View Full Version : frieza full power vs vegeta ss
Bibbo
10-10-2008, 12:47 PM
Vegeta is better because he requires nothing else to play him.
cooler
10-10-2008, 12:51 PM
wich do you think is better or is it reall possible to run them together in the same deck? seeing as how they both cost 2 chi and have there on techs
scubadude
10-10-2008, 12:54 PM
I still like FF frieza over 100 % but it might change through testing who knows but I think SS vegeta is my favorite character thus far and def better then 100% frieza.
cooler
10-10-2008, 01:03 PM
true but how often do you think the will see play in the same deck? i like them both the same but frieza has better moves than vegeta what i am geting at is aall around stats and techs and effects as well but i'm not sure on how often we will see them in the same deck i mean vegeta ss backed by frieza full power:eek: i dont see it hapeing to much do you?
Vegito
10-10-2008, 01:13 PM
It definately goes to FP. how come he can get great stats and an effect and gohan cant!??:mad:
soviet prince
10-10-2008, 01:17 PM
it depends on what deck type you choose. the good thing about this set is it opens a lot of deck type you can choose from
Piccolo'sDad
10-10-2008, 01:57 PM
It definately goes to FP. how come he can get great stats and an effect and gohan cant!??:mad:
Because Gohan costs 2 Chi, and FP Freiza requires you to go Third Form (and 1 chi), Final Form, FP Form.
So, Gohan is -1 hand -2 chi, and requires one card (himself) to get into play.
Frieza is -2 hand +0 chi, but requires three cards to pull off.
I believe it is way too technical to honestly believe that you can get FP Frieza out every match. I'd say SS Vegeta, simply because of the consistency of getting him out into the field is much simpler than getting a FP Frieza. Without a wish you can't get FP Frieza out until turn 8, and I frankly think that at that point you'll either be winning or losing and will know the flow of the game enough that he wouldn't make a difference. Plus, he can easily be reoved with a Spirit bomb OR Death ball, AND he can't use death ball. I'd prefer to build a deck around FF Frieza and SS Vegeta than any other combination. If they'd named FP Frieza FF Frieza it would've been totally different, but the fact that you have to evolve twice now means he's a dead card. Even though a wish can bypass his requirements to get him out, are you really going to waste space putting him in to wish on him, when you can just toss Vegeta in there instead?
Because Gohan costs 2 Chi, and FP Freiza requires you to go Third Form (and 1 chi), Final Form, FP Form.
So, Gohan is -1 hand -2 chi, and requires one card (himself) to get into play.
Frieza is -2 hand +0 chi, but requires three cards to pull off.
FP Frieza ALSO requires 2 Chi to play. And since he is NOT evolution, you still have to pay the chi.
cooler
10-10-2008, 02:25 PM
FP Frieza ALSO requires 2 Chi to play. And since he is NOT evolution, you still have to pay the chi.
well i'm woundering on that because you have to send final form to the chi so its like an evo effect
I disagree. They knew that final form was going to come out, they simply could have given the effect to him like they did with Garlic Jr. I honestly think it requires two chi to deploy him. Also, take into account that all other forms ALL cost only one chi, including FF, yet FP costs two. I think that argues that you have to pay that cost.
wich do you think is better or is it reall possible to run them together in the same deck? seeing as how they both cost 2 chi and have there on techs
Let's see, your going to have to wish FF to get into 100%.
OR
Run 3rd Form's, FF's, AND 100%'s.
Let's compare that to running SS Vegeta who's just "Pay the Chi, drop me" and deals damage. I'm thinking SS Vegeta wins against the 100% arguement...
majingogeta344
10-10-2008, 03:34 PM
Let's see, your going to have to wish FF to get into 100%.
OR
Run 3rd Form's, FF's, AND 100%'s.
Let's compare that to running SS Vegeta who's just "Pay the Chi, drop me" and deals damage. I'm thinking SS Vegeta wins against the 100% arguement...
Why? Vegeta is only going to help you get rid of chumpers, while FF can win you the game.
Not saying that SS isn't good, just not as great as you say.
The Red Beast
10-10-2008, 03:34 PM
um i would say that frieza will see little play compared to ss vegeta. but i like both:D
Why? Vegeta is only going to help you get rid of chumpers, while FF can win you the game.
Not saying that SS isn't good, just not as great as you say.
Last time I checked, not every one of the warriors in my opponent's team are T3 and higher. I can still kill their lower support warriors that are used for support (Baba for example). He's also easy to play, and if your not going for rush and can build around or with some form of FF tech, he's not a bad choice.
Rush or Frieza will probobly stick to original SR Vegeta, than for people without FF stuff or just trying him out might like him. (Not a bad choice for Super/Alien late-game and etc.)
If your going to say 100% is a better card, I won't disagree. If your going to go into full depth regarding things such as playability, SS Vegeta would win in a heartbeat.
Broly
10-10-2008, 04:31 PM
It definately goes to FP. how come he can get great stats and an effect and gohan cant!??:mad:
lmao noob its bc frieza has to be evolved twice
majingogeta344
10-10-2008, 06:30 PM
Last time I checked, not every one of the warriors in my opponent's team are T3 and higher. I can still kill their lower support warriors that are used for support (Baba for example). He's also easy to play, and if your not going for rush and can build around or with some form of FF tech, he's not a bad choice.
Rush or Frieza will probobly stick to original SR Vegeta, than for people without FF stuff or just trying him out might like him. (Not a bad choice for Super/Alien late-game and etc.)
If your going to say 100% is a better card, I won't disagree. If your going to go into full depth regarding things such as playability, SS Vegeta would win in a heartbeat.
Most deck can and will make a team with 4 or higher. It's not that hard.
soviet prince
10-10-2008, 08:14 PM
I believe it is way too technical to honestly believe that you can get FP Frieza out every match. I'd say SS Vegeta, simply because of the consistency of getting him out into the field is much simpler than getting a FP Frieza. Without a wish you can't get FP Frieza out until turn 8, and I frankly think that at that point you'll either be winning or losing and will know the flow of the game enough that he wouldn't make a difference. Plus, he can easily be reoved with a Spirit bomb OR Death ball, AND he can't use death ball. I'd prefer to build a deck around FF Frieza and SS Vegeta than any other combination. If they'd named FP Frieza FF Frieza it would've been totally different, but the fact that you have to evolve twice now means he's a dead card. Even though a wish can bypass his requirements to get him out, are you really going to waste space putting him in to wish on him, when you can just toss Vegeta in there instead?
FP frieza can not be wished in play
FP is pretty trashy. No joke. SS vegeta, as a T6 is slow, but makes up for it by having an effect that screams board advantage. shooting guys that could potentialy chump you until your opponent can get back into the game/you deck is awesome. His stats also support the curve (Bardock, 3rd form SS vegeta making 13, and with random 1 of FF, you basically rape) and his fierce 2 helps take away options.
Another strike on FP is his underwhelming effect and stats. If I need to ditch a T7 warrior who gives me 4 support and field strength, Why would I want a guy who has the same support, with only +1 combat, and a "win more" effect, as opposed to the "take over the game" type effect I just gave up. really, I see no intelligent reason to ever play FP :\
FP frieza can not be wished in play
I realized that once I saw the card the second time. This makes FP even more crappy. Why have a card that simply can't be wished into play? He's the only character that is that way, and therefore means you have to wish FF into play OR get through three levels of evolution. Even further arguing AGAINST FP Frieza.
CaMeRoN
10-11-2008, 02:49 AM
Is this a serious argument? This topic makes my insides hurt..
I plan on running a mono alien with Vegeta SS and Frieza FF.
Here is a post by me from CRG..
Yeah man.. This card is so bad.. Frieza [Final Form] takes this card out back and rapes it.. It's a shame though since the art looks so nice.. I mean really the art is amazing.. I absolutely love it.. It's going to be very sexy as a Super Rare..
The reason why I believe this card is bad (probably some of the same reasons as DNaraku) is because of a couple things..
(1) You need have at least 6 warrior slots filled up with a warrior that can only be deployed once. This means that 6 warrior card slots are essentially taken up for one warrior since you can only have 1 of him out at once.
(2) You cannot bring this warrior into play via an effect other than his own.
(3) It is extremely difficult to curve into this card. You have to hit 3rd Form, evo into Final Form, and then send your Final Form to chi to bring out 100%. That's a 3 card curve. Not an easy thing to do. Especially since you have to draw them all.
(4) The effect is good but it isn't good enough to warrant going through the trouble to put him into play.
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