Evil Tribe Organized not so good..

[Baby Vegeta]

Ok I for one think this is not true but hear me out and please answer.
Evil force organized says return target evil tribe warrior to play ect. ect. does that mean just return any evil tribe or does it have to be an evil tribe warrior that was in play?

[wildfire194]

You play an Evil Tribe warrior that is in your discard pile and place it into play. That warrior card does not have to have been in play before. Meaning that you can charge a Piccolo Jr. and then use it for a chi cost of a card then use this card to bring it to the field (as long as you have the requirements for Evil Force Organized)

[Baby Vegeta]

You play an Evil Tribe warrior that is in your discard pile and place it into play. That warrior card does not have to have be in play before. Meaning that you can charge a Piccolo Jr. and then use it for a chi cost of a card then use this card to bring it to the field (as long as you have the requirements for Evil Force Organized)

thats what i thought thanks.

[wildfire194]

Your welcome

also understand that this card also bypasses the warriors costs (turn cost and chi cost for deployment)

[DKRosen]

You play an Evil Tribe warrior that is in your discard pile and place it into play. That warrior card does not have to have been in play before. Meaning that you can charge a Piccolo Jr. and then use it for a chi cost of a card then use this card to bring it to the field (as long as you have the requirements for Evil Force Organized)

ADD ON: (I believe) The reason for this is because having _____ (Evil Tribe Warrior) in your Chi is (technically) in play. So from the Chi he goes to your discard. When you play Evil Force Organized, you are (technically) returning him to the field...just as an actually Warrior...instead of Chi.

Though...I rebut...and I will say that I think Bandai will make some sort of ruling to state that if the Warrior was moved straight from deck to discard (don't see how), or PD to discard, that Evil Force Organized will not work.

[Piccolo'sDad]

ADD ON: (I believe) The reason for this is because having _____ (Evil Tribe Warrior) in your Chi is (technically) in play. So from the Chi he goes to your discard. When you play Evil Force Organized, you are (technically) returning him to the field...just as an actually Warrior...instead of Chi.

Though...I rebut...and I will say that I think Bandai will make some sort of ruling to state that if the Warrior was moved straight from deck to discard (don't see how), or PD to discard, that Evil Force Organized will not work.

Chi area is not an In Play Zone. Deployment Area and Battlefield are.

Alright, I came over here from the other thread. You are overthinking the text of the card. The reason is states "Return" to play is because that is how all graveyard recurssion cards are phrased usually in any type of card game.

Case:

http://sales.starcitygames.com/cardscans/MAG8TH/zombify_foil.jpg

Now tell me straight up, that that creature had to have been in play before you Zombify it. No, it does not. It could have been discarded from your hand, milled from your deck, or put there any other way.

The simple fact is you are returning it from an Out of Play zone Into Play.

Please don't hurt your brain over cards like this. It's silly and defies common sense.

[Omega]

Evil Tribe Organized works as easily as 'take Evil Tribe guy from discard, put him in play in the team'.

Pretty much this, except I believe the card says you can place the Warrior in any team.

[DKRosen]

I'm not going to bother quoting, because it'll take up too much space. You're wrong when you declare Chi as a "not in play zone". ...and I'll stand by that with all of my knowledge unless you can show me where in the Rule Book it states that Chi is the one exception, when it comes to the three zones (Chi, Deployed and Battle Area) as being in play.

As far as over-thinking goes...you're SUPPOSED to over-think and question the cards That's why they came up with card rulings in the first place. Even card developers themselves don't catch every bug and flaw in the cards that they make. That's why we question them, and wait for a final decision. Also, it's not over-thinking, when the card SPECIFICALLY says R-E-T-U-R-N... Other cards like Journey of Adventure don't use the word Return. They say MOVE.

Lastly, please do not compare DB CCG to other games in this context. Yes, it's possible to make comparisons, but this is its own game, and (9 times out of 10) the mechanics for another game will not apply to this game and its rulings. Thank you.

[Piccolo'sDad]

All I will say is this. You are wrong, and Evil Tribe Organized works as easily as 'take Evil Tribe guy from discard, put him in play in the team'.

I applaud your deep analysis, but you are still wrong.

[DKRosen]

I'm not going to bother quoting, because it'll take up too much space. You're wrong when you declare Chi as a "not in play zone". ...and I'll stand by that with all of my knowledge unless you can show me where in the Rule Book it states that Chi is the one exception, when it comes to the three zones (Chi, Deployed and Battle Area) as being in play.

Wow...quoting one's self. I think that's a first. xD No, but seriously. I was wrong. Page 11 of Rule Book Ver. 1.1 (the current rule book) states that "Once a Warror or an Event you control is moved from any other area besides your Deployment or Battle area they are considered to be "removed from play"." So...with that said, the Chi area is NOT an in play area...so by that "ruling", according to the key term on the Evil Force Organized card "RETURN (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/return)", one would have had to have Lord Slug (or any other Warrior) on the Deployment or Battle area, prior to using this cards effect. Charging the Warrior as Chi, WITHOUT having moved him to the Chi area as a result of battle, would not qualify as having been in play...so they couldn't be returned this way. BUT I'm going to be waiting for a ruling before I begin following this process.

[DKRosen]

All I will say is this. You are wrong, and Evil Tribe Organized works as easily as 'take Evil Tribe guy from discard, put him in play in the team'.

I applaud your deep analysis, but you are still wrong.

And I'll kindly wait for the ruling, before I admit that I am wrong. My final take on it is this...if it really was that "simple"...they would have worded the card as "Move target "Evil Tribe" Warrior..." Instead of "Return target "Evil Tribe" Warrior..." It's not over-thinking, it's common sense.

[Piccolo'sDad]

I was wrong. Page 11 of Rule Book Ver. 1.1 (the current rule book) states that "Once a Warror or an Event you control is moved from any other area besides your Deployment or Battle area they are considered to be "removed from play"." So...with that said, the Chi area is NOT an in play area.

Everyone makes mistakes. That's why there are people around to correct it. :D

But yes, I will try to be a friendly as possible now and we can both wait patiently for an official ruling.

[DKRosen]

Page 11 of Rule Book Ver. 1.1 (the current rule book) states that "Once a Warror or an Event you control is moved from any other area besides your Deployment or Battle area they are considered to be "removed from play".".

Uh-oh. xD Think I found some more controversy. The rule book is slightly unclear on this. It says from any OTHER area besides Deployment or Battle. So that means if you move the card from your Chi, THEN it becomes "removed from play"...so the Chi area is still in play. Hmm...interesting.

[andysouthern]

I yesterday already asked mr flare on the forum Q&A because it'll possibly be an errata hopefully that favors lord slug. Thanks for posting here as well cuz I asked Cameron early and I kinda caused a panic button. Not to sound boastful, but I think I'm actually the first person to realize this and it's correct it's nowhere in the rulebook at all

[soviet prince]

I with PD saying we may be overthinking this, return just means from grave to play area in the majority of card games.

[andysouthern]

I have to admit I love the drama I created because of the attention I'm getting, but it was unintentional it came from me asking Cameron that question and I Imed him, and it wenta tid bit chaotic since, I said to him I'll have to ask mr. flare on his intake. I'm stuck on two things. Why the heck does it say return it's possibly the wrong word to use, I'm thinking it was a word vomit since the ability happens in the action step and they it couldn't say "deploy" They should've used "Put into play"...
Secondly, the rule book vaguely describes chi area in play. Personally I think chi does count for in play because how else are payment costs activated, certainly not by cards not in play.

Honestly the only person that can answer this for now is Bandai's Mr. Flare and I hope we get a definitive answer. And I also want to conclude that's it's not a common sense question, it's not a stupid quesiton, it's a legit question.

[wildfire194]

considering the conservery around this cards "wording" and the fact that Mr. Flare has been away from the site for nearly a month, I would say that, until we get some kind of offical ruling, that you would have to go with your best judgement. Nothing else we can do unless everyone just loves to argue :D

[andysouthern]

i'd like an answer by next monday but I'll willing to wait til next Friday. Who knew Unique would be so controversial

[andysouthern]

I asked my local meijin dude and he says that he's gonig to ask about the ruling. He just gonna ask the conditions of return in general. So far though his saying is in naruto, return effects do not require cards having to be in play prior, although it condradicts the definition of return.

[andysouthern]

my meijin called me back and says return means put in play thank goodness. He was on the phone with a rule person I don't know who he spoke with, but it was a long talk.

[Piccolo'sDad]

Flare perhaps is not the best person to hope for on his intake. He has been rather rude and snark to people before because they haven't understood a ruling and might have said something silly in the process, and I assume this will be no different, with a reply akin to

"Duh, [Blank] is obviously the answer."

But, that's just my impression he gave me after all.

[CaMeRoN]

If we have been given an official ruling by Bandai then we must take that ruling.

[andysouthern]

i trust my meijin's decision and it really depends on what your local meijin says is correct...I haven't heard from Mr. Flare, he may be doing other things at the moment, but for now it's safe to say that return doesn't literally mean return although it says so on card. also the definiton of return itself is ambiguous, according to oxford dictionary, the most English of all dictionaries I suppose, it really means come or go back to a place. So "come" to a place makes more sense. I'm gonna erase the question from Mr. Flare.

[soviet prince]

this is the english langage 1 word has a 1,000 meaning :p

[CaMeRoN]

this is the english langage 1 word has a 1,000 meaning :p

No it doesn't? o.O

[soviet prince]

I was exaggarating :P

[wildfire194]

Mr. Flare has made a ruling for this card in the Q&A Section. It was the same as the ruling I gave.

http://www.bandaicg.com/dragonball/showthread.php?t=1549

[Bibbo]

Consider the word "love". In English it can mean, like, really like, deep affection, etc. etc.

On Topic: I think the Q and A forum needs to be shut-down or least the forum sub-title changed from saying "Post or reply to Dragon Ball CCG questions."

On the original topic: I think I'm gonna use the card regardless of ruling

[soviet prince]

mr. flare has spoken now this topic can go away :P

[Piccolo'sDad]

Evil Force Organized: You can bring back any evil tribe warrior that's in the discard pile whether it was in play or not.

Yes, I win. Pay up DKRosen -.- lol.

[DKRosen]

Yes, I win. Pay up DKRosen -.- lol.

Right...you..."win"... In other news (xD)...