A Nice Surprise Bandai!

[swordmaster]

Basically, the only problem that I had with DBZ has now been resolved. There are 4 SUPER RARES PER BOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IT has been confirmed I said that right 4 super rares per box! Thank you Bandai!

[Trunks the Swordsman]

That was pretty cool. I was very happy with my one box. Bandai does deserve some thanks.

[SS4Goku]

Basically, the only problem that I had with DBZ has now been resolved. There are 4 SUPER RARES PER BOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IT has been confirmed I said that right 4 super rares per box! Thank you Bandai!

you wanna know how to confirm it without buying lots of boxes??

Read the card pack!! It says that the SR ratio is 1:6.

[theyellowdart]

that's good. hopefully it will help more new players get interested with a better chance of getting super rares. :)

[Ninja Pebble]

Yes that was my last beef with them 2 so I'm happy.:D

[the Joker0122]

Basically, the only problem that I had with DBZ has now been resolved. There are 4 SUPER RARES PER BOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IT has been confirmed I said that right 4 super rares per box! Thank you Bandai!

If you would look on the back of each pack you can confirm it yourself lol It now says "Gold Foil Cards Randomly Inserted [1:6 packs]" :p

[teengohan373]

If you would look on the back of each pack you can confirm it yourself lol It now says "Gold Foil Cards Randomly Inserted [1:6 packs]" :p

yayz! yayz again!

[Rastas4Jesus09]

1:infinity chance of pulling KP

applause!

[Trunks the Swordsman]

Eh... acceptable loss. I don't think anyone REALLY wanted him anyway. If people got any of these: Vegito, Cooler, the Wish and Gohan (maybe), they're good. It is lame for collectors trying to make sets though.

[soviet prince]

Eh... acceptable loss. I don't think anyone REALLY wanted him anyway. If people got any of these: Vegito, Cooler, the Wish and Gohan (maybe), they're good. It is lame for collectors trying to make sets though.

I did KP is not a ad card don't seem why every keeps saying he is

[swordmaster]

you wanna know how to confirm it without buying lots of boxes??

Read the card pack!! It says that the SR ratio is 1:6.

Never said i bought a lot of boxes???

[scubadude]

Honestly i wish we stayed 3 I mean out of 4 boxes we saw one trunks what is with that ?

[CaMeRoN]

Honestly i wish we stayed 3 I mean out of 4 boxes we saw one trunks what is with that ?

That is bad luck.. In every case you get 24 Super Rares or 2 sets of every SR..

[scubadude]

That is bad luck.. In every case you get 24 Super Rares or 2 sets of every SR..

I dont give a crap about the Sr's this set since they suck so bad I want the rares DOTC, trunks and evil buu.

[CaMeRoN]

I dont give a crap about the Sr's this set since they suck so bad I want the rares DOTC, trunks and evil buu.

lol I randomly thought Super Rare since that's what this topic is about.. That's messed up that you guys didn't pull any SS Trunks.. Super bad luck..

[Random-Man]

it makes it a lot easyer to collect now!!!!!

[teengohan373]

lol I randomly thought Super Rare since that's what this topic is about.. That's messed up that you guys didn't pull any SS Trunks.. Super bad luck..

in our box there were 4 trunks... 1 for each peson at the event lol. but only 1 ss goten.

[scubadude]

lol I randomly thought Super Rare since that's what this topic is about.. That's messed up that you guys didn't pull any SS Trunks.. Super bad luck..

No we got like 12 super sayian trunks its the earth trunks we got one of and only 3 evil buus.

[gamerpaul]

Ya I friend of mine got no trunks but 6 ss Gotens in one box

[teengohan373]

Ya I friend of mine got no trunks but 6 ss Gotens in one box

WOW! just WOW!

[Trunks the Swordsman]

Bandai needs to work on their rare/uncommon distribution a bit better.

For the life of me I could not pull One Last Attack from Warriors Return. I had every other card including Supers so I had to go buy one online.

Same with Never Ending Nightmare in Awakening. Every card but that.

I'm still not done with the base set of Destructive Fury.

Bandai needs to stop short printing unplayable cards... In fact, just stop short printing.

[CaMeRoN]

So whats your solution? Put more rares in the packs?

[teengohan373]

So whats your solution? Put more rares in the packs?

no. make a booster called "explosion of power" where u get 6 cards. and 3 of the cards are supers. 1 is rare. 1 is uncomen. 1 is commen. YAYZ!:D

[Trunks the Swordsman]

I already said that they should either stop short printing stuff or just spread things out more evenly. It's not like it can't be done.

If you look in the Fusion pull thread and here people have been getting many duplicates of one rare and one or fewer copy of others. I saw someone get a box and pulled 9 copies of a rare, 3 of them foil and no, it wasn't a good rare. It's not just bad luck. This happens in every Bandai game. It's pretty sad to have a full set of Supers but not a full set of rares or uncommons.

They could be doing this on purpose to get us to buy more but it's pretty lame, especially in a set where the rares count for something.

[swordmaster]

I got 3 trunks out of 2 boxes. you just got strange pulls. I only got 2 Dotcs but that is whatever.

Like in naruto I only got 4 shino's out of a case but of course i bought one tin and I got a foil one and a rare one. Its all in your luck.

Its like that in every card game. A friend of mine bought a yugioh tin. he got 3 packs in it and bought one pack. he got 3 tuning wares which is supposed to be short print. He bought 2 boxes of the set and pulled none. Just all in your luck.

[CaMeRoN]

The ratio is fine.. 4 boxes will get you a set of every card.. if your buying less then 4 boxes then stop complaining that you didn't get a set of certain cards..

[Trunks the Swordsman]

Believe me, I get more than four boxes of each set except Fusion of course, still too early. Combine that with the others who pick up boxes with these duplicate pulls and I think it's more than chance.

Multiple posters here have duplicates of one certain rare and so few of another out of one box. 6 copies of one rare in a box is pretty unfair.

In Naruto, Shinos and Long Awaited Reinforcements are short printed. They're the most wanted rares in the set so they're automatically harder to pull. It's not a coincidence. Everybody wants them and very few who have purchased several boxes completed playsets that way. Same with Just like Drifting Clouds when that was released. Tough to pull, why? It's the best card in the set.

I guess from a business point of view, this is fine for Bandai since it causes us to buy more or resort to buying singles. It's just frustrating these days to buy a box and get 6-9 of the same rare. I know what you're saying, just deal with it... but that's just ridiculous distribution.

[CaMeRoN]

Dude the cards in your packs are randomized.. It would be ridiculous for Bandai to make sure there is one of every rare in every box.. Seriously.. think about it..

I've bought 4 boxes of every set so far and I have gotten a set of every rare, common, and uncommon.. If your buying less than 4 boxes then buy more.. If you refuse then stop complaining..

[Trunks the Swordsman]

I understand extra rares in a box of 24. I never said they should have 24 different rares per box. They don't want to make it too easy for you, but 6 copies? A quarter of your box with the same rare, that's just awful. Really, it could be more random than that and I know it can be done. With each set, to have all the Super Rares but not a full base set, something must be up.

As for your method, not everyone can afford 4 boxes so this is just a major letdown to those who can barely afford a box but would rather support their store instead of buying singles online.

If you can afford 4 boxes and get perfect pulls, fine. It's different for everyone. You can say it's bad luck and because we aren't buying 4+ boxes, instead of getting closer to a set we get 6 of the same rare. From the experience of myself and many others who've played Bandai's games they just like to short print things.

[gamerpaul]

I got it, Bandai shot JFK

[soviet prince]

did I miss something?

[CaMeRoN]

I understand extra rares in a box of 24. I never said they should have 24 different rares per box. They don't want to make it too easy for you, but 6 copies? A quarter of your box with the same rare, that's just awful. Really, it could be more random than that and I know it can be done. With each set, to have all the Super Rares but not a full base set, something must be up.

As for your method, not everyone can afford 4 boxes so this is just a major letdown to those who can barely afford a box but would rather support their store instead of buying singles online.

If you can afford 4 boxes and get perfect pulls, fine. It's different for everyone. You can say it's bad luck and because we aren't buying 4+ boxes, instead of getting closer to a set we get 6 of the same rare. From the experience of myself and many others who've played Bandai's games they just like to short print things.

Why don't you stop complaining and take your 1 box of cards and trade for the cards you need.. How can you honestly expect to get a set of the cards you need when you don't buy sufficient product? That's just dumb man..

You also obviously don't know what random is.. The system is random enough to give you 6 of the same rare in a box.. Randomization refers to probability.. The odds of you flipping heads or tails is 50%.. It's possible for you to get 5 heads and 0 tails on 5 flips.. It's possible for you to get 0 heads and 5 tails on 5 flips.. Now you can flip that coin as many time as you want and the results might change.. but the probability will never change.. That's called perfect randomization and probability..

Now the cards are randomized in a similar way for the packs.. There is a ratio of cards in every pack.. 1 in every 6 packs has a Super Rare or 17% of packs has a Super Rare.. There are a certain amount of rares in a set.. There is a percentage applied to the number of cards printed and put into packs.. That is how they are randomized..

I'm sorry you got screwed with bad luck but complaining about it when you don't buy sufficient product to get what you need by pulls is dumb..

[gamerpaul]

did I miss something?

I was just making fun of the fact that he was going on about some bandai conspiracy to make certain rares harder to get so I said they were behind another conspiracy as well.

[SaiyenPrince]

Why don't you stop complaining and take your 1 box of cards and trade for the cards you need.. How can you honestly expect to get a set of the cards you need when you don't buy sufficient product? That's just dumb man..

You also obviously don't know what random is.. The system is random enough to give you 6 of the same rare in a box.. Randomization refers to probability.. The odds of you flipping heads or tails is 50%.. It's possible for you to get 5 heads and 0 tails on 5 flips.. It's possible for you to get 0 heads and 5 tails on 5 flips.. Now you can flip that coin as many time as you want and the results might change.. but the probability will never change.. That's called perfect randomization and probability..

Now the cards are randomized in a similar way for the packs.. There is a ratio of cards in every pack.. 1 in every 6 packs has a Super Rare or 17% of packs has a Super Rare.. There are a certain amount of rares in a set.. There is a percentage applied to the number of cards printed and put into packs.. That is how they are randomized..

I'm sorry you got screwed with bad luck but complaining about it when you don't buy sufficient product to get what you need by pulls is dumb..

You can't say it's not possible for them to make the distribution of rares a little better. I used to play Raw Deal and I would get a case every set. out of 36 packs you would get a different rare in each pack except for maybe 4-5 cards you would get doubles but half a case (3 boxes) you would 95% of the time get 3 copies of every rare, and that other 5% went to either getting 4 of one rare or 2 of the power rare that set. Games have done it in the past another of the top of my head is Magic, so it can be done. I think the reason they don't do it is because bandai tends to be the most unorganized ccg company ever made, which is probably why KP isn't in the set.

[CaMeRoN]

Dude.. Your listing percentages.. That means that it won't always happen that way but there is a certain chance of it happening.. Bandai could change the percentages but I don't see that happening.. Honestly, what the user above is saying doesn't always happen.. It's a strange occurrence where the probability of it happening is very low.. Yes it can happen because there is nobody manipulating the distribution of rares.. This is the risk you take by buying packs instead of singles..

This isn't a hard concept guys.. Anyone with a high school education should be able to understand..

[Trunks the Swordsman]

I've already said that for past sets I've bought at least 4 boxes each. I also said I got a full set of Supers through boxes. That clears me of your "buy 4 to get a set" but no set. It's not a matter of me not buying sufficient product. As long as I went 4+, to you that's sufficient. So stop calling me on that.

I'm not saying I should automatically get a full set. I'm not complaining and crying that I didn't get a $.50 card. The duplicates per box is the problem. If it was 6 of a common, understandable. Uncommon, I guess. Rare, now something must be up.

You can't really compare a coin flip to this. With coins there is a chance to get 24 heads or just 1 head. Completely random. However with booster boxes, I don't think it's as random as a coin where there is a chance that in a box you can get 24 of the same rare. There has to be some kind of formula Bandai uses so that kind of box doesn't happen. My point, it's rigged somehow unlike real coins.

Surely Bandai has machines putting these boxes together. They have a randomizing process for packs of course. There has to be some model to follow and to put 6 of the one rare in one box out of the 24 rares in the set is just lame. They can definitely randomize it better than that. You can say it's an error but this is so common in Bandai that players feel robbed. I just feel that certain cards are short printed (pull-wise) and 6 duplicates in a box could be to blame. This isn't just coincidence, not when this is happening all over.

You say it's a risk we take to buy packs and there is a chance these duplicates can happen to us. However, there is a less of a risk of this happening with other card games.

I get your point, despite your long paragraphs it all comes down to "deal with it". Originally all I did was point out that of the boxes/packs in my area (That were bought by the players), to not get 1 copy of a certain unplayable rare but a full set of Supers is strange. I don't know why you had to make something out of this.

You can't say it's not possible for them to make the distribution of rares a little better. I used to play Raw Deal and I would get a case every set. out of 36 packs you would get a different rare in each pack except for maybe 4-5 cards you would get doubles but half a case (3 boxes) you would 95% of the time get 3 copies of every rare, and that other 5% went to either getting 4 of one rare or 2 of the power rare that set. Games have done it in the past another of the top of my head is Magic, so it can be done. I think the reason they don't do it is because bandai tends to be the most unorganized ccg company ever made, which is probably why KP isn't in the set.

Thank you. That was the point I was trying to make. You've bought cases of Raw Deal from multiple sets and according to you, fair distribution.

I'm not going to leave a note on Bandai's door and try to convince them to look into this but other card games can randomize properly with ease. Yes, there is a fair way to randomize things, at least when it comes to making booster boxes. I've played many card games and Bandai is the only company I see doing this so frequently.

I was just making fun of the fact that he was going on about some bandai conspiracy to make certain rares harder to get so I said they were behind another conspiracy as well.

You're the one who brought up 6 Trunks in one box. You must've said that because you thought it was strange and worth contributing to the discussion. It could've been just bad luck but with so many similar happenings in this forum which is a smallish but spread out community it seems like more than bad luck.

[goliaththegreat]

I'm glad that the super rares went to 4 a box,I think that it's a good idea on bandai's behalf.

[CaMeRoN]

I've bought 4 boxes for the past 3 sets and have gotten more than enough of every rare, common, and uncommon..

In Set 3, the rarity distribution looks like this (numbers rounded up for simplicity);
25 Rares
30 Uncommons
40 Commons

In 4 boxes you will get;
96 Rares
96 Foils (Common, Uncommon, Rare)
288 Uncommons
384 Commons

To get a full set of every card (except super rares) you will need;
75 Rares
90 Uncommons
120 Commons

If you look at the numbers the odds of you getting the cards you need in 4 boxes is very good.. It's possible that you won't get everything you need the odds are very low..

I don't know why you had to make something out of this.

It takes two to tango bud.. I took offense to what you said because you were knocking the game.. I am going to defend the game I play through and through..

[Trunks the Swordsman]

How am I knocking the game? I think the game's fine. This has nothing to do with gameplay and I'm not ranting about broken cards.

You're taking offense because you think I'm bummed at not finishing my set through boxes?

All I said was that distribution could be better. Anybody who bought boxes and ended up with a full set of Supers but not the base set would think something's up. Same with those who got 6 duplicate rares. It's a common reaction to feel a bit ripped. People would definitely wonder about that, especially those who have bought packs of non-Bandai card games as this kind of thing doesn't normally happen. It's also something that can be helped on Bandai's side, it's not un-preventable. Though I know they won't do anything about it.

I'm guessing you don't play Naruto because if you did it's really a mess. Not just in the whole short print thing, but the game itself. Bandai is not the best card game company and that's coming from someone who played a majority of their games. I'm not saying Dragonball will be like that, it's superior to Naruto in many ways and it has a great start. Easy to tell since Bandai's cards for Naruto are no longer Japanese translations and Dragonball's are also exclusive in that way. Compare them, Dragonball's more fair.

It's just that Dragonball and Naruto both share this short printing problem along with Bandai's other games. Yet I look at other companies and base sets aren't that tough.

[gamerpaul]

How am I knocking the game? I think the game's fine. This has nothing to do with gameplay and I'm not ranting about broken cards.

You're taking offense because you think I'm bummed at not finishing my set through boxes?

All I said was that distribution could be better. Anybody who bought boxes and ended up with a full set of Supers but not the base set would think something's up. Same with those who got 6 duplicate rares. It's a common reaction to feel a bit ripped. People would definitely wonder about that, especially those who have bought packs of non-Bandai card games as this kind of thing doesn't normally happen. It's also something that can be helped on Bandai's side, it's not un-preventable. Though I know they won't do anything about it.

I'm guessing you don't play Naruto because if you did it's really a mess. Not just in the whole short print thing, but the game itself. Bandai is not the best card game company and that's coming from someone who played a majority of their games. I'm not saying Dragonball will be like that, it's superior to Naruto in many ways and it has a great start. Easy to tell since Bandai's cards for Naruto are no longer Japanese translations and Dragonball's are also exclusive in that way. Compare them, Dragonball's more fair.

It's just that Dragonball and Naruto both share this short printing problem along with Bandai's other games. Yet I look at other companies and base sets aren't that tough.

You have no evidence of this though it's stupid to say well me and my friends got some boxes and didn't get many of this certain card or whatever because somebody else could have got 6 out of their box or something. The thing is unless you can prove without a doubt that bandai does this you can just shut up about it.

[swordmaster]

all I know is that I got a pretty even distribution of rares to and super rares. 2 Dotc in a box none in another. that happens. I will probably buy one more box and i hope that I get 1 more dotc. I got a foil ssj trunk several earth trunks and I really have no complaints with my boxes. Random is just that random. I am surprised that king piccolo is not in the set, but I bet he is being changed so whatever. He is not worth playing anyways as he was.

[Trunks the Swordsman]

You have no evidence of this though it's stupid to say well me and my friends got some boxes and didn't get many of this certain card or whatever because somebody else could have got 6 out of their box or something. The thing is unless you can prove without a doubt that bandai does this you can just shut up about it.

Well I don't know how else to provide the evidence. You said someone got 6 Super Saiyan Trunks in a box, I believed you. Same with the others on this board and the boxes I've seen between me and my friends. They claim to have only 1 of something out of X boxes, why would they lie about something like this?

Everyone who claims to have went through several boxes, someone else witnessing ten boxes being opened have not seen a King Piccolo. Should I not believe them? That was good enough for me. Hey, maybe King Piccolo's still out there but until someone has one, maybe scans a picture he probably didn't get printed into the set. I didn't get one either so I'll believe that.

I never said that I won't get a card because someone else got 6 copies. My original point was that out of so many boxes, to not get a certain rare but every Super is odd.

It's easy to think that because someone got 6 copies of Trunks, other people have less of a chance to get him since so many were clumped into that box. If Bandai took more care in distribution, that someone you know would've gotten more new rares instead of 6 of the same thing or at least fewer duplicates as 2-3 copies is okay. You can't tell me he was excited about that pull. Sure he could trade them off but opening packs is part of the fun and for that to happen, ugh. It would make anyone unhappy. I'm not saying every box is flawed. It's clear some people get good boxes, some don't. It's just that the screwed up boxes really shouldn't be happening and it's preventable.

Bandai makes lots of mistakes. Proof's in the cards. So many errors. Wrong pictures, misspellings, and more. Yes, many card games suffer from the same but Bandai does it a lot. This short printing thing is nothing new coming from them.

I'm sorry I can't provide you with proof you can believe but that's the best I can do. Just listen to what others have said and toss in my experiences. You can't give proof that I'm making this up except by doing the same, right? I've played maybe 6-7 of Bandai's games and that's what I see.

[gamerpaul]

Well I don't know how else to provide the evidence. You said someone got 6 Super Saiyan Trunks in a box, I believed you. Same with the others on this board and the boxes I've seen between me and my friends. They claim to have only 1 of something out of X boxes, why would they lie about something like this?

Everyone who claims to have went through several boxes, someone else witnessing ten boxes being opened have not seen a King Piccolo. Should I not believe them? That was good enough for me. Hey, maybe King Piccolo's still out there but until someone has one, maybe scans a picture he probably didn't get printed into the set. I didn't get one either so I'll believe that.

I never said that I won't get a card because someone else got 6 copies. My original point was that out of so many boxes, to not get a certain rare but every Super is odd.

It's easy to think that because someone got 6 copies of Trunks, other people have less of a chance to get him since so many were clumped into that box. If Bandai took more care in distribution, that someone you know would've gotten more new rares instead of 6 of the same thing or at least fewer duplicates as 2-3 copies is okay. You can't tell me he was excited about that pull. Sure he could trade them off but opening packs is part of the fun and for that to happen, ugh. It would make anyone unhappy. I'm not saying every box is flawed. It's clear some people get good boxes, some don't. It's just that the screwed up boxes really shouldn't be happening and it's preventable.

Bandai makes lots of mistakes. Proof's in the cards. So many errors. Wrong pictures, misspellings, and more. Yes, many card games suffer from the same but Bandai does it a lot. This short printing thing is nothing new coming from them.

I'm sorry I can't provide you with proof you can believe but that's the best I can do. Just listen to what others have said and toss in my experiences. You can't give proof that I'm making this up except by doing the same, right? I've played maybe 6-7 of Bandai's games and that's what I see.

The thing is you aren't thinking statistically at all. Ya my friend got 6 SS Gotens in one box but does that mean SS Gotens are more common then other rares I don't know. In order to start claiming things lite certain rares are more common than others you need a lot more data than a few people that posted and some of your friends got a bunch of a certain rare and not so many of another. I wasn't saying that because one box gets 10 of a certain rare another will have none it just goes back to the coin flip thing Cameron was saying. I understand that you can find it odd that you or your friends only got a certain amount of certain rares but you can't just go around stating that bandai prints less of certain rares unless you have a ridiculous amount of data to support the theory or some kind of proof which you don't.

An example is in my public speaking class he has everyone on the class listed on note cards and whenever we are getting ready to give speeches he draws cards and lets that person decide when they are speaking. I got picked as one of the first the first 3 times we did this meaning I pretty much got to choose when to give my speech. Now I am sure at least one person got picked pretty late all 3 times. Do you see where I am going with this? He could star complaining because him and another friend got picked last nearly every time while me and another person got picked first nearly every time. The whole thing was random but just like the coin flip I can get 10 heads in a row just like I could pull 6 SS Gotens but this doesn't affect the probability of getting a certain rare and like I said earlier you would need a lot more data then you actually have to prove the probabilities are off.

[Mainkis]

Ok soo . . . ive read every post on this topic, and i want to start by saying that i dont argue the logic of probability and percentages and i dont care enough nor would be interested in trying to prove that bandai short prints.

That being said....my team bought 4 boxes....we pulled 3 dotc's, 3 evil buu's, 1 gt super saiyan goku, 1 android 14 and on the same note we have 4 vegitos, 3 whishes, 2 coolers, 2 majin buu fused. When you look at this pull along w all the other ones on this post i think ur starting to get ur load of info u were talkin about.

I understand bandai wants to make money <duh right!> but i think but 6 different rares counting for over half of the rares we pulled in 4 boxes is sickening and deserves the term of short printing fair and square.

Please dont get me wrong i love this game and am way relieved to have bandai after many years of score z. I just wanted to state im experience and opinion.

[CaMeRoN]

Everyone who claims to have went through several boxes, someone else witnessing ten boxes being opened have not seen a King Piccolo. Should I not believe them? That was good enough for me. Hey, maybe King Piccolo's still out there but until someone has one, maybe scans a picture he probably didn't get printed into the set. I didn't get one either so I'll believe that.

King Piccolo has been confirmed as a Tournament Exclusive SR.. He isn't in the boosters :) That is why nobody has pulled it..

An example is in my public speaking class he has everyone on the class listed on note cards and whenever we are getting ready to give speeches he draws cards and lets that person decide when they are speaking. I got picked as one of the first the first 3 times we did this meaning I pretty much got to choose when to give my speech. Now I am sure at least one person got picked pretty late all 3 times. Do you see where I am going with this? He could star complaining because him and another friend got picked last nearly every time while me and another person got picked first nearly every time. The whole thing was random but just like the coin flip I can get 10 heads in a row just like I could pull 6 SS Gotens but this doesn't affect the probability of getting a certain rare and like I said earlier you would need a lot more data then you actually have to prove the probabilities are off.

I declare Shenanigans on your teacher! He's obviously plotting to give certain students an edge in your class!

[Trunks the Swordsman]

The thing is you aren't thinking statistically at all. Ya my friend got 6 SS Gotens in one box but does that mean SS Gotens are more common then other rares I don't know. In order to start claiming things lite certain rares are more common than others you need a lot more data than a few people that posted and some of your friends got a bunch of a certain rare and not so many of another. I wasn't saying that because one box gets 10 of a certain rare another will have none it just goes back to the coin flip thing Cameron was saying. I understand that you can find it odd that you or your friends only got a certain amount of certain rares but you can't just go around stating that bandai prints less of certain rares unless you have a ridiculous amount of data to support the theory or some kind of proof which you don't.

An example is in my public speaking class he has everyone on the class listed on note cards and whenever we are getting ready to give speeches he draws cards and lets that person decide when they are speaking. I got picked as one of the first the first 3 times we did this meaning I pretty much got to choose when to give my speech. Now I am sure at least one person got picked pretty late all 3 times. Do you see where I am going with this? He could star complaining because him and another friend got picked last nearly every time while me and another person got picked first nearly every time. The whole thing was random but just like the coin flip I can get 10 heads in a row just like I could pull 6 SS Gotens but this doesn't affect the probability of getting a certain rare and like I said earlier you would need a lot more data then you actually have to prove the probabilities are off.

I have more than the people who posted here and just my friends. Like I said, I play Bandai's other games. I've met people who also played these games at out of city tournaments. These are all different people, some the same mind you but not all of them migrate from game to game like a couple of us. They all see this kind of pattern with Bandai. Countless copies of one rare but when it comes to a good one and even some bad ones, nearly none to be found. This was the case in Gundam War and more often than not in Naruto. You can't really say I don't have the data if you haven't played all these other games as well and experienced opening a lot yourself. I don't know if you have played them but you haven't referenced them so just assuming you only play Dragonball out of Bandai's games.

As for the coin thing I just don't see that as a good comparison to booster boxes. As I said with coin flipping, you can get 24 heads or at least there's a chance of that happening. With a booster box, there is nearly zero chance for you to get 24 of the same rare unless there was a major error with the machines. It's just not that random. 6 copies is pretty messed up already but I'm very sure Bandai at least makes sure this won't happen: 24 copies of Eight Hand Technique in a box. You have to give me that. Bandai must have a system of randomization where mass duplicates don't show up in a box. However, short printing of certain cards is evident with what people say.

I guess I don't have a ridiculous amount of data but this is what I have and I'll stick to it. I'm not going to run out and hand out surveys, this'll have to do. I buy enough and see enough being bought to notice short printings. It happens. I'll take people's word for it that their boxes have unfair distribution.

That being said....my team bought 4 boxes....we pulled 3 dotc's, 3 evil buu's, 1 gt super saiyan goku, 1 android 14 and on the same note we have 4 vegitos, 3 whishes, 2 coolers, 2 majin buu fused. When you look at this pull along w all the other ones on this post i think ur starting to get ur load of info u were talkin about.

I understand bandai wants to make money <duh right!> but i think but 6 different rares counting for over half of the rares we pulled in 4 boxes is sickening and deserves the term of short printing fair and square.

Please dont get me wrong i love this game and am way relieved to have bandai after many years of score z. I just wanted to state im experience and opinion.

And I thank you for your opinion. Those are odd pulls out of 4 boxes. It's nice to have a playset of Dignity but out of 4 boxes? 1 copy of Goku? That's 96 rares with say 24 rares in the set. It just so happens those are all playable too, hmm... I'll have to agree that's a short print when you get one copy out of 96 rares when there's only around 24 different ones. At least with Score, Ultra Rares are supposed to be tough to pull, but we're talking rares here and it's lame when people have a full set of Supers but not rares.

King Piccolo has been confirmed as a Tournament Exclusive SR.. He isn't in the boosters :) That is why nobody has pulled it..

That's great. 4 Supers a box and one less Super to complete a set.

[soviet prince]

probabilty and luck play a role in all tcg, sometimes it's good and sometimes it's bad. I played many games from several difrrent company's and the same problem your complaining about exist there as well. An example of this is smashing ground in yuigoh it was a common and was impossable to get and worth 10$ a card.In bleach there was reality check and konoji challange which were pretty hard to pull. If you did not get something that you need just trade online there are many good realiable ones on the enet.

[Trunks the Swordsman]

I played Yugioh and Bleach.

Smashing Ground can easily be found in four boxes of Invasion of Chaos and in multiples as well. It's not as common as a common should be but Yugioh's not the game to be talking about hard to get cards.

Same with Bleach, I know Reality Check and Challenge were difficult to pull but usually out of 8 boxes, the equivalent of 4 boxes of Dragonball you'd get at least 1 of each. Premiere was also an insanely big set so that's different than Dragonball where there's only 24 rares and out of 96 you get one copy.

[SaiyenPrince]

Dude.. Your listing percentages.. That means that it won't always happen that way but there is a certain chance of it happening.. Bandai could change the percentages but I don't see that happening.. Honestly, what the user above is saying doesn't always happen.. It's a strange occurrence where the probability of it happening is very low.. Yes it can happen because there is nobody manipulating the distribution of rares.. This is the risk you take by buying packs instead of singles..

This isn't a hard concept guys.. Anyone with a high school education should be able to understand..

Dude Raw Deal had 20 sets, every set we bought a Case... IT ALWAYS HAPPENED. Just because I list precentages doesn't mean you can put words in my mouth by saying "hey everyone this what the above poster is saying" don't jump into my thread and change around my wording. I worded it the way I worded it for a reason, I listed precentages to show that it doesn't happen all the time someone might have not got a rare out of that set within one box and got doubles of 6 different rares, but the case still stands, YOU WOULD NEVER PULL MORE THEN DOUBLES OUT OF 1 BOX!!!! do you understand that?

Why is it 1 box of awakening I got 7 SCR's one of them being foil? After the third one I don't want anymore. Why is it I pulled 9 Bardocks in my other box, and my friend pulled the same amount of Bardocks in his box? Why did I pull 10+ Android 18's in 3 boxes but only saw 1 Android 17? why did I get 3 boxes of DF to not see 1 Dabura? It's not needed! Bandai needs to figure it out.

I'm not bashing the game, the game is great, I'm bashing the company who makes the game. Because ever since I started getting into this game they have effected me in the worst of ways. I talked to my card shop and they then told me it happened to them when they were trying to get prize support for their store. In this economy Bandai needs to be doing their best to keep me in business with them not the other way around. They need to get their crap together fast.