guys are forgetting that they ARE going to release these in line with the series, just not in direct order. Didn't any of you read the main page?

Here:
The new game will include characters and storylines from all three Dragon Ball Sagas: Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball GT. However, the first set of 100+ cards will only include the Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z sagas.

So, maybe the first and second sets will be DB-DBZ, and the third and up could be DB-DBZ-DBGT.

However, from what some of you were saying, if the very first packs I buy contain SS4 Vegeta, Bulma, Emperor Pilaf, and Frieza, I'll just dump it in the trash (or sell them if they're worth more than the pack itself). =/

[CaMeRoN]

Originally Posted by jtakenaka, 'Dragon Ball CCG to Debut on July 18, 2008'
The new game will include characters and storylines from all three Dragon Ball Sagas: Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball GT. However, the first set of 100+ cards will only include the Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z sagas.

I don't see James saying anything in that quote about him releasing the sets in order of Saga.

So, maybe the first and second sets will be DB-DBZ, and the third and up could be DB-DBZ-DBGT.

However, from what some of you were saying, if the very first packs I buy contain SS4 Vegeta, Bulma, Emperor Pilaf, and Frieza, I'll just dump it in the trash (or sell them if they're worth more than the pack itself). =/
What's up with that attitute? It's a good thing that they are mixing up the sagas and pulling characters at random from every saga. I for one do not like waiting until near the end of a series to use certain characters. With this type of setup, we won't have to wait to see powerful characters and instead we can get a variety of characters that were shown throughout the series.

[soviet prince]

I don't see James saying anything in that quote about him releasing the sets in order of Saga.


What's up with that attitute? It's a good thing that they are mixing up the sagas and pulling characters at random from every saga. I for one do not like waiting until near the end of a series to use certain characters. With this type of setup, we won't have to wait to see powerful characters and instead we can get a variety of characters that were shown throughout the series.

yes and when the shadow dragons get realsed the game will not be almost dead as well making them a lot more looked forward to.

[CaMeRoN]

yes and when the shadow dragons get realsed the game will not be almost dead as well making them a lot more looked forward to.

Exactly! I want to use Super 17 sometime within the next five sets. I don't want to wait 10 - 15 sets to see him.

[soviet prince]

Yeah, I suppose. If they were to follow Sagas then they would definately have to make drop relative to the power of the characters. That would leave us with many over powered characters, which IMO don't need to be overpowered. It's a card game, I wouldn't raise hell if they made a 0 drop Cell or a 1 drop Frieza.

neither will I the more Frieza's the better.

[CaMeRoN]

neither will I the more Frieza's the better.

Exactly! Having the freedom to create as many different copies of a character as you want is amazing. The only way that can be accomplished is if you don't follow Saga by Saga. It's a novel idea and it is definately a great one!

[soviet prince]

I hope there not limited to one element either that way we are not limited.

[dbgoldberg323]

What's up with that attitute? It's a good thing that they are mixing up the sagas and pulling characters at random from every saga. I for one do not like waiting until near the end of a series to use certain characters. With this type of setup, we won't have to wait to see powerful characters and instead we can get a variety of characters that were shown throughout the series.

Okay, okay, but in your opinion, do you think they'll have enough originality to release "exciting" and "new" characters for 5+ sets? How long before they start completely copying naruto ninja abilities (or basing abilities on them)? I mean, that's not an entirely bad thing, but what I'm getting at is that while I'm head-over-heals in love with the idea of this game, I don't want to get burned by Bandai considering their history with card games...

[dbgoldberg323]

I would not mind if some where the same as Naruto effect but I sure would not mind a few being the same. Also what does this have to do with following the story or not?

Well, I already pointed out that the game will be released only including DB and DBZ at first (not GT) so it makes sense chronologically...

YAY FORUM GLITCH! :D

[soviet prince]

Exactly! Having the freedom to create as many different copies of a character as you want is amazing. The only way that can be accomplished is if you don't follow Saga by Saga. It's a novel idea and it is definately a great one!

Okay, okay, but in your opinion, do you think they'll have enough originality to release "exciting" and "new" characters for 5+ sets? How long before they start completely copying naruto ninja abilities (or basing abilities on them)? I mean, that's not an entirely bad thing, but what I'm getting at is that while I'm head-over-heals in love with the idea of this game, I don't want to get burned by Bandai considering their history with card games...

I would not mind if some where the same as Naruto effect but I sure would not mind a few being the same. Also what does this have to do with following the story or not?

[CaMeRoN]

Okay, okay, but in your opinion, do you think they'll have enough originality to release "exciting" and "new" characters for 5+ sets? How long before they start completely copying naruto ninja abilities (or basing abilities on them)? I mean, that's not an entirely bad thing, but what I'm getting at is that while I'm head-over-heals in love with the idea of this game, I don't want to get burned by Bandai considering their history with card games...

I believe that if Bandai really wants to try and appease the people buying this game then they will be original in all of their sets. However, I'm fairly certain that is an unrealistic idea. Bandai will most definately recycle old effects from the Naruto CCG or at least modify those effects into cards for the DragonBall CCG.

[soviet prince]

Well, I already pointed out that the game will be released only including DB and DBZ at first (not GT) so it makes sense chronologically...

YAY FORUM GLITCH! :D

when I mean chronologically I am talking about the first set only being sayian sage, the next set frieza, and so on.

[Goldenwill]

i seriously cannot think of one reason why a non-linear based CCG, isn't automatically a better concept then a linear game. Mainly just because the potential is limitless.

[soviet prince]

your right goldenwill this game has the abilty to last for a long time.

[Trunks]

Originally Posted by Trunks:


I really hope this games goes much further then 5 sets wehn you look at the fact that they have all 3x series included. IMO 5 sets would be considered a flop.

Zatch Bell only lasted 5 sets. DBZ based on its name should at least make 5 sets. But anything can happen so I'm not gonna be definite and might be wrong.

[soviet prince]

i seriously cannot think of one reason why a non-linear based CCG, isn't automatically a better concept then a linear game. Mainly just because the potential is limitless.

Zatch Bell only lasted 5 sets. DBZ based on its name should at least make 5 sets. But anything can happen so I'm not gonna be definite and might be wrong.

yeah ZB was not successful this game will need a lot more then 5 sets to be successful, 5 sets is not enough

[OtakuDan]

The game could be slow going out of the gate with mosly die hard fans joining, but once the live action movie comes out I believe we will see a large influx of new players. It's a shame the release date was pushed back until early next year. It used to be Aug. 15, 2008, which would have been perfect timing on Bandai's part. Now Bandai might have to rough it out with the die hards for the first 2 sets...Shouldn't be much of a problem though, they could always push the CCG back, lol.

[soviet prince]

The game could be slow going out of the gate with mosly die hard fans joining, but once the live action movie comes out I believe we will see a large influx of new players. It's a shame the release date was pushed back until early next year. It used to be Aug. 15, 2008, which would have been perfect timing on Bandai's part. Now Bandai might have to rough it out with the die hards for the first 2 sets...Shouldn't be much of a problem though, they could always push the CCG back, lol.

shut up about a delay:p

the is still alot of diehard fans out there plus we will get a lot of the Naruto players playing this game 2 becuse there compatable.

[OtakuDan]

The movie will undoubtably help the success of the game though(even if the movie ends up not doing the anime/manga justice). As for Naruto players coming over I do see that happening too, I just hope we get OP dual game tournies. That would be great fun:D

[soviet prince]

yeah cross tourny's will be intersting from time to time

[CaMeRoN]

yeah cross tourny's will be intersting from time to time

I'm fairly certain that cross tournies combined with good organized play promotion will have this game lasting for a couple years.

[OtakuDan]

With a 9 set gap in between both games though, I wonder how long it will take before the CCGs can actually be competitive against each other.

[CaMeRoN]

With a 9 set gap in between both games though, I wonder how long it will take before the CCGs can actually be competitive against each other.

It's possible that Bandai will create cards in the first set of the DragonBall CCG that will allow an equal distribution of power between both games.

[Evil Jim]

With a 9 set gap in between both games though, I wonder how long it will take before the CCGs can actually be competitive against each other.

That is why the extra rules that let the DB vs Naruto are only unofficial and are not going to be used in tournaments.

[CaMeRoN]

That is why the extra rules that let the DB vs Naruto are only unofficial and are not going to be used in tournaments.

Yeah. It will still be fun playing Naruto VS DB. Like I said above, it's possible for Bandai to create the first set with cards that will help DB rival Naruto CCG.

[Evil Jim]

Yeah. It will still be fun playing Naruto VS DB. Like I said above, it's possible for Bandai to create the first set with cards that will help DB rival Naruto CCG.

I do not see them going this on purpose. Bandai is making DBccg as a DBccg. I think the volume of cards that Naruto has will still be able to take down DB with its 110 cards.

[CaMeRoN]

I do not see them going this on purpose. Bandai is making DBccg as a DBccg. I think the volume of cards that Naruto has will still be able to take down DB with its 110 cards.

Yeah, your probably right. I was attempting to be optimistic :(

[soviet prince]

it don't matter to me becuse I doubt I will be doing to much of db vs naruto

[CaMeRoN]

it don't matter to me becuse I doubt I will be doing to much of db vs naruto

Yeah, me either. Not until this game takes off. When we get 3-5 sets, that's when I think we'll see a lot more of the interplay.

[soviet prince]

yeah I may try it once ever 20 regular games and that it.

[DragonFist]

it should be a long lasting game like naruto...just need to advertise good to spread the word....I might just try to complete every set :D