Turn 1 Yamcha and Ranfan

[Trunks the Swordsman]

I'd have liked to make separate threads for them but seeing how my Piano thread went I thought I'd get more responses here.

So these two have been pretty good cards in the past. I'm wondering about their playability in the future. So I'd like your opinions.

I've seen a lot of Turn 0s with 2 Support, they seem to be in Symbols that work with Super too. Playing those as Turn 0s basically means your opponent gets a Planet Damage on you if they got their 3/0. If you follow up with Yamcha, even if they get a 5 they can't stop you until later or unless they waste resources to injure Yamcha. So I see that as good use but the fact that Yamcha's Turn 1 takes away one of your slots for a Supporter on that turn. It depends on the deck of course but it's making a big impact on if I want to keep using him since he clashes with my Support.

Ranfan was never really a main deck kind of card. She was sometimes back then but I haven't seen her in recent Earth builds. She kills Red's bonus on one guy (6 Red Ribbon human males right now) and if you got your 3/0 it's basically a team of 6 if your opponent's playing humans. I also like how she doesn't injure into 0/0 which is great. She seems like a good card to me at least in the side deck since Alien and Unique are still good.

I don't quite remember everything from the new set so I don't know if anything has outclassed these two.

Thoughts? Appreciate it.

[LordxMugen]

ranfan died when it was errata'd to defender action (youll see this effect on newer prints of warriors return) so only being able to do it in one particular step hurt the card quite a bit. a -1/-1 could still be useful.....if villain wasnt nigh impervious to such an ability. however Krillin's -1/-1 ability is a different story cause you use it in conjunction with a reinforce tech which in many regular cases puts you over the top.

however a card like T1 Yamcha will NEVER go out of style....unless thes a T1 5/0. true, saibaman owns him, but it doesnt matter because he forms a solid base for a rush deck. hell, with the new T0 2 support characters, thats a solid 6 for T1, very awesome indeed. right now, Set 4 is looking like a dream set for rush and movement/adventure control, so i imagine he'll be just as playable, if not more so in earth/super rush or super/alien.

bottom line. Ranfan probably will never see play again, but yamcha will still be a strong T1 play until we see some kind of second coming in T1 characters.

[Trunks the Swordsman]

Good to see Yamcha's still good in someone's eyes.

Didn't know that about Ranfan. Now I see why...

[Ninja Pebble]

Yamcha was always good to me. And LordxMugen can you show proof of that about Ranfan? I never heard that and do not see it in errata's.

[LordxMugen]

Yamcha was always good to me. And LordxMugen can you show proof of that about Ranfan? I never heard that and do not see it in errata's. are you saying you want me to break out scans of it? maybe in the morning i will. the cards in my collections book right now, its just thats its 3 A.M. here right now so you can see how i dont feel like it.

[Ninja Pebble]

are you saying you want me to break out scans of it? maybe in the morning i will. the cards in my collections book right now, its just thats its 3 A.M. here right now so you can see how i dont feel like it.
Were u here ever since the start of the game? If you were I think you would know why Ranfan is not defender action.

[LordxMugen]

Were u here ever since the start of the game? If you were I think you would know why Ranfan is not defender action.

yes, i have, and i know why you think that. and as i said before, ill show you the errata'd ranfan in the morning, maybe 10 or 11ish. its nothing special, they just changed her effect to a crappier turn phase.

[Ninja Pebble]

So then you know that Ranfan at first was going to get defender action, but got changed to have no timing. But there was a mistake and all the starter deck Ranfan's were printed with the old effect that is not valid anymore since the new versions of her don't have defender action. I know what Ranfan your talking about I have like 6 of her and she was only in the Goku starter decks. Look at the card list picture of her, no defender action. Bandai would have at the very least put it in the "Errata Forum."

And for the reason why she will not see much main play is cuz there is much more better turn 1 earth 2 supports now.

[LordxMugen]

actually i have the pack one of the defender/action effects. and if what you say is true it doesnt really change much. shes a dead card that aint comin back.

[Ninja Pebble]

actually i have the pack one of the defender/action effects. and if what you say is true it doesnt really change much. shes a dead card that aint comin back.

Ya shes side bored at best if your playing against Earth or Villain, but still not that grate.

[Trunks the Swordsman]

That's what I thought. I've been playing since The Warriors Return so I thought it was odd for her to have a change for the worse. So she was still as good as I thought she was which doesn't mean much. I agree there are better choices at the moment. I don't think there will be a big bunch of new Human+Male Warriors that will make her useful again anytime soon.

[Ninja Pebble]

That's what I thought. I've been playing since The Warriors Return so I thought it was odd for her to have a change for the worse. So she was still as good as I thought she was which doesn't mean much. I agree there are better choices at the moment. I don't think there will be a big bunch of new Human+Male Warriors that will make her useful again anytime soon.

She was good and had her time in like the first 2 sets.:)

[CaMeRoN]

I think both cards are great..

Ranfan is a nice side deck splash.. I would venture to run 1 in a mono earth.. -1/-1 on turn 1 is a great way to win a victory.. Zoonama kind of crushes her but if you are playing a Super or Earth or Villain deck then you will most likely face a lot of human male warriors..

Yamcha is very good.. Not sure if I'd play him since Zoonama is so much better.. But he shouldn't be underestimated ^.^

[swordmaster]

Ranfan is basically gone. Especially with this set, cards like Bora blow her out of the water. Earths power creep on turn 1 and 2 warriors has exploded. there is a huge list of earth warriors I would run before her now.

Yamcha is a different story but I have been trying to work him into a non rush deck, but there is an issue. Basically there is no warrior with 2 support on turn 0 that can block for you and still retain his support. This is bad because with a turn 1 - 5 team power being so easily made, you almost require warrior that can block that will not be oved. None of them heal themselves, and all of them injure to 0 support. 1 support does not help yamcha since he himself injures to a 0/0. The best I can come up with is General White, plunder helps a lot to make up for his giving up 2 PD turn 1. Dende is not a bad option either though with either option basically if they drop General blue turn 2 your looking at having 5 PD and 6 DB and its only turn 2. Not good.

[theyellowdart]

t1 yamcha is good if you drop him on turn 1. generally, though a 2/2 turn 1 is more valuable than a 3/1 turn 1. especially if you hit a 3/0 guy on turn 0.