Thoughts on the current meta before set 5's release

[GMChaos121]

With Gencon being over, I am curious as to what most people believe are the current best decks in the format. These kinds of questions often turn into flame wars on other boards, so lets try to keep sane out of respect. From what I had seen at Gencon, my concensus pretty much goes like this:

Unique/X: Busted.... Techs: Expanding Vibration, Evil Cannon, Wave Cannon, and Evil Force Organized(MONSTER REBORN) are AMAZING and I saw a lot of it at the top tables consistently. Dudes: King Piccolo, Super Garlic Jr., Evil Majin Buu, Lord Slug, and Dabura. I didn't include Zoonama or Piccolo Jr since most decks already run them anyways, but them being on element is nice. These dudes are huge, have plunder, some with thrash, and STILL have abilities on top of that. Evil Majin Buu was PRO at ripping apart chump blockers from early game and getting rid of that pesky Red.

And that is just for the main colors. Splash elements help round out everything. As a mono color it is lacking some of the extra explosiveness but it can still be done that way.

Stall deck: ...... I don't know about the stall decks that weren't played at Gencon, but there were TWO total I think out of all the players. My brother (Gustavo Colon.... not really my brother but we have the same last name, so he is NOW lol) and I were both playing it and during Dbz/Naruto Crossover it was me and him at the top table during round 6..... Anyways, the 2 versions we had seemed to just about auto win every game 1 since no one mained any Launchs in both Crossover and DB. His was the legitimate stall deck/deck out win with Antagonism and New Scanner into the Emission/Chi Chi/Supreme Kai lock. No clue what happened with Game 2's but he ran Launch and a triple stall package to get around Ball Fortune(??? the unique card that you name a card and it cant be played or the abilities be activated) and Launch. It was pro but he didn't top in Crossover because I beat him at time on a Judge call (but we played it out and I won by 1 extra card in deck too with the game at 0 Planet damage to 0 Planet Damage). Either way I liked it, but Idk how yall feel it plays in the meta but i brought it up anyways.

Someone do MonoVillain/Villain/X and MonoEarth/Earth/x, because I'm lazy and going away now.

[scubadude]

The meta was a little like i expected and a little not .

Various unique villain seemed to be the most consistant I played against in the top tables tied with that was earth alien rush which I played one or the other every round. Except when I played against one of SS3 goku decks which was very good very consistant on SS3. My last 2 matches I drew in order to make top 8 . But over all with the random SS3 and stall decks it was very interesting.

[the Joker0122]

The meta was a little like i expected and a little not .

Various unique villain seemed to be the most consistant I played against in the top tables tied with that was earth alien rush which I played one or the other every round. Except when I played against one of SS3 goku decks which was very good very consistant on SS3. My last 2 matches I drew in order to make top 8 . But over all with the random SS3 and stall decks it was very interesting.

SS3 Goku for the win :D

[Random-Man]

Like I said at our match, I knew I would have seen a stall deck because there is no good event controle. Your deck was amazing and I am happy for you and your victories.

If you think about it, Mono Unique is almost near perfect. Monster Reborn, Pumps, Negation...

You should have won that game. You top decked DOTC and he had one card in hand... Evil Forced Organized.

With there being no event controle and Unique being busted, I posted a earth-unique deck in Deck Dojo.

[Random-Man]

The meta was a little like i expected and a little not .

Various unique villain seemed to be the most consistant I played against in the top tables tied with that was earth alien rush which I played one or the other every round. Except when I played against one of SS3 goku decks which was very good very consistant on SS3. My last 2 matches I drew in order to make top 8 . But over all with the random SS3 and stall decks it was very interesting.

That was totaly me

[GMChaos121]

Like I said at our match, I knew I would have seen a stall deck because there is no good event controle. Your deck was amazing and I am happy for you and your victories.

If you think about it, Mono Unique is almost near perfect. Monster Reborn, Pumps, Negation...

You should have won that game. You top decked DOTC and he had one card in hand... Evil Forced Organized.

With there being no event controle and Unique being busted, I posted a earth-unique deck in Deck Dojo.

In the end, all that matters is that I didn't win. Any excuse would be for my inability to play at the level consistently or based on luck, but those matter not, because at the end of the day, I didn't go home with the PS3 or the title.

[scubadude]

That was totaly me

No I was talking about a mono super deck in a meta full of unqiue , unique/villain, and earth /alien rush lol .

[Makeshift Ghost]

No I was talking about a mono super deck in a meta full of unqiue , unique/villain, and earth /alien rush lol .

Mono Super FTW.:D It is a very sneaky deck, can pull out wins out of no where.

[pyrot53]

Agro decks are pretty pro I hear.

Earth or Earth/X.

Stomping + Captured +all the earth stuff is amazing.

[BalanceBJJ]

Unique/X: Busted.... Techs: Expanding Vibration, Evil Cannon, Wave Cannon, and Evil Force Organized(MONSTER REBORN) are AMAZING and I saw a lot of it at the top tables consistently. Dudes: King Piccolo, Super Garlic Jr., Evil Majin Buu, Lord Slug, and Dabura. I didn't include Zoonama or Piccolo Jr since most decks already run them anyways, but them being on element is nice. These dudes are huge, have plunder, some with thrash, and STILL have abilities on top of that. Evil Majin Buu was PRO at ripping apart chump blockers from early game and getting rid of that pesky Red.

While that 0 line-up is in every decent deck, having it on color is huge. My chi being wrong cost be some very important games.

Evil Majin Buu is a beast, but balanced by the fact he can't be EFO'd

Stall deck: ...... I don't know about the stall decks that weren't played at Gencon, but there were TWO total I think out of all the players. My brother (Gustavo Colon.... not really my brother but we have the same last name, so he is NOW lol) and I were both playing it and during Dbz/Naruto Crossover it was me and him at the top table during round 6..... Anyways, the 2 versions we had seemed to just about auto win every game 1 since no one mained any Launchs in both Crossover and DB. His was the legitimate stall deck/deck out win with Antagonism and New Scanner into the Emission/Chi Chi/Supreme Kai lock. No clue what happened with Game 2's but he ran Launch and a triple stall package to get around Ball Fortune(??? the unique card that you name a card and it cant be played or the abilities be activated) and Launch. It was pro but he didn't top in Crossover because I beat him at time on a Judge call (but we played it out and I won by 1 extra card in deck too with the game at 0 Planet damage to 0 Planet Damage). Either way I liked it, but Idk how yall feel it plays in the meta but i brought it up anyways.

Stall Decks capitalize on people not having Launch in their side deck, as it's an auto win otherwise unless they don't hit the lock. Dealing with two Stall Decks at home, my buddy would have loved playing a Stall in any of his rounds. Launch + Supreme Kai is the key to the stall lock. The game does need more event removal.

Various unique villain seemed to be the most consistant I played against in the top tables tied with that was earth alien rush which I played one or the other every round. Except when I played against one of SS3 goku decks which was very good very consistant on SS3. My last 2 matches I drew in order to make top 8 . But over all with the random SS3 and stall decks it was very interesting.

Unique/X was by far the most consistent deck overall.


I came to GenCon with no deck to play and made my deck at like 7 am after driving for 11 hrs. I went with Alien/Earth, and it worked, some games really well. I think I won 4-5 games on Turn 3, I think one was against Scuba. I don't really think any other deck is capable of that early a win, but it requires charging the right chi. The wrong charges killed me in one game against Josh Lu and then the deck just didn't give me warriors in another vs. Josh and the rubber game against Scuba.

I had to pick between two decks, and in hindsight the Unique/Earth would have been the better choice.

[BalanceBJJ]

Agro decks are pretty pro I hear.

Earth or Earth/X.

Stomping + Captured +all the earth stuff is amazing.

I'll agree with you for once pyro.

New Earth and Alien 0 drops will help the decks Chi consistency

[pyrot53]

I'll agree with you for once pyro.

New Earth and Alien 0 drops will help the decks Chi consistency

...I thought this was current meta? No doubt i believe itll be good next set but i think if your playing alien youd be better off playiing vegeta next set.

I didnt have too many problem with chi consistency in the DB tourny, I ran 10 splashes but whenever i didnt hit one it wasnt a problem and when i did need it i had enough to charge from hand for game.

[BalanceBJJ]

...I thought this was current meta? No doubt i believe itll be good next set but i think if your playing alien youd be better off playiing vegeta next set.

I didnt have too many problem with chi consistency in the DB tourny, I ran 10 splashes but whenever i didnt hit one it wasnt a problem and when i did need it i had enough to charge from hand for game.

I ran 8 Splash but had problems in cases where I just flat out charged two splash with my first two charges. One game my charges went Splash,Splash Alien. Had any of those charges been Earth I would have been fine, I just didn't see the Earth.

I'm saying it will be better next set. And though new Vegeta is a beast he is a turn 5, so a deck that can win on Turn 3/4 might not be a bad choice if the meta is all Vegeta Over 9K

[the Joker0122]

Alien/Earth rush will at least be twice as good next set. If Arale is a better Zoonama, she easily replaces all the copies of Zoonama that you would normally run. And the King Cold, decent or not, would replace the Goku, Piccolo Jr. or even Saibamen in the deck. Just those subtle changes make the deck twice as good IMO, because now you dont have the splash, which seems to be a problem for the deck, and Balance clearly had occasional problems with it

[theyellowdart]

I think mono earth could be strong next set. Earth has some great techs, with a few new strong warriors, it could be added to the meta.

[Godzilla]

Alien/Earth rush will at least be twice as good next set. If Arale is a better Zoonama, she easily replaces all the copies of Zoonama that you would normally run. And the King Cold, decent or not, would replace the Goku, Piccolo Jr. or even Saibamen in the deck. Just those subtle changes make the deck twice as good IMO, because now you dont have the splash, which seems to be a problem for the deck, and Balance clearly had occasional problems with it

King Cold a turn 0? Am I missing something here, But King Cold doesn't seem like he'd ever be a turn 0 to me. I don't see how anyone could think that so I was just wondering if it was ever mentioned somewhere that he was going to be a turn 0 and I just missed it? I thought we only had the upper portion of the card and didn't know any turn cost yet.

[Demonsoldier1126]

Well I played Earth/Super Rush, and I got 3-2-1.
Basically, we know how the build goes, using Lone Wolfs to send out single teams of 3/0, and doubling them with the missions alone. Using things like WMAT to boost our Earth characters such as Popo, Trunks, Android 8, and Great Saiyaman by +1. GS is totally anti meta right now, getting an ADDITIONAL +1/0 plus Trash 1 if faces a Unique, Alien, or Villain. Another fun card is Orange High School, being able to take some of the BIG teams, and making them not able to block your teams of 5+ late game.

Normally this deck is GREAT, but the only problem is, if you face a stall deck like I did in the 4th round, you wind up getting spanked because they'll stall you out till like...turn 6-7 to get out the more powerful warriors like SS3 Goku and then just stomp you in. So if anything, you'd want to sidedeck Launch FOR SURE.
The only other problem is, just make sure you don't go TO fast, or it'll be like zipping up your pants zipper to fast...things will get caught. *___*

[Rastas4Jesus09]

King Cold a turn 0? Am I missing something here, But King Cold doesn't seem like he'd ever be a turn 0 to me. I don't see how anyone could think that so I was just wondering if it was ever mentioned somewhere that he was going to be a turn 0 and I just missed it? I thought we only had the upper portion of the card and didn't know any turn cost yet.

Mr. Goku confirmed he was a turn 0, based on the fact that even though he was a powerful warrior, he did literally nothing in the show but manage to beg for his life and die with about 3 minutes of screen time

[soviet prince]

Mr. Goku confirmed he was a turn 0, based on the fact that even though he was a powerful warrior, he did literally nothing in the show but manage to beg for his life and die with about 3 minutes of screen time
I still think he deserved to be turn 3 at least, King cold imo was even stronger then frieza himeself

[scubadude]

Mr. Goku confirmed he was a turn 0, based on the fact that even though he was a powerful warrior, he did literally nothing in the show but manage to beg for his life and die with about 3 minutes of screen time

I agree it makes sense and good from design to get a desent alien turn 0.

[Godzilla]

Mr. Goku confirmed he was a turn 0, based on the fact that even though he was a powerful warrior, he did literally nothing in the show but manage to beg for his life and die with about 3 minutes of screen time

I see. He should be a pretty good turn 0 then. I mean, it's not like he was a weak warrior, just that he was just facing someone WAY stronger than him.

[scubadude]

I see. He should be a pretty good turn 0 then. I mean, it's not like he was a weak warrior, just that he was just facing someone WAY stronger than him.

We also may see a lter version of him much stronger and a later turn cost down the road.

[theyellowdart]

We also may see a lter version of him much stronger and a later turn cost down the road.

Yeah. I'm voting for the one from the buu saga. When he's been dead for a while, but they show him watching the goku vs buu fight on that giant crystal ball thing. That one could have been stronger. Maybe. :)

[scubadude]

Yeah. I'm voting for the one from the buu saga. When he's been dead for a while, but they show him watching the goku vs buu fight on that giant crystal ball thing. That one could have been stronger. Maybe. :)

LOL that will be funny if we start getting a bunch of dead warriors lol .

[Saul]

The Best deck in the format is Super/Unique.

Those who saw my deck at Indy know why, and those who saw Jerry and I play the "alternate" DB finals know why.

[BalanceBJJ]

The Best deck in the format is Super/Unique.

Those who saw my deck at Indy know why, and those who saw Jerry and I play the "alternate" DB finals know why.

And could you of course elaborate since most didn't see this match-up

[the Joker0122]

King Cold a turn 0? Am I missing something here, But King Cold doesn't seem like he'd ever be a turn 0 to me. I don't see how anyone could think that so I was just wondering if it was ever mentioned somewhere that he was going to be a turn 0 and I just missed it? I thought we only had the upper portion of the card and didn't know any turn cost yet.

Yeah unfortunately sir, you definately missed it lol Mr. Goku confirmed it on the DBR Podcast that King Cold is in fact the turn 0 warrior

[Random-Man]

The Best deck in the format is Super/Unique.

Those who saw my deck at Indy know why, and those who saw Jerry and I play the "alternate" DB finals know why.

really? Justin Roberts used a super unique deck and went 0-2 befor dropping

post deck lists!

[the Joker0122]

really? Justin Roberts used a super unique deck and went 0-2 befor dropping

post deck lists!

MOAR DECKLISTS!!!!

[soviet prince]

Mr. Goku confirmed he was a turn 0, based on the fact that even though he was a powerful warrior, he did literally nothing in the show but manage to beg for his life and die with about 3 minutes of screen time

Alien/Earth rush will at least be twice as good next set. If Arale is a better Zoonama, she easily replaces all the copies of Zoonama that you would normally run. And the King Cold, decent or not, would replace the Goku, Piccolo Jr. or even Saibamen in the deck. Just those subtle changes make the deck twice as good IMO, because now you dont have the splash, which seems to be a problem for the deck, and Balance clearly had occasional problems with it

I think she will replace piccolo jr before she would zoonama

[the Joker0122]

I think she will replace piccolo jr before she would zoonama

Mr. Goku specifically said that she will replace Zoonama?

[Makeshift Ghost]

Mr. Goku specifically said that she will replace Zoonama?

I don't think she will replace Zoonamba but be a good turn 0 for Earth and in rush decks with Zoonamba would be a good combo with Arale if she is a 3/0 3/0 T0.

[scubadude]

I don't think she will replace Zoonamba but be a good turn 0 for Earth and in rush decks with Zoonamba would be a good combo with Arale if she is a 3/0 3/0 T0.

If she is a 3/ 3/0 when she comes into play draw a card why wouldn't she replace him?

[Makeshift Ghost]

If she is a 3/ 3/0 when she comes into play draw a card why wouldn't she replace him?

Well I didn't know her affect,lol. Then she does replace Zoonamba.:D

[scubadude]

[QUOTE=Makeshift Ghost;47452]Well I didn't know her affect,lol. Then she does replace Zoonamba.:D[/QUOT

No i dont know her affect just saying after hearing mr goku talk about vegeta I believe everything he says about this set. So if he says Arale will be the zoonama replacement ill believe it . Also we still got king cold to see how good he will be .

[BalanceBJJ]

If she is a 3/ 3/0 when she comes into play draw a card why wouldn't she replace him?

Because that would mean Zoonama is still the the second best 0 drop so you'd probably keep him and get rid of the Goku/Piccolo Jr.

By replace I think he meant replace at the top of the 0 drops

[scubadude]

Because that would mean Zoonama is still the the second best 0 drop so you'd probably keep him and get rid of the Goku/Piccolo Jr.

By replace I think he meant replace at the top of the 0 drops

Yes that is what I am talking about taking the spot of number one and zoonama goes to number 2.

[Random-Man]

I still think he deserved to be turn 3 at least, King cold imo was even stronger then frieza himeself

your funny :rolleyes:

[Random-Man]

I like how the T0's are sounding. IMO if i was using a super deck, I would never replace all 3 of my T0 Gokus or if i was using a unique deck, I would never replace zoonama.
I know for a fact that King Cold will replace piccolo jr in ALL alien decks though.

What color was ariel again?

[theyellowdart]

I like how the T0's are sounding. IMO if i was using a super deck, I would never replace all 3 of my T0 Gokus or if i was using a unique deck, I would never replace zoonama.
I know for a fact that King Cold will replace piccolo jr in ALL alien decks though.

What color was ariel again?

She is earth.

[Random-Man]

She is earth.

I hope she has a draw effect like Annin.

I'm pretty confident that she will replace T0 chi-chi too so we can use more T1 drops.
chi-chi was one of thoes 0 drops ment to be played on T1

[scubadude]

I hope she has a draw effect like Annin.

I'm pretty confident that she will replace T0 chi-chi too so we can use more T1 drops.
chi-chi was one of thoes 0 drops ment to be played on T1

Well thats why I said come into play draw a card with the new vegeta its looking like more draw and search will come into the game which is a great thing.

[theyellowdart]

Well thats why I said come into play draw a card with the new vegeta its looking like more draw and search will come into the game which is a great thing.

Yeah, that would be really helpful. We don't have enough of either of those things. I hope they come mostly as effects on warriors, like they did on vegeta. Then I can draw and search for dragonfist. Or whatever techs end up being good in this set. :D

[scubadude]

Yeah, that would be really helpful. We don't have enough of either of those things. I hope they come mostly as effects on warriors, like they did on vegeta. Then I can draw and search for dragonfist. Or whatever techs end up being good in this set. :D

Thats what im hoping for we need a turn 2 or 3 alien or super guy that searches for vegeta lol.

[theyellowdart]

Thats what im hoping for we need a turn 2 or 3 alien or super guy that searches for vegeta lol.

how about a t2 bulma? effect: cost (S) search your planet for a warrior with "saiyan" or "super-saiyan" characteristic and place it into your hand.

[the Joker0122]

how about a t2 bulma? effect: cost (S) search your planet for a warrior with "saiyan" or "super-saiyan" characteristic and place it into your hand.

That seems really good!

[scubadude]

That seems really good!

Seems amazing to be to be able to hit both then again I did always love bulma in the show lol .

[the Joker0122]

Seems amazing to be to be able to hit both then again I did always love bulma in the show lol .

Hahaha yeah! Although, if you think about it, that effect really only needs to have "Saiyan" because you can search for a super saiyan as well. But if it was made to search for a "Super Saiyan" it makes the search choice smaller.

[Saul]

really? Justin Roberts used a super unique deck and went 0-2 befor dropping

post deck lists!

Actually Justin Used a carbon copy of my deck, however he had just switched to it the night before and didn't know how to use it well enough I guess. I don't know I wasn't really told much about his games :( sad times.

However I assure you the deck is legitamate and got 3rd place, because I scooped top 4 to Joe to play Jerry (the sannin, sannin matchup was just too tempting lol.) Then I played jerry with the decks while we were waiting for our top 16 decks to be checked, and won.

The basis of the deck is mainly pure unique with a heavy splash of super (yes I choose my words correctly) it was a pure meta call. I'll put a list up in the correct section, since I'm quitting card games I dont care if the list gets bitten in fact I would be happy to see it live on lol.