Captured vs giant body justzu question

[Baby Vegeta]

This is a serious question and I would appreciate a serious ruling, thanks.

If my oppnent plays captured on my cymbal paying 1 alien chi and 2 chi and I respond by playing giant body jutzu paying 1 chi. Giant body jutzu nulls the captured what happens? Would captured still stay in play and when giant body justzus effect wore off at end of the turn would he be captured? Or would captured go to the chi for not having a valid target?

[soviet prince]

my geuss is GBJ would negate it since it's no longer a turn 1, I would geuss they it may stay on the field becuse the effect is still going but the effect dont work, not sure though.

[CaMeRoN]

my geuss is GBJ would negate it since it's no longer a turn 1, I would geuss they it may stay on the field becuse the effect is still going but the effect dont work, not sure though.

Giant Body Jutsu doesnt negate.. How can a card that doesnt negate, negate a technique?

[soviet prince]

Giant Body Jutsu doesnt negate.. How can a card that doesnt negate, negate a technique?

1 captured is an event not a tech, and negate was a bad word choice meant that the effect will fizzle since the turn cost does not match.

[wildfire194]

here is what happens

your opponent plays Captured by paying its costs and targeting a warrior you control (in this case, Cymbal). Your opponent pays the 1 Alien chi and 2 other chi for Cymbal's turn cost of 1 (X+X). This starts a chain

You chain with Giant Body Justzu by paying its cost to respond to the effect of Captured.

Now, assuming that there are no other cards played in this chain, the chain would resolve backwords starting with GBJ. Giant Body would increase your Warriors turn by the number you chose to pay for the chi cost of X (lets say 1 for the sake of argument). Now your Cymbal is a Turn cost 2.

Capured resolves, but since Cymbal isn't a turn 1 anymore, Capured effect fizzles and disappears. Both Cards get charged in the chi area.

[soviet prince]

here is what happens

your opponent plays Captured by paying its costs and targeting a warrior you control (in this case, Cymbal). Your opponent pays the 1 Alien chi and 2 other chi for Cymbal's turn cost of 1 (X+X). This starts a chain

You chain with Giant Body Justzu by paying its cost to respond to the effect of Captured.

Now, assuming that there are no other cards played in this chain, the chain would resolve backwords starting with GBJ. Giant Body would increase your Warriors turn by the number you chose to pay for the chi cost of X (lets say 1 for the sake of argument). Now your Cymbal is a Turn cost 2.

Capured resolves, but since Cymbal isn't a turn 1 anymore, Capured effect fizzles and disappears. Both Cards get charged in the chi area.


I was thinking that since it was a turn limit 2 it will still stay on the field reguardless of valid target or not?

[Baby Vegeta]

here is what happens

your opponent plays Captured by paying its costs and targeting a warrior you control (in this case, Cymbal). Your opponent pays the 1 Alien chi and 2 other chi for Cymbal's turn cost of 1 (X+X). This starts a chain

You chain with Giant Body Justzu by paying its cost to respond to the effect of Captured.

Now, assuming that there are no other cards played in this chain, the chain would resolve backwords starting with GBJ. Giant Body would increase your Warriors turn by the number you chose to pay for the chi cost of X (lets say 1 for the sake of argument). Now your Cymbal is a Turn cost 2.

Capured resolves, but since Cymbal isn't a turn 1 anymore, Capured effect fizzles and disappears. Both Cards get charged in the chi area.

Thanks man, I appreciate the help.

[wildfire194]

I was thinking that since it was a turn limit 2 it will still stay on the field reguardless of valid target or not?

no, it won't, since Capured has to have a target to stay in play.

Thanks man, I appreciate the help.

not a problem

[SSJ Puar]

Giant Body Jutsu doesnt negate.. How can a card that doesnt negate, negate a technique?

I guess anything can "negate" ven if it doesn't say negate,

Woohoo Wildfire, couldn't have said it better!:D

[majingogeta344]

here is what happens

your opponent plays Captured by paying its costs and targeting a warrior you control (in this case, Cymbal). Your opponent pays the 1 Alien chi and 2 other chi for Cymbal's turn cost of 1 (X+X). This starts a chain

You chain with Giant Body Justzu by paying its cost to respond to the effect of Captured.

Now, assuming that there are no other cards played in this chain, the chain would resolve backwords starting with GBJ. Giant Body would increase your Warriors turn by the number you chose to pay for the chi cost of X (lets say 1 for the sake of argument). Now your Cymbal is a Turn cost 2.

Capured resolves, but since Cymbal isn't a turn 1 anymore, Capured effect fizzles and disappears. Both Cards get charged in the chi area.

This isn't right. Captured would stay in-play still.

For ex: If I Capture Goku and he dies, Captured still stays in-play until it's timing ends.

So GBJ wouldn't make Captured go away, it would keep it from working for the turn that GBJ is used, though.

[Baby Vegeta]

This isn't right. Captured would stay in-play still.

For ex: If I Capture Goku and he dies, Captured still stays in-play until it's timing ends.

So GBJ wouldn't make Captured go away, it would keep it from working for the turn that GBJ is used, though.

For ex: If I Capture Goku and he dies, Captured still stays in-play until it's timing ends. I this case your correct. But if they target a warrior with captured and I GBJ it become an invalid target, therefore it would null and be discarded to the chi.

[majingogeta344]

For ex: If I Capture Goku and he dies, Captured still stays in-play until it's timing ends. I this case your correct. But if they target a warrior with captured and I GBJ it become an invalid target, therefore it would null and be discarded to the chi.

No, these 2 are the exact same thing. Whether the target dies or becomes a higher Turn Cost, the target is still invalid. Therefore, it would still be in play.

[Baby Vegeta]

No, these 2 are the exact same thing. Whether the target dies or becomes a higher Turn Cost, the target is still invalid. Therefore, it would still be in play.

Ok but next turn when GBJ effect wore off would my guy be captured or would captured stay in play with no target?

[Darksaiyanprince33]

i agree with Wildfire. because, in fact since, the order of the cards being put on the stack, GBJ's effect would resolve first, then, the captured wouldnt have a legal target, so it would fizzle and go to the chi area.

example, you said you captured a goku, he dies, captured stays in play. this is correct. but, when the captured was played, goku was chosen as the legal target, so therefore, in that instance, captured had a legal target when it was played. it did not have a legal target in this situation, so therefore, the card would implode to itself and charge in the chi area.

my stated opinion of course, but, im with Wildfire on this one.

[SSJ Puar]

We are just gonna have to wait until Mr. Flare hears from the game designers and starts answering Q&A questions. Because this is honestly a big controversie. I understand where Both Majin and Wildfire are coming from and they both make sense. Flare, if you read this please try to clarify ASAP.

[majingogeta344]

Ok but next turn when GBJ effect wore off would my guy be captured or would captured stay in play with no target?

The guy who used GBJ would still be captured.

[majingogeta344]

how? since the target of capured is no longer a legal target? You can't have a card be the target of an effect if the target isn't a legal one. This is why I am saying that Capured would get charged. Even if it wouldn't (for the sake of argument) then it would only be a dead card on the field for the 2 turns. So, it really wouldn't matter either way

Where in the rules does it say that if an event has no target it goes to chi?

[wildfire194]

The guy who used GBJ would still be captured.

how? since the target of capured is no longer a legal target? You can't have a card be the target of an effect if the target isn't a legal one. This is why I am saying that Capured would get charged. Even if it wouldn't (for the sake of argument) then it would only be a dead card on the field for the 2 turns. So, it really wouldn't matter either way

[Ninja Pebble]

Ok my 2 sense here. wildfire194 is right about the timing and the target is not valid any more, but I know it doesn't fizzle. The way it sounds to me is, since the target was not legal at the time the card "Captured" was played then when GBJ wears off the warrior is still safe from captured and it just sits there for the turns doing nothing. But I could be wrong and it switches over to a legal target when GBJ wears off. So this can only be really ruled by Mr_Flare. It's fine if Mr. Shine would rule this too.

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[wildfire194]

Mr. Flare has ruled on this and I was right. here is the link

http://www.bandaicg.com/dragonball/showthread.php?t=1590

[wildfire194]

Yes but if Captured is already in-play, GBJ will do nothing to stop it. Just adding to your answer.

yes, but that wasn't the question that was asked in this Thread.

[majingogeta344]

Mr. Flare has ruled on this and I was right. here is the link

http://www.bandaicg.com/dragonball/showthread.php?t=1590

Yes but if Captured is already in-play, GBJ will do nothing to stop it. Just adding to your answer.

[majingogeta344]

yes, but that wasn't the question that was asked in this Thread.

This is why I said "Just adding to your answer. " So people don't think that if they use GBJ, that Captured will always go away.

[DKRosen]

So, basically you can play Giant Body Justu, to "free" the Warrior for the turn you play GBJ, but at the end of the turn, the Warrior becomes "captured" again, but during that turn, Captured would stay in play. Only if you used GBJ in response to Captured, would Capture "fizzle".

[majingogeta344]

Only if you used GBJ in response to Captured, would Capture "fizzle".

The above is correct, but the other part wasn't.

Let's say I capture your Baba, you don't respond with GBJ. Next turn you use GBJ. Even if you make your Baba's Entrance Cost 5, she will still be Captured b/c it is attached to her and works no matter what.

[DKRosen]

The above is correct, but the other part wasn't.

Let's say I capture your Baba, you don't respond with GBJ. Next turn you use GBJ. Even if you make your Baba's Entrance Cost 5, she will still be Captured b/c it is attached to her and works no matter what.

Hmm...can you toss this into the Q&A cause I'd like another ruling on it. That doesn't seem all that accurate to me.

[majingogeta344]

Hmm...can you toss this into the Q&A cause I'd like another ruling on it. That doesn't seem all that accurate to me.

Already have:

http://www.bandaicg.com/dragonball/showthread.php?t=1587