so i was just wondering......

[SS4 Gogeta28]

so i was just wondering if there r any broken cards like in naruto in DBZ? im so tired of hearing it in naruto so i was wondering if DBZ had any cards like that? and if so can u name some.

[swordmaster]

so i was just wondering if there r any broken cards like in naruto in DBZ? im so tired of hearing it in naruto so i was wondering if DBZ had any cards like that? and if so can u name some.

well 4 witches was broken when it first came out. After fusion there are more cards to deal with it so its not as bad. Really can't think of anything "broken" atm.

Save for of course shu.

[soviet prince]

4 witches was never broken

[teengohan373]

well 4 witches was broken when it first came out. After fusion there are more cards to deal with it so its not as bad. Really can't think of anything "broken" atm.

Save for of course shu.

dotc is close, though.

[CaMeRoN]

dotc is close, though.

Yeah.. DOTC is as broken as Time Machine..

Despite what a lot of people will tell you there are no blatantly broken cards in this game.. If your looking for one single card to hit the field and own the opponent (like APW or the new Naruto) then you won't find it in this card game..

[scubadude]

The only reason why DOTC is broken if at all is because anyone can use not for what it does.

[CaMeRoN]

The only reason why DOTC is broken if at all is because anyone can use not for what it does.

Yes.. Bcuz Super Holy Water and Senzu Beans are broken as well.. Are you reading what you are writing?

[scubadude]

Yes.. Bcuz Super Holy Water and Senzu Beans are broken as well.. Are you reading what you are writing?

They are no where near on the power level of DOTC that is the difference Cam. So if 4 witches tech was generic would you consider that fair?

[majingogeta344]

They are no where near on the power level of DOTC that is the difference Cam. So if 4 witches tech was generic would you consider that fair?

It is actually more fair is everyone can use it. It doesn't force you to run a certain element to win.

[CaMeRoN]

They are no where near on the power level of DOTC that is the difference Cam. So if 4 witches tech was generic would you consider that fair?

You said ignore the power though.

If you want to look at the effect then we can. The effect fizzles cards that target opposing warriors and buffs. So it doesn't stop everything. It has the potential to give you an overwhelming victory. So yeah its good but its not broken.

The fact that every symbol can use it stops power creep. This card would have been ridiculous if only alien could use it. Majority of people would migrate over to Alien because it is one of the few cards that exists that allows you to remove a card from a team. Allowing everyone to use this card diminishes power creep to nothing. This is no more than a staple now. Resisting Power was a staple back in set 1 for the same reasons.

The user who created this threat was asking if there were any broken cards like in Naruto.. I dunno if you've seen the broken cards in Naruto but they are on a way higher plane than DOTC will ever be.. If I had to measure it. it woul dbe liek DOTC being buried in the earth and Naruto's broken cards flying through the clouds.. That's the difference..

[Snow]

It is actually more fair is everyone can use it. It doesn't force you to run a certain element to win.

I totally disagree. Four Witches technique wouldn't be more "fair" if everyone could use it. Under those cir****tances, Super Kamehameha should be 4 generic chi, any technique should be generic so that it's more "fair". DoTC is not broken because everyone can use it. It's just f**kin' stupid that everyone can use it.

I believe that what set 4 witches technique apart from all other techs was the fact that It was an unprecidented technique. There was no other type that had that powerful a technique. Every type, I believe should get their own "four witches technique". DoTC could EASILY be Aliens, there is absolutely no problem there. However, the generic chi is not only problematic, it's f**kin' retarded.

Furthermore, no technique needs generic chi to be "fair". 4WT is my point and case.

You said ignore the power though.

If you want to look at the effect then we can. The effect fizzles cards that target opposing warriors and buffs. So it doesn't stop everything. It has the potential to give you an overwhelming victory. So yeah its good but its not broken.

The fact that every symbol can use it stops power creep. This card would have been ridiculous if only alien could use it. Majority of people would migrate over to Alien because it is one of the few cards that exists that allows you to remove a card from a team.

Wait wait wait, stop RIGHT there. Isn't that EXACTLY what happened with Villain? Yet you were one of the forerunners telling me that it was totally fair and the fact that everyone migrated to Villain had nothing to do with the 4WT. Which, I think we can SAFELY say is TOTALLY incorrect. Additionally, even if this tech was just two alien chi, I'd not move over to them. Because there are plenty of counters and other techniques from OTHER ELEMENTS that can be used to balance out the use of this card.

I seriously want you to tell me how the bolded statement is EXACTLY what f**king happened with Four Witches Technique for TWO godd**n sets. But, it is so....


Allowing everyone to use this card diminishes power creep to nothing. This is no more than a staple now. Resisting Power was a staple back in set 1 for the same reasons.

Then, under this fear of a power creep, I think it'd be absolutely fine to start a petition claiming that ANY AND ALL techniques should be generic chi. Because, we wouldn't want a power creep now would we. Especially cards like 4WT. Why can't THAT be generic chi.

In fact, if you can convince me that Four Witches Technique shouldn't be generic chi, while this card SHOULD, I will shut up. But, Four Witches Technique is the largest power creeping card we have seen. From +4 being the max buff to dropping two techs for a plus 12? Seriously. 4WT should be generic under the exact same conditions you're arguing.

[the Joker0122]

It is actually more fair is everyone can use it. It doesn't force you to run a certain element to win.

Exactly. There are no broken cards thus far. We simply have cards that never shouldve been made because they instantly made a certain style better (ie. Supreme Commander Red and 4Witches tech). Until we can fully understand Set4 Fusion, we cant assume Dotc is broken. Its simply very good.

[the Joker0122]

In fact, if you can convince me that Four Witches Technique shouldn't be generic chi, while this card SHOULD, I will shut up. But, Four Witches Technique is the largest power creeping card we have seen. From +4 being the max buff to dropping two techs for a plus 12? Seriously. 4WT should be generic under the exact same conditions you're arguing.

Amen to that lol

[CaMeRoN]

I totally disagree. Four Witches technique wouldn't be more "fair" if everyone could use it. Under those cir****tances, Super Kamehameha should be 4 generic chi, any technique should be generic so that it's more "fair". DoTC is not broken because everyone can use it. It's just f**kin' stupid that everyone can use it.

I believe that what set 4 witches technique apart from all other techs was the fact that It was an unprecidented technique. There was no other type that had that powerful a technique. Every type, I believe should get their own "four witches technique". DoTC could EASILY be Aliens, there is absolutely no problem there. However, the generic chi is not only problematic, it's f**kin' retarded.

Furthermore, no technique needs generic chi to be "fair". 4WT is my point and case.

I see what your saying. I'd have no problem with DOTC costing Alien chi. Though I do believe that if it was a technique that only worked in an Alien deck then it would put Alien at the top and it would stay there for a long time. That's exactly what happened with fire in Naruto. The big reason why I think that is because other symbols don't have a card that is as versatile and as capable of fizzling. At least everyone gets a technique that has those capabilities. I believe that is a good way to introduce a technique as devastating as that since it doesn't immediately force a certain symbol to the top.

About your 4 Witches example.. Yes, 4 witches was great and we can argue till were out of breath and then some about whether or not it was broken.. I certainly don't think that 4 Witches alone was the reason Villain was so good in set 2 and 3. Yes it was a contributing factor but it certainly wasn't the only reason.

Wait wait wait, stop RIGHT there. Isn't that EXACTLY what happened with Villain? Yet you were one of the forerunners telling me that it was totally fair and the fact that everyone migrated to Villain had nothing to do with the 4WT. Which, I think we can SAFELY say is TOTALLY incorrect. Additionally, even if this tech was just two alien chi, I'd not move over to them. Because there are plenty of counters and other techniques from OTHER ELEMENTS that can be used to balance out the use of this card.

I seriously want you to tell me how the bolded statement is EXACTLY what f**king happened with Four Witches Technique for TWO godd**n sets. But, it is so....

Oh dude the reason everyone went over to Villain was because it was incredibly consistent in a tournament. 4 Witches definitely contributed towards the viability and consistency of the deck. Well.. I could go over why Villain was awesome in Set 2 and 3 turn to turn.. Wherein I would mention a plethora of cards.. One of which would definitely be 4 witches..

What a lot of competitive players do is analyze the meta and choose a deck that has a high win rate.. A lot of amateur and beginner players do this as well as it increases their win rate without them having to increase their skill level.. Liek me personally.. I don't migrate from symbol to symbol based on what wins more.. I'm a villain player.. I have been since set 1.. Liek set 1 villain sucked major balls.. But I still played it ^.^ Pilaf + 17 ftw! But that's just the reality of things.. I tmight be human nature.. I'm not a sociologist but I guess i pretend to be.. lol..

if you really want me to describe why villain was so great in sets 2 and 3.. I can do it for you.. just say the word.. I'll break it down turn for turn ^.^

Then, under this fear of a power creep, I think it'd be absolutely fine to start a petition claiming that ANY AND ALL techniques should be generic chi. Because, we wouldn't want a power creep now would we. Especially cards like 4WT. Why can't THAT be generic chi.

In fact, if you can convince me that Four Witches Technique shouldn't be generic chi, while this card SHOULD, I will shut up. But, Four Witches Technique is the largest power creeping card we have seen. From +4 being the max buff to dropping two techs for a plus 12? Seriously. 4WT should be generic under the exact same conditions you're arguing.

lol well dude.. The reason why 4 witches can't be generic chi is because other symbols combo insanely well with it.. A lot of the basis for duals was to combo with 4 witches.. It'd be way too easy to combo if it was generic chi.. Liek really.. There are so many cards that increase your support value.. Villain is a symbol that has 0 cards (other than 4 witches) that increase your support value.. Yah.. Off the top of my head, I'll list some cards it combos well with;

- Evil Wave Explosion
- East Kai

Liek yeah man 4 witches is a really good card.. but to make a 12 or 16 i'd have to draw multiple copies of it.. That's super hard to do.. BUT! If you combine 4 Witches with the card above then you give the card more targets and increase the odds of pulling the combo off..

[Makeshift Ghost]

Villian is for noobs, no joke.
I played with my Villian deck and destroyed people. That is why I gave it to my little bro to use so he can get some wins. I play Super, because it reminds me of Saiyan style in Old Z. It is also 1 step awy from being Tier 1, now with DOTC and some other good splash cards, I know for a fact that my Super deck can really beat a lot of decks, the only one that I would have trouble with is Unique (Evil Tribe) or Unique/X decks. Why, cause of a very good card called expanding vibrations and also the new Piccolo tech., which is really good.
Now 4 withes, not broken. game changing yea, but not broken. It should be base support, but hey I didn't create the game. SCR really good card, not broken.
DOTC, great card but can be countered by expanding Vibratons, Roar, ECTW, etc.
The cards are made for a reaon, the play testers do a good job at making this game balanced. I really think Super Buu is good, because of his effect, now does he need thrash (yea!) but plunder really is not a bad late game effect. Cause if your opponet doesn't have any DBs, he can't use Hell Flash, Super Kamehameha, Psylock Smasher, ECTW, etc. Also Final Flash is good cause it is a great counter to DB techs/powers, if it connects, goodbye DB and the tech/power he/she wanted to use.

[teengohan373]

Villian is for noobs, no joke.
I played with my Villian deck and destroyed people. That is why I gave it to my little bro to use so he can get some wins. I play Super, because it reminds me of Saiyan style in Old Z. It is also 1 step awy from being Tier 1, now with DOTC and some other good splash cards, I know for a fact that my Super deck can really beat a lot of decks, the only one that I would have trouble with is Unique (Evil Tribe) or Unique/X decks. Why, cause of a very good card called expanding vibrations and also the new Piccolo tech., which is really good.
Now 4 withes, not broken. game changing yea, but not broken. It should be base support, but hey I didn't create the game. SCR really good card, not broken.
DOTC, great card but can be countered by expanding Vibratons, Roar, ECTW, etc.
The cards are made for a reaon, the play testers do a good job at making this game balanced. I really think Super Buu is good, because of his effect, now does he need thrash (yea!) but plunder really is not a bad late game effect. Cause if your opponet doesn't have any DBs, he can't use Hell Flash, Super Kamehameha, Psylock Smasher, ECTW, etc. Also Final Flash is good cause it is a great counter to DB techs/powers, if it connects, goodbye DB and the tech/power he/she wanted to use.

it is. i would no. im running it. yes, im a n00b, cause im just starting. but i just want to make a vegeto/gogeta deck. im waitin for non super vegetas to come out. then i'll be happy. in fact, don't the ones from the starter deck come as apart of a cetain tourny kit? if so, im happy now.

[Makeshift Ghost]

:Dit is. i would no. im running it. yes, im a n00b, cause im just starting. but i just want to make a vegeto/gogeta deck. im waitin for non super vegetas to come out. then i'll be happy. in fact, don't the ones from the starter deck come as apart of a cetain tourny kit? if so, im happy now.

Hey bro Texan07 said that Vegeta probably won't be Super anytime soon, because he is one of the big hitters in Alien. But dude don't worry about being a noob, we all were at sometime, I know I was, had nothing but high cost cards in my deck when I first started playing,lol.
But really Villian is for begginners and people that can't use other styles,lol. I kid I kid.:p
But seriously Villian=noob:)

[teengohan373]

:D

Hey bro Texan07 said that Vegeta probably won't be Super anytime soon, because he is one of the big hitters in Alien. But dude don't worry about being a noob, we all were at sometime, I know I was, had nothing but high cost cards in my deck when I first started playing,lol.
But really Villian is for begginners and people that can't use other styles,lol. I kid I kid.:p
But seriously Villian=noob:)

im takin super rare. but thanx for the motivation.

[CaMeRoN]

Next set it will be very difficult to build a deck that consistently wins with villain.. The way Villain is built and run has changed.. It's not as straight forward as it was in Sets 2 and 3.. So next set Villain is not for noobs..

[SS4 Gogeta28]

:D

Hey bro Texan07 said that Vegeta probably won't be Super anytime soon, because he is one of the big hitters in Alien. But dude don't worry about being a noob, we all were at sometime, I know I was, had nothing but high cost cards in my deck when I first started playing,lol.
But really Villian is for begginners and people that can't use other styles,lol. I kid I kid.:p
But seriously Villian=noob:)

inever knew viilain was for noobs. well that explains it. im playing alien/villain.

[Makeshift Ghost]

Next set it will be very difficult to build a deck that consistently wins with villain.. The way Villain is built and run has changed.. It's not as straight forward as it was in Sets 2 and 3.. So next set Villain is not for noobs..

Okay have SCR give +1/+1 to almost every andriod warrior. It is a very easy deck to run, you can only go really 1 way, RR Deck or Dual with Unique.

[theyellowdart]

i never knew viilain was for noobs. well that explains it. im playing alien/villain.

lol. and super/earth is for people like me who complain about how mono super isn't good enough. :) so i just add earth to it, and its better.

[CaMeRoN]

Okay have SCR give +1/+1 to almost every andriod warrior. It is a very easy deck to run, you can only go really 1 way, RR Deck or Dual with Unique.

Yep that's the recipe for every villain deck in existence. Good job on divulging it. I'm glad we have you here to tell us that. Your obviously not a good villain player because you don't realize what I am talking about. I'm not going to humor you by continuing this discussion. Calling one deck a noob deck is very disrespectful to the people running it. Hope you think about that in the future before you label a deck and players as such.

[gamerpaul]

Yep that's the recipe for every villain deck in existence. Good job on divulging it. I'm glad we have you here to tell us that. Your obviously not a good villain player because you don't realize what I am talking about. I'm not going to humor you by continuing this discussion. Calling one deck a noob deck is very disrespectful to the people running it. Hope you think about that in the future before you label a deck and players as such.

Ya I can't stand when people do this they label the best deck as being easy to run and play something not as good and blame their losing on the fact that their opponent was playing an easy to play overpowered deck. I heard this all the time in yugioh last format when in truth mirror matches with the best deck required a lot of skill.