Fusions (Speculation)

[DNaraku]

So I was chatting with EvilJim over the weekend and we got to thinking about Fusion cards. After a little speculation, we determined that they would likely be similar to Platoons in Naruto with the only difference being you would have to have both characters on the field instead of just one.

An example being I have a Goku on the field and a Vegeta and Gogeta in my hand. By Naruto' rules as far as platoons go I should be able to "charge" Goku and play Gogeta, but by Dragonball logic it wouldn't make much sense. So first you would play the Vegeta from your hand, then you could theoretically "charge" them both to play Gogeta.

As far as Vegitto goes we didn't really bother to think of, but it would obviously require some use of the Potara Earrings.

[Guccio]

So I was chatting with EvilJim over the weekend and we got to thinking about Fusion cards. After a little speculation, we determined that they would likely be similar to Platoons in Naruto with the only difference being you would have to have both characters on the field instead of just one.

An example being I have a Goku on the field and a Vegeta and Gogeta in my hand. By Naruto' rules as far as platoons go I should be able to "charge" Goku and play Gogeta, but by Dragonball logic it wouldn't make much sense. So first you would play the Vegeta from your hand, then you could theoretically "charge" them both to play Gogeta.

As far as Vegitto goes we didn't really bother to think of, but it would obviously require some use of the Potara Earrings.


that will be interesting how it works
but it would be alright if it's the same concept as platooning because, like in naurto, the platoon would technically have to have both ninjas. but, since it's a game, you don't. lol

[DNaraku]

Well as I see it, in Naruto a ninja can show up out of the blue and help out, while in Dragonball, the Fusion Dance takes preparation and both members already on the scene.

[Super_Saiya-jin_Vegeta]

For fusions like Gogeta or Vegeto, I have a feeling that Bandai is either going to make them run off the platooning effect they had going for Naruto... or, the fusion based characters are going to require special conditions to be meet via the means of a 'mission' or a 'technique' (since we don't know what cards are going to technically be called in this game) card that will allow the character to enter play, so long as the requirements are met (ie: Vegeta and Goku being on the field at the same time and of the same entrance cost)

[WANDERINGJD]

That'll be interesting, i think it'd be a little hard to have two specific people of the exact same entrance cost out and get the card you need, unless you can get a fusion out of your deck or simply get it from somewhere else. in the end even if you do unless the fusions have godly effects you've lost 2 characters for one. so like in naruto they wouldn't see much play till good ones come out.

[Shinfitz]

So I was chatting with EvilJim over the weekend and we got to thinking about Fusion cards. After a little speculation, we determined that they would likely be similar to Platoons in Naruto with the only difference being you would have to have both characters on the field instead of just one.

An example being I have a Goku on the field and a Vegeta and Gogeta in my hand. By Naruto' rules as far as platoons go I should be able to "charge" Goku and play Gogeta, but by Dragonball logic it wouldn't make much sense. So first you would play the Vegeta from your hand, then you could theoretically "charge" them both to play Gogeta.

As far as Vegitto goes we didn't really bother to think of, but it would obviously require some use of the Potara Earrings.

I think it would make sense either way. If you need both warriors in play, or just one.

Think of it this way...

In Naruto, every ninja card is considered a character. Recruiting a character, and introducing them to the game is signified by playing them from your hand.

In the case of platoons, (lets say, Rock Lee and Might Guy) the platoon card counts as playing the ninja you don't already have in play. So, if you have Rock Lee out and Rock Lee and Might Guy platoon in your hand, playing that card represents Might Guy joining the fight, and teaming with Rock Lee.

How does this relate to Dragon Ball?

Well, in the same sense, a fusion could represent the character you don't have in play joining the fight and fusing.

So if you have Goku in play and Gogeta in your hand, playing that Gogeta represents Vegeta joining the fight, then fusing with Goku.

In any case, like I said, either way would make sense. I just wanted to il****rate how having only one character in play to perform a fusion, in my mind, would still make sense.

[Wolf]

I agree with DN, but in addition, they should make fusions have amazing effects/&/or great effects, but also for Gogeta, Gotenks, and the other Potaraless fusions, I think they should have 3 coins that are removed at the end of the turn, then when they are all gone the Fusion seperates, making it just like DBZ

[CaMeRoN]

I wouldn't have a problem with fusions being their own unique cards. Similar to the idea of having SS Goku and Goku on the field at the same time. You could have Gogeta and Vegeta on the field at the same time. However, this definately throws uniqueness out the window.

Keeping with the idea that the mechanics of this game will be compatible with the Naruto CCG. Platoons representing fusions is definately the most likely idea. If we look at what a platoon actually is then we will notice that it is essentially the characteristics of two characters melded into one card. Fusion takes two characters and melds them into one person. Both characters now take their characteristics to create the new person. That is virtually the same as a platoon.

As for the ideas related to how credible this is to the anime. My take on this is that we must make some exceptions as this is a card game based on the anime. It's impossible to keep every mechanic similar to the anime. I can't see a method, other than what has already been mentioned, in regards to the platoon mechanics keeping with the anime.

[WANDERINGJD]

My question is will they even include fusions in the first set? or do you think they'll wait to see how the game does before attempting something for it?

[CaMeRoN]

My question is will they even include fusions in the first set? or do you think they'll wait to see how the game does before attempting something for it?

If Bandai chooses to use the platoon system, then we will need to have a couple sets out before platoons / fusions will be introduced. The reason I say that, lies within the fact that you require a couple versions of a character in order to create a playable platoon.

[WANDERINGJD]

true, it would be kind of interesting to have the 3 turn time limit and have the originals return to the field but if you do that then you'd need like a special zone just for the fusions and you could probably only do one of each fusion per game. that would make it interesting and i'd play them since then i'm not really losing two guys permantly for a card that took up a technique or event slot.

[Wolf]

true, it would be kind of interesting to have the 3 turn time limit and have the originals return to the field but if you do that then you'd need like a special zone just for the fusions and you could probably only do one of each fusion per game. that would make it interesting and i'd play them since then i'm not really losing two guys permantly for a card that took up a technique or event slot.

you wouldn't need a fusion zone, just when they are separated (assuming it plays simular to naruto in this sense) you will have a team of 4 or more warriors until your organization phase, and thats only if you had a team of 3 including the fusion

I want to see somthing like this for potara, along with a mission

Note, I just made these up

Goku
[Only chance: potara earings]
When this warrioir is put in play you may fuse into Vegeto )if you have vegeta) without the effect of Potara earings.
4/2 5/0 T4

Vegeto
[Neither Goku nor Vegeta!]
This Warrior can only be put in play by the effect of potara earings unless another effect states otherwise.During combat you can discard one card from your hand in order to give this warrior +2/+2.
7/4

just some ideas...

[WANDERINGJD]

yes but you just lost 2 characters for one and if it comes from your deck your using up a techinique or event slot. (jutsu or mission respectivly) even in naruto most people don't want to lose one good ninja for a platoon that's only barely stronger unless it has a crazy effect. like the kakashi sasuke platoon.

[talyhawk]

I don't think we'd see fusions until maybe the 4th or 5th set but like it has been said before for the fusion dance characters I think the platoon system would be used in this case. I think for Vegito we will see maybe an event or techquine (mission and jutsu equivalents) most likely a perminate event that acts as the Potara Earrings since that is a fusion that isn't suppose to wear off after time. Speaking of time I could also see the fusion dance characters having a turn limit on them.

[Wolf]

yes but you just lost 2 characters for one and if it comes from your deck your using up a techinique or event slot. (jutsu or mission respectivly) even in naruto most people don't want to lose one good ninja for a platoon that's only barely stronger unless it has a crazy effect. like the kakashi sasuke platoon.

1. If you get them back after or if they are extremely powerful (see my previous posts) then its not so bad

2. Kakashi/Sasuke is horrible, who would give up ES or SP

[soviet prince]

I agree with DN, but in addition, they should make fusions have amazing effects/&/or great effects, but also for Gogeta, Gotenks, and the other Potaraless fusions, I think they should have 3 coins that are removed at the end of the turn, then when they are all gone the Fusion seperates, making it just like DBZ

I really like the 3 coin idea

[Wolf]

I really like the 3 coin idea

Yeah I thought people might, Im considering how good it might be to for the transformations of fusions (SSJ3 gotenks in mind) to require or maybe add, or at affect, the fusion coins, because we know it makes them unable to hold the fusion as long

Also, Maybe fusion should cost KI if Ki works like chakra, if so, you should be able to recharge your fusions with some effect if one would want to make a fusion deck of some sort

[soviet prince]

Yeah I thought people might, Im considering how good it might be to for the transformations of fusions (SSJ3 gotenks in mind) to require or maybe add, or at affect, the fusion coins, because we know it makes them unable to hold the fusion as long

Also, Maybe fusion should cost KI if Ki works like chakra, if so, you should be able to recharge your fusions with some effect if one would want to make a fusion deck of some sort

I am convinced there will be ki in this game, if there was not how will these game be compatable.

[Wolf]

I am convinced there will be ki in this game, if there was not how will these game be compatable.

thats true, do you think SSJ3 Gotenks should make the fusion last shorter?

[soviet prince]

maybe diffrent fusions could have diffrent time limits but they probaly keep them the same

[Wolf]

maybe diffrent fusions could have diffrent time limits but they probaly keep them the same

not exactly what I was asking..

[Wolf]

oh ..................

assuming normal gotenks gets 3 coins, how many should SSJ3 gotenks get assuming he takes up more Ki

[soviet prince]

oh ..................

[CaMeRoN]

Addressing the idea of time limits on certain fusions; I believe that the only fusions that should have time limits are those obtained through the fusion dance. I agree with the suggestion of counters on said fusion, where a counter is removed at the end or start of every turn. When the counters have all dissapated, then the fusion will leave the field and the characters that make up the fusion will return to the field. It is a good idea, Wolf.

Now, a problem that arises through using platoons as fusions. Certain fusions have different levels of power; Gotenks can go Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan 2, and Super Saiyan 3. Does this mean that there will be four seperate platoons to indicate the different levels of transformation of each fusion?

[Wolf]

Addressing the idea of time limits on certain fusions; I believe that the only fusions that should have time limits are those obtained through the fusion dance. I agree with the suggestion of counters on said fusion, where a counter is removed at the end or start of every turn. When the counters have all dissapated, then the fusion will leave the field and the characters that make up the fusion will return to the field. It is a good idea, Wolf.

Now, a problem that arises through using platoons as fusions. Certain fusions have different levels of power; Gotenks can go Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan 2, and Super Saiyan 3. Does this mean that there will be four seperate platoons to indicate the different levels of transformation of each fusion?

yes that could be solved with the counter system though, one possible solution would be to have a system with example gotenks being able to remove one of his three coins in order to replace that gotenks with a SSJ1 gotenks in the deck, and next turn discard another coin to basically have SSJ3, for a turn, this would provide tempo possibilities and such

[DarkArmedDragon5]

i have a feeling that they will have cards that are like mission cards or jutsu cards in naruto, saying something like:
"If you have (Insert Warrior Name Here) and (Insert Warrior Name Here) on you field you can send them to your Ki Area (Chakra area in Naruto) and put (Insert Fusion of Warriors name Here) in play from your Hand or Deck."

[soviet prince]

I think the fusion tranformation will work the same way as the other fusions.