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zbunn24
01-19-2009, 10:28 AM
Should have had this one around a month or two ago...
Regardless, this article was a great read. I enjoy Zero's candid and honest approach to reviewing the various archetypes and cards given to us in this set. For those of you interested in reading his take on The Awakening, go:
Here (http://dragonball.teamcovenant.com/?p=165)
Thoughts? Disagree? Agree?
Zach
majingogeta344
01-19-2009, 10:33 AM
Should have had this one around a month or two ago...
Regardless, this article was a great read. I enjoy Zero's candid and honest approach to reviewing the various archetypes and cards given to us in this set. For those of you interested in reading his take on The Awakening, go:
Here (http://dragonball.teamcovenant.com/?p=165)
Thoughts? Disagree? Agree?
Zach
It was a good read, even though the sets been out for a while :). Are you going to do anymore of those contests that have to do with a situation where you only have certain cards?
I agree with what he's said, however, I wish that talking about Awakening would've included all of The Awakening set. To talk about two types just doesn't seem to capture the entire purpose in the set, in my opinion.
For example, you can discuss how cards like Lone Wolf and chi-chi have raised the bar for Earth, and can be expected to be seen next set.
Or, how about how Alien continues to exude a power-house standing, relying on damaging techniques, control, and seeing small support and no buffs?
Or Super's release of SSJ Gohan, showing even further how Super can work as a group to make a giant team.
Those, of course, are just examples, a start of a paragraph or two that could have fully captured what the Awakening entailed.
CaMeRoN
01-19-2009, 10:49 AM
The article seems a little late. That article was forshadowing set 2. It wasn't a wrap-up. o.O Good nonetheless :)
zbunn24
01-19-2009, 11:41 AM
I agree with what he's said, however, I wish that talking about Awakening would've included all of The Awakening set. To talk about two types just doesn't seem to capture the entire purpose in the set, in my opinion.
For example, you can discuss how cards like Lone Wolf and chi-chi have raised the bar for Earth, and can be expected to be seen next set.
Or, how about how Alien continues to exude a power-house standing, relying on damaging techniques, control, and seeing small support and no buffs?
Or Super's release of SSJ Gohan, showing even further how Super can work as a group to make a giant team.
Those, of course, are just examples, a start of a paragraph or two that could have fully captured what the Awakening entailed.
Would you be interested in writing a complimentary article? Sounds like an interesting read... :)
*majingogeta344: Yeah, Team Covenant is planning on beginning that within the next 1-2 weeks.
Zach
theyellowdart
01-19-2009, 11:57 AM
i liked it. like others have said, there could have been a few minor additions. but it was a good read overall.
swordmaster
01-19-2009, 12:09 PM
the only cards i had a problem with from this are: Spice boys, none are male they should have been and none had 2 support. As a matter of fact no unique has 2 support prior to turn 3. Earth never got a turn 5 + they fixed that in DF but still. unique needed a good turn 0, not dende and guru. four witches is still broken. Other than that the set was really amazing.
Just pointing out, I wrote this article in November. It didnt get published until now for w/e reason.
The reason I didnt talk about super or alien, is because those were the teir 1 decks last set. This article was about the changes set 2 brought about in underplayed elements.
As for earth, In set 2 earth merely got Shien and lone wolf (Chichi doesn't count, as she can go into any old deck and provide the same service) and that wasnt enough to make earth a viable decktype so nothing there really "changed".
Just pointing out, I wrote this article in November. It didnt get published until now for w/e reason.
The reason I didnt talk about super or alien, is because those were the teir 1 decks last set. This article was about the changes set 2 brought about in underplayed elements.
As for earth, In set 2 earth merely got Shien and lone wolf (Chichi doesn't count, as she can go into any old deck and provide the same service) and that wasn't enough to make earth a viable deck-type so nothing there really "changed".
I wasn't trying to bash your article, as I said, I enjoyed the read, and agreed on pretty much every point you made. However, I was just saying that decks like Super, it DID effect. They went FROM tier 1 to Tier 2, and I feel that that was an important point that could/should have been pointed out. Same with Alien, in my humble opinion. I feel that it was this seemingly increase in the weaker decks that showed the weaknesses of Alien and Super, many of which have not even been repaired in the up and coming set 3. The Awakening did more than just make Villain and Unique even with Alien and Super, it took them beyond their level. SS Vegeta and Gohan just weren't enough to compete with cards like 2nd Form Cell and a strongly structured Evil Tribe deck. That's all I was pointing out, is that there were so many changes and sadly only a few were touched on.
However, knowing that you wrote this in November does make a large difference, since the set had only been out for a month or so, so no one knew what ramifications these increases were REALLY going to have on the playability of other types.
I wasn't trying to bash your article, as I said, I enjoyed the read, and agreed on pretty much every point you made. However, I was just saying that decks like Super, it DID effect. They went FROM tier 1 to Tier 2, and I feel that that was an important point that could/should have been pointed out.
... For real? You do understand these are articles for an online store trying to sell product, right? Attitude is everything. Writing "Super and Alien got shafted in comparison to Villain and Unique" Doesn't actually promote sales on the set in anyway, and its not a very elegant statement either. The idea is to pump people up for the set and get their creative juices flowing, why do I want to tell them "Hey, that deck you want to play is no longer on par with deck X" thats just a let down, and could potentially persuade someone to not buy into the new set.
It's pretty bad that I have to justify why my article didn't include the negative impact the set had on popular deck types, but w/e.
DBZFan
01-19-2009, 06:09 PM
Good review.
However, from a player standpoint, i will say, the awakening did more hurt to me than help. Unfortunately, i played mono super, and i got killed. SS gohan was not the card i was looking for to lead super to the promise land.
soviet prince
01-19-2009, 06:11 PM
great job zero maybe you can write a few articles for ttg :D
the Joker0122
01-19-2009, 06:18 PM
Good review.
However, from a player standpoint, i will say, the awakening did more hurt to me than help. Unfortunately, i played mono super, and i got killed. SS gohan was not the card i was looking for to lead super to the promise land.
See when I saw SS Gohan previewed for the Awakening I didnt want him to be a lead, I wanted him backing up SS Goku. I would use him as a lead to purposely get him injured to heal him and now get a +5 to support. I was disappointed on the technique side... I expected them to get at least another pump or something that could help injure a warrior. Something other than Kamehameha.
zbunn24
01-19-2009, 06:47 PM
I feel like the 'hurt' on the game from the set is being looked at wrong. Sure, mono-Super may have gone down a notch or two, but isn't that really just balance? In the end, a card game ought to be fairly balanced giving each 'type' a fair chance at being good. This, in turn increases sales of product therefore keeping the game around
Zach
DBZFan
01-19-2009, 06:47 PM
See when I saw SS Gohan previewed for the Awakening I didnt want him to be a lead, I wanted him backing up SS Goku. I would use him as a lead to purposely get him injured to heal him and now get a +5 to support. I was disappointed on the technique side... I expected them to get at least another pump or something that could help injure a warrior. Something other than Kamehameha.
But then agian, kamehameha can be brutle. it can injur a king piccolo, taking off 3 power right then and there. add a janken goo, and you could just OV them and kill off the king
the Joker0122
01-19-2009, 06:52 PM
I feel like the 'hurt' on the game from the set is being looked at wrong. Sure, mono-Super may have gone down a notch or two, but isn't that really just balance? In the end, a card game ought to be fairly balanced giving each 'type' a fair chance at being good. This, in turn increases sales of product therefore keeping the game around
Zach
Well lets try and put it in perspective this way:
Super - got alittle better with Trunks and SS Gohan
Unique - got alot with new techs and Lord Slug
Alien - got a big boost from SS Vegeta
Earth - isnt going anywhere... yet
Villain - clearly favored through the first two sets, it has received the warriors, the techs and the events to make it the top meta deck as it currently stands.
This will all change with set 3
the Joker0122
01-19-2009, 06:53 PM
But then agian, kamehameha can be brutle. it can injur a king piccolo, taking off 3 power right then and there. add a janken goo, and you could just OV them and kill off the king
This is very true, but unique has the pumps and Im pretty sure someone wont play it safe bringing out KPs team without having a pump tech lol
But then agian, kamehameha can be brutle. it can injur a king piccolo, taking off 3 power right then and there. add a janken goo, and you could just OV them and kill off the king
Well, King Piccolo is actually a 1 support, so you only lose 2 power. Additionally, with cards like Evil Force Organized!, it probably won't matter what you use, your opponent will most likely EFO for that two support (or more) right back. On top of that, I go by the argument that if you assume you have a pump, I can do the same. And my pump gives me +3 ^^
Well lets try and put it in perspective this way:
Super - got alittle better with Trunks and SS Gohan
Unique - got alot with new techs and Lord Slug
Alien - got a big boost from SS Vegeta
Earth - isnt going anywhere... yet
Villain - clearly favored through the first two sets, it has received the warriors, the techs and the events to make it the top meta deck as it currently stands.
This will all change with set 3
I agree about what boosts you've discussed from the Awakening. I disagree on the Villain discussion. Simply put, Villain will be destroyed by a Stomp down no question asked. Their opening is just too slow to keep up with that. The reason it's not happened much this set, or been discussed, is everyone walked away from the "#1" deck (that being stompdown) at the start of this set. I imagine we'll see that again. Neither of those decks have merited being the "top tier" deck of their release, but have been labeled as such. It's almost funny. Last set, everyone had a problem defending against the rush, now, everyone has the problem of RUNNING the rush. Ironic, really.
I agree however, Villain did get the largest boost this set, but I also feel they NEEDED the largest boost. And I think that came with their awesome techniques and RRA group. This boosted them up a lot. Once Alien (not IF, WHEN) gets these techs (buffs), some good support warriors (like the Androids 19 and 20 have been to Villain), and a version of SCR, we'll see their ability sky rocket.
And I'd like to point out how many Alien cards have Frieza family. Think about it ^^
DBZFan
01-19-2009, 08:29 PM
Well, King Piccolo is actually a 1 support, so you only lose 2 power. Additionally, with cards like Evil Force Organized!, it probably won't matter what you use, your opponent will most likely EFO for that two support (or more) right back. On top of that, I go by the argument that if you assume you have a pump, I can do the same. And my pump gives me +3 ^^
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I thought that King piccolo gave ever other evil tribe a boosty, not himself :confused:
soviet prince
01-19-2009, 08:56 PM
I thought that King piccolo gave ever other evil tribe a boosty, not himself :confused:
kp does not boost himeself
DBZFan
01-19-2009, 08:57 PM
kp does not boost himeself
Then why did Snow say u only lose 2 off of team power when he is injured?
soviet prince
01-19-2009, 08:58 PM
Then why did Snow say u only lose 2 off of team power when he is injured?
have no idea :p, snow is human he can make mistakes
DBZFan
01-19-2009, 09:00 PM
have no idea :p, snow is human he can make mistakes
I thought he was a elitest:D:D
soviet prince
01-19-2009, 09:00 PM
elitist are not human???
DBZFan
01-19-2009, 09:03 PM
No, Snow is a crystallized form of water
soviet prince
01-19-2009, 09:04 PM
your a funny one arent you :p
DBZFan
01-19-2009, 09:05 PM
your a funny one arent you :p
U bet. Pay attention in ur chemistry classes :p:D:cool:
soviet prince
01-19-2009, 09:08 PM
well I hate a form of science, I dont care how a lightbulb works as long as it does :p
anyway set 2 brought a lot of support to the db ccg as does set 3.(attempt to stay on topic :D)
I thought that King Piccolo had 1 support injured for some reason. My bad lol.
swordmaster
01-20-2009, 05:33 AM
well I hate a form of science, I dont care how a lightbulb works as long as it does :p
anyway set 2 brought a lot of support to the db ccg as does set 3.(attempt to stay on topic :D)
yeah you wont be saying that when Zombies attack!!
Would you be interested in writing a complimentary article? Sounds like an interesting read... :)
Zach
I've gone ahead and written my response to his article. You can go here to read it ^^ (http://dragonballradio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=107&start=0&sid=84d2cc3563f7a450848252f6cd985484)
theyellowdart
01-20-2009, 01:10 PM
i liked the theme about how awakening was about laying groundwork for future sets. :)
DNaraku
01-20-2009, 05:40 PM
I've gone ahead and written my response to his article. You can go here to read it ^^ (http://dragonballradio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=107&start=0&sid=84d2cc3563f7a450848252f6cd985484)
Dude, did you REALLY just write a continuation of someone elses article? That's a pretty dick move.
Can it really be that hard for you to write your own?
majingogeta344
01-20-2009, 05:43 PM
Dude, did you REALLY just write a continuation of someone elses article? That's a pretty dick move.
Can it really be that hard for you to write your own?
He's just saying that it would be better if it included this part. I don't see a problem with it. It's not like he is winning anything for it.
Tactless as ever, eh snow?
He's just saying that it would be better if it included this part. I don't see a problem with it. It's not like he is winning anything for it.
I'm glad you have no problem with it, but the bottom line here is that it's rude, and completely disrespectful.
majingogeta344
01-20-2009, 06:01 PM
Tactless as ever, eh snow?
I'm glad you have no problem with it, but the bottom line here is that it's rude, and completely disrespectful.
How? It's a complimentary article. There are thousands of articles on the internet that are people's additions, or thoughts on, others articles.
BTW: I'm pretty sure Snow didn't write this to make you mad or to get a leg up on you.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Snow View Post
I agree with what he's said, however, I wish that talking about Awakening would've included all of The Awakening set. To talk about two types just doesn't seem to capture the entire purpose in the set, in my opinion.
For example, you can discuss how cards like Lone Wolf and chi-chi have raised the bar for Earth, and can be expected to be seen next set.
Or, how about how Alien continues to exude a power-house standing, relying on damaging techniques, control, and seeing small support and no buffs?
Or Super's release of SSJ Gohan, showing even further how Super can work as a group to make a giant team.
Those, of course, are just examples, a start of a paragraph or two that could have fully captured what the Awakening entailed.
Would you be interested in writing a complimentary article? Sounds like an interesting read...
*majingogeta344: Yeah, Team Covenant is planning on beginning that within the next 1-2 weeks.
Zach"
Soooo if you look at page ONE, I didn't do this to spite ANYONE. You're Team Covenant ASKED me to write a complimentary article. Why the heck would you jump down my throat when all I did was write the article I was REQUESTED to write? Next time, read what was asked of me before you assume I was being a jerk. I didn't do anything wrong, and you owe me an apology.
Seriously, I even LINKED THE REQUEST BY TEAM COVENANT IN MY ORIGINAL POST. Jerkoffs.
Why the heck would you jump down my throat when all I did was write the article I was REQUESTED to write?
Jump down your throat? I called you tactless, similarly to how you are acting now. If anyone is jumping down people's throat, its probably the guy spamming me with rude comments and making accusations on skype (That would be you)
Next time, read what was asked of me before you assume I was being a jerk. I didn't do anything wrong, and you owe me an apology.
I'm not assuming anything. You wrote a continuation to my article, because:
If there hadn't been holes in your article, I wouldn't have had to discuss 3 other elements
That doesn't make you out to be a jerk or anything, right? Seriously if you think I have ANY intention of apologizing to you for anything you are insane :\
Seriously, I even LINKED THE REQUEST BY TEAM COVENANT IN MY ORIGINAL POST. Jerkoffs.
Congratulations, you can link? Also throwing names around doesn't get you brownie points.
soviet prince
01-20-2009, 09:48 PM
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CaMeRoN
01-20-2009, 09:48 PM
If Snow wnated to avoid being tactless then he should have asked Zero if he could write a complimentary article. Sure Team Covenant asked but they only have exclusive publishing writes to the article. The articles creative rights all belong to Zero.
Whether writing the article or not was wrong all lies in Zero's court. If he was offended by it then it shouldn't have been written. It's kind of like outdoing someone behind their back. Like if I was playing a guitar solo in a concert then my other band member chimed in (unnanounced) with another solo and completely showed me up.. I'd be pretty mad.. That's kind of what it looks like to me.. Not that Snows article was better than Zero's or vice-versa.. but it kind of looks like thats what Snow was trying to do here..
For the record the dictionary describes tact as;
Tact: keen sense of what to say or do to avoid giving offense; skill in dealing with difficult or delicate situations
So being tactless means you are without the above.. Which is very true..
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Lol. I seriously laughed at this.
If Snow wanted to avoid being tactless then he should have asked Zero if he could write a complimentary article. Sure Team Covenant asked but they only have exclusive publishing writes to the article. The articles creative rights all belong to Zero.
Whether writing the article or not was wrong all lies in Zero's court. If he was offended by it then it shouldn't have been written. It's kind of like outdoing someone behind their back. Like if I was playing a guitar solo in a concert then my other band member chimed in (unnanounced) with another solo and completely showed me up.. I'd be pretty mad.. That's kind of what it looks like to me.. Not that Snows article was better than Zero's or vice-versa.. but it kind of looks like thats what Snow was trying to do here..
For the record the dictionary describes tact as;
Tact: keen sense of what to say or do to avoid giving offense; skill in dealing with difficult or delicate situations
So being tactless means you are without the above.. Which is very true..
Lol. Okay. I'm sorry. I should've asked permission to give my opinion of what the Awakening set entailed. However could I have been so misled? I'll make sure to run all the posts and topics I want to talk about past you from now on.
And Cam, get over it lol. You took previews off of Table Top Gaming for a month, without permission, and yet I did something wrong? Bite me.
CaMeRoN
01-21-2009, 01:49 PM
Leave me out of this man. I have nothing to do with this. Being spiteful isn't cool.
If Snow wnated to avoid being tactless then he should have asked Zero if he could write a complimentary article. Sure Team Covenant asked but they only have exclusive publishing writes to the article. The articles creative rights all belong to Zero.
Whether writing the article or not was wrong all lies in Zero's court. If he was offended by it then it shouldn't have been written. It's kind of like outdoing someone behind their back. Like if I was playing a guitar solo in a concert then my other band member chimed in (unnanounced) with another solo and completely showed me up.. I'd be pretty mad.. That's kind of what it looks like to me.. Not that Snows article was better than Zero's or vice-versa.. but it kind of looks like thats what Snow was trying to do here..
For the record the dictionary describes tact as;
Tact: keen sense of what to say or do to avoid giving offense; skill in dealing with difficult or delicate situations
So being tactless means you are without the above.. Which is very true..
Leave you out of this? Looks like you decided to jump in on this of your own accord.
CaMeRoN
01-21-2009, 02:59 PM
Please refrain from attacking me personally any further.
I didn't attack you. I just pointed the simple truth. You decided to get ****ed because I called you out. Grow up.
Rastas4Jesus09
01-21-2009, 03:30 PM
fighting on the internet is like the special olympics, regardless of whether you win or lose, you are still retarded
but really everyone should just try to take it down a notch, this is just a card game forum
fighting on the internet is like the special olympics, regardless of whether you win or lose, you are still retarded
but really everyone should just try to take it down a notch, this is just a card game forum
Agreed. Like not getting ****ed when someone writes an article. I was just talking about cards, not about anyone's mom.
Mr. Shine
01-21-2009, 09:00 PM
closing thread.......
Dont need to say more...
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