payment conspirecy

[soviet prince]

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Something that has been bugging me is the difference in payment cost in Goku payment cost has a symbol in it yet Gohan don't. Also if you look at resistant cost effect there is a symbol with a number on it yet Goku and Gohan don't have numbers in the payment. So do you all have any ideas on what may mean.

[Kintaro]

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something that has been bugging me is the diffrence in payment cost in Goku payment cost has a symbol in it yet gohan don't. Also if you look at resistant cost effect there is a symbol with a number on it yet goku and gohan don't have numbers in the payment. so do you all have any ideas on what may mean.

As I said over in the other thread, it seems we may be getting a turn/"chakra" cost, as opposed to the turn/hand cost. Different symbols and colors depending on the card.......hmmm.....

And now that I look closer, there seems to be a Dragon Ball in from of that Goku (SS)'s text - so much forthe "Dragon Ball Drop" theory.....

[Kintaro]

well I wonder if it will be easyer to get ki out and why does goku's cost have symbols yet gohan has none

What are the two blurbs next to Gohan's turn drop that is the same shape as the symbols on Goku's? It's too small for me to tell if there's a number there or not.

[soviet prince]

well I wonder if it will be easyer to get ki out and why does goku's cost have symbols yet gohan has none

[DragonFist]

They seem definitely interesting cards...I wonder if the "dragon ball coin" (on gohan) = naruto's "ninja blade coin" (Growth)

[Evil Jim]

I think it just means that Gohan does not have a Hand/"chakra" cost, because he is a 3 drop. But SS Goku being a 6 drop has a 2 Hand/"chakra" cost.

[Kintaro]

I think it just means that Gohan does not have a Hand/"chakra" cost, because he is a 3 drop. But SS Goku being a 6 drop has a 2 Hand/"chakra" cost.

That's why I think they're goin for the "chakra"/Ki/whatever, in lieu of the hand cost - otherwise why not a number :p

[SSJ2 Gohan]

That's why I think they're goin for the "chakra"/Ki/whatever, in lieu of the hand cost - otherwise why not a number :p

that would put such a good twist on the game

[soviet prince]

I think it just means that Gohan does not have a Hand/"chakra" cost, because he is a 3 drop. But SS Goku being a 6 drop has a 2 Hand/"chakra" cost

but then why have a symbol at all?

[CaMeRoN]

but then why have a symbol at all?

There is a symbol. It's a dash; " - ". My guess is what Evil Jim said although it would be neat if we had to pay KI as a cost of powering up.

[soviet prince]

There is a symbol. It's a dash; " - ". My guess is what Evil Jim said although it would be neat if we had to pay KI as a cost of powering up.
Yeah but what I am saying is why not have no ki symbol if it needs no ki. Also if the dash means no ki cost then why does not Goku have a 2 instead of displaying 2 ki's on the card. (I hope you all get what I am saying finding it difficult to put in words.)

[Kintaro]

Yeah but what I am saying is why not have no ki symbol if it needs no ki. Also if the dash means no ki cost then why does not Goku have a 2 instead of displaying 2 ki's on the card. (I hope you all get what I am saying finding it difficult to put in words.)

No I get it - you simply beat me to it :D

I get what EJ was saying, since I had a closer look at the card after I posted, and yeah, it's a null sign. But as soviet said, why any symbol at all?

Hmmm....

[Chronomaster]

No I get it - you simply beat me to it :D

I get what EJ was saying, since I had a closer look at the card after I posted, and yeah, it's a null sign. But as soviet said, why any symbol at all?

Hmmm....

Maybe it's a check, and not an expenditure.

[soviet prince]

There is a symbol. It's a dash; " - ". My guess is what Evil Jim said although it would be neat if we had to pay KI as a cost of powering up.
I know there is a symbol, I am saying why is there a symbol if it has no cost.

[Evil Jim]

Look we have no idea how it will work, I know you want to talk about speculation of the game. But until we know it is a hand cost or "chakra" cost, it could go 2 very different ways. Maybe the DB game just wants to have the color of the hand cost on the card. In the SJ cards, (though maybe old) all have a blue symbol for the hand/"chakra" cost.

[Kintaro]

Maybe it's a check, and not an expenditure.

That'd be a strange mech, cionsidering what we've seen so far...and on such a low-level drop, too....

Stranger and stranger....

[soviet prince]

Look we have no idea how it will work, I know you want to talk about speculation of the game. But until we know it is a hand cost or "chakra" cost, it could go 2 very different ways. Maybe the DB game just wants to have the color of the hand cost on the card. In the SJ cards, (though maybe old) all have a blue symbol for the hand/"chakra" cost.


I know it can be 2 diffrent ways and I also know we don't the rules yet but this is a speculation thread where we can predict how things will work by using evidence to come up with an resonable answer.

[CaMeRoN]

Soviet, you do realise that you replied to my original post 3 times and said essentially the same thing.

Here's another idea what the null sign could mean. Perhaps it means that you can pay the hand cost for Gohan with any 'element'.

[soviet prince]

Soviet, you do realise that you replied to my original post 3 times and said essentially the same thing.

Here's another idea what the null sign could mean. Perhaps it means that you can pay the hand cost for Gohan with any 'element'.

some reasion it's quoting the same qoute go figure.

you may be right on the null sign but I believe like kintaro said that there paid by using ki instead of from the hand.

[CaMeRoN]

some reasion it's quoting the same qoute go figure.

you may be right on the null sign but I believe like kintaro said that there paid by using ki instead of from the hand.

What Kintaro said is a possibility not a fact. Yes, it we might be paid using KI or it might be a hand cost :)

[soviet prince]

What Kintaro said is a possibility not a fact. Yes, it we might be paid using KI or it might be a hand cost :)
I know that's why I said I BELIEVE LOL :P

believe it :D

[Kintaro]

Here's another idea what the null sign could mean. Perhaps it means that you can pay the hand cost for Gohan with any 'element'.

Ooooohhhh...good one!! :p

[JP98 S]

As far as the payment cost, it makes sense to me. The first time Goku went Super Saiyan it was because Piccolo sacfriced himself to save Goku and then Krillian got popped. All this to say it think it a cool cost. I would be cool with this as long as I could sack from the field or my hand for a cost like this. At the same time, these cards have not be confirmed to be real, so they could be really cool fakes. We will just have to wait and see.

[Chronomaster]

Soviet, you do realise that you replied to my original post 3 times and said essentially the same thing.

Here's another idea what the null sign could mean. Perhaps it means that you can pay the hand cost for Gohan with any 'element'.
Surprised I overlooked this possibility.

Maybe it's because I expect color.

[soviet prince]

As far as the payment cost, it makes sense to me. The first time Goku went Super Saiyan it was because Piccolo sacfriced himself to save Goku and then Krillian got popped. All this to say it think it a cool cost. I would be cool with this as long as I could sack from the field or my hand for a cost like this. At the same time, these cards have not be confirmed to be real, so they could be really cool fakes. We will just have to wait and see.
yeah did anyone find out where the other person got this cards, I am going to pm two rivers to find out.

[CaMeRoN]

yeah did anyone find out where the other person got this cards, I am going to pm two rivers to find out.

I never foudn out but I've been wondering. It's possible that he created them in photoshop. Let us know when you find out Soviet ^^

[soviet prince]

I never foudn out but I've been wondering. It's possible that he created them in photoshop. Let us know when you find out Soviet ^^
I pmed him on the other site that he linked to plus pmed james to provide if the cards are valid or not.

[CaMeRoN]

I pmed him on the other site that he linked to plus pmed james to provide if the cards are valid or not.

Any response yet?

[soviet prince]

Any response yet?
no not yet

[CaMeRoN]

no not yet

Ugh =\

I take it he's not goign to tell us. :mad:

[dbznarutoonepiece]

those cards are real! no wonder people keep on comparing the card game to naruto. i cant wait to play

[CaMeRoN]

those cards are real! no wonder people keep on comparing the card game to naruto. i cant wait to play

I'll believe you if you provide some proof.

The reason people are comparing this game to the Naruto CCG is due to the fact that it is going to be compatible with the Naruto CCG.

I can't wait either :)

[dbznarutoonepiece]

I'll believe you if you provide some proof.

The reason people are comparing this game to the Naruto CCG is due to the fact that it is going to be compatible with the Naruto CCG.

I can't wait either :)

no, thats not it at all.

if u noticed the cards their very similar, which would make some people compare the cards to the naruto card game. and its only compatible with the naruto ccg with special rules that u play

[soviet prince]

no, thats not it at all.

if u noticed the cards their very similar, which would make some people compare the cards to the naruto card game. and its only compatible with the naruto ccg with special rules that u play
being similar does not make them real, there more likely real but we need to be sure.

[CaMeRoN]

no, thats not it at all.

if u noticed the cards their very similar, which would make some people compare the cards to the naruto card game. and its only compatible with the naruto ccg with special rules that u play

The previews that has been shown thus far have not been endorsed by Bandai. Bandai has not officially released any previews for the DragonBall CCG. Therefor, I do not understand where you are getting the idea that people are comparing the games due to the cards being similar. It's very possible that someone used photoshop to create those cards. You might ask yourself, "Why would someone do that?". People do strange things for no apparent reason. Until we are given something official, I wouldn't base my arguments on something that hasn't been endorsed by Bandai.

The only thing we have to go off of is what James Takenaka has said. He has told the community here that the DragonBall CCG will be compatible with the Naruto CCG. This does not mean they are the same game. However, there was a lot of discussion regarding how similar the games might be due to this. It is all speculation as we have not seen the rulebook. It was thanks to this that people were wondering how similar the games were. Some people went as far as to say that they were the same. Before these potentially fake cards were released, people were speculating as to how similar the games would be thanks to James saying that the games would be compatible.

[dbznarutoonepiece]

being similar does not make them real, there more likely real but we need to be sure.

yeah thats what i originally thought as well. but then u see everybody posting threads about how if winning the game is like naruto or the hand cost is like naruto or energy cost is the same as chakra cost and stuff. im just making my point on how people are comparing the dbz ccg with the naruto ccg before we even have seen the cards

[dbznarutoonepiece]

The previews that has been shown thus far have not been endorsed by Bandai. Bandai has not officially released any previews for the DragonBall CCG. Therefor, I do not understand where you are getting the idea that people are comparing the games due to the cards being similar. It's very possible that someone used photoshop to create those cards. You might ask yourself, "Why would someone do that?". People do strange things for no apparent reason. Until we are given something official, I wouldn't base my arguments on something that hasn't been endorsed by Bandai.

The only thing we have to go off of is what James Takenaka has said. He has told the community here that the DragonBall CCG will be compatible with the Naruto CCG. This does not mean they are the same game. However, there was a lot of discussion regarding how similar the games might be due to this. It is all speculation as we have not seen the rulebook. It was thanks to this that people were wondering how similar the games were. Some people went as far as to say that they were the same. Before these potentially fake cards were released, people were speculating as to how similar the games would be thanks to James saying that the games would be compatible.

i know but im just claiming what everybody is claiming as of now, if they are real i mean. im getting ideas from people's threads that are stating that if naruto is like this, then dbz is like that. i mean seriously jsut look in the general discussion or in any toher section. oh and i know people do strange things, im not asking myself that.

Oh, and where did he say that? Ive only seen it on the toywiz website, ive never read anything about jtakenaka saying that. People have been saying this and that on how the games could be very similar due to the cards being posted by somebody that c ould be fake. we can only suppose that the games are similar because of what some websites say and what u said about j.t. stating that these games could be similar. if u can give me a link to where he said that that would be great. ill go check out his threads to, and see fi i can find it.

oh sorry about the bad spelling and grammar

[CaMeRoN]

i know but im just claiming what everybody is claiming as of now, if they are real i mean. im getting ideas from people's threads that are stating that if naruto is like this, then dbz is like that. i mean seriously jsut look in the general discussion or in any toher section. oh and i know people do strange things, im not asking myself that.

Oh, and where did he say that? Ive only seen it on the toywiz website, ive never read anything about jtakenaka saying that. People have been saying this and that on how the games could be very similar due to the cards being posted by somebody that c ould be fake. we can only suppose that the games are similar because of what some websites say and what u said about j.t. stating that these games could be similar. if u can give me a link to where he said that that would be great. ill go check out his threads to, and see fi i can find it.

oh sorry about the bad spelling and grammar

Everyone Should Read The News Posts By Jtakenaka Before Posting On The Boards. (http://www.bandaicg.com/dragonball/showthread.php?t=8)

[soviet prince]

he found them on TCG player I have now contacter the site to see where they have gotten the images.

[dbznarutoonepiece]

Everyone Should Read The News Posts By Jtakenaka Before Posting On The Boards. (http://www.bandaicg.com/dragonball/showthread.php?t=8)

yeah i read that already and it says "The compatibility of these two CCGs will undoubtedly result in incredible card game battles between these two very popular licenses." which means that those cards must either be real or as close as it could be. i dont know what ur trying to point out but im just saying that no wonder people keep on comparing the card game to the naruto ccg and u said no the only reason their comparing it is because its going to be compatible. im disagreeing with u and saying that thats not the only reason. and now we're just quoting and quoting each other. what are u trying to prove?

[CaMeRoN]

yeah i read that already and it says "The compatibility of these two CCGs will undoubtedly result in incredible card game battles between these two very popular licenses." which means that those cards must either be real or as close as it could be. i dont know what ur trying to point out but im just saying that no wonder people keep on comparing the card game to the naruto ccg and u said no the only reason their comparing it is because its going to be compatible. im disagreeing with u and saying that thats not the only reason. and now we're just quoting and quoting each other. what are u trying to prove?


You had originally said that the reason people were saying that the DragonBall CCG will be the same as the Naruto CCG is due to the card templates. I am disagreeing with you on that point. I think it's fairly obvious, for reasons mentioned in my above posts, that the reason people were misled was because of the wording Jtakenaka used in his news post. He said that the games were compatible. This wording misled people to believe that compatible meant they were the same.

[dbznarutoonepiece]

You had originally said that the reason people were saying that the DragonBall CCG will be the same as the Naruto CCG is due to the card templates. I am disagreeing with you on that point. I think it's fairly obvious, for reasons mentioned in my above posts, that the reason people were misled was because of the wording Jtakenaka used in his news post. He said that the games were compatible. This wording misled people to believe that compatible meant they were the same.

yes, u are correct. i said that the cards look the same, so i thought that is the reason why people kept on comparing them with naruto cards. u disagreed with me and i disagreed with u stating that ur reason of compatibility was the only reason their comparing each game. i am disagreeing with u saying that thats not the only reason their comparing the games. im saying that ur reason isnt the only reason why people are comparing the card games. I dont agree with u on the fact that people were misled by the fact that they are the "same," because he also says that with special rules they can be compatible with each games.

[soviet prince]

thanks you all now I am confused :P

[Evil Jim]

I think we all just need to agree to disagree. :D

[CaMeRoN]

yes, u are correct. i said that the cards look the same, so i thought that is the reason why people kept on comparing them with naruto cards. u disagreed with me and i disagreed with u stating that ur reason of compatibility was the only reason their comparing each game. i am disagreeing with u saying that thats not the only reason their comparing the games. im saying that ur reason isnt the only reason why people are comparing the card games. I dont agree with u on the fact that people were misled by the fact that they are the "same," because he also says that with special rules they can be compatible with each games.

If you really want to get down to brask tasks. You joined the forum on April 10th, 2008. I join on March 19th, 2008 when the forum first opened. The original speculation (before you arrived) was based on what James Takenaka said. The second form of speculation came forth when previews from Shounen Jump arose. The third form of speculation came forth when previews from PlayTCG came about. However, at the time the third form of preview was released, the members who had already speculated about the first two forms of speculation were over it. Now, with a new wave of people joining the forum, people are speculating all over again. That's where you come in.

You might consider re-reading what you type here before posting it and some grammar / punctuation wouldn't hurt either.

[soviet prince]

let get this thread back on track ppl.

[Chronomaster]

The previews that has been shown thus far have not been endorsed by Bandai. Bandai has not officially released any previews for the DragonBall CCG. Therefor, I do not understand where you are getting the idea that people are comparing the games due to the cards being similar. It's very possible that someone used photoshop to create those cards. You might ask yourself, "Why would someone do that?". People do strange things for no apparent reason. Until we are given something official, I wouldn't base my arguments on something that hasn't been endorsed by Bandai.

The only thing we have to go off of is what James Takenaka has said. He has told the community here that the DragonBall CCG will be compatible with the Naruto CCG. This does not mean they are the same game. However, there was a lot of discussion regarding how similar the games might be due to this. It is all speculation as we have not seen the rulebook. It was thanks to this that people were wondering how similar the games were. Some people went as far as to say that they were the same. Before these potentially fake cards were released, people were speculating as to how similar the games would be thanks to James saying that the games would be compatible.
Honestly, I find it very ignorant to almost dismiss what previews we have now as fake. So far, these cards compare to the previews we've recieved in the Shonen Jump. Add in the fact that this game isn't exactly the next Halo, and you have absolutely no reason to have any pro photoshopper come in and start faking cards.

Be more rational and consider what the press has released against the newest information. Does it line up? If it does, it's completely plausible. You're trying to dispel facts under the pretense of the rulebook not existing, yet we know it's somewhat compatible with Naruto, so we have to assume there are similarities (as in, there is a turn cost and there is energy colors and there is characteristics and there are statuses). People are comparing the games because they are similar; not just because the cards are similar, but because it has been said elsewhere that it is similar enough to hold unofficial matchups between them. It's not necessarily the same, yes, but it is similar.

Please, don't try to pull my PSA routine without knowing why you're doing it.

[dbznarutoonepiece]

If you really want to get down to brask tasks. You joined the forum on April 10th, 2008. I join on March 19th, 2008 when the forum first opened. The original speculation (before you arrived) was based on what James Takenaka said. The second form of speculation came forth when previews from Shounen Jump arose. The third form of speculation came forth when previews from PlayTCG came about. However, at the time the third form of preview was released, the members who had already speculated about the first two forms of speculation were over it. Now, with a new wave of people joining the forum, people are speculating all over again. That's where you come in.

You might consider re-reading what you type here before posting it and some grammar / punctuation wouldn't hurt either.

maybe u should read my entire posts before u comment. I said sorry for the grammar and spelling mistakes and u just read by that. ANd of that ur first sentence is a run-on anyway. talk about hypocrites:rolleyes: Anyway read what chronomaster said, its basically what i was going to say when u talked about the shonen jump promos.

[CaMeRoN]

Honestly, I find it very ignorant to almost dismiss what previews we have now as fake. So far, these cards compare to the previews we've recieved in the Shonen Jump. Add in the fact that this game isn't exactly the next Halo, and you have absolutely no reason to have any pro photoshopper come in and start faking cards.

Be more rational and consider what the press has released against the newest information. Does it line up? If it does, it's completely plausible. You're trying to dispel facts under the pretense of the rulebook not existing, yet we know it's somewhat compatible with Naruto, so we have to assume there are similarities (as in, there is a turn cost and there is energy colors and there is characteristics and there are statuses). People are comparing the games because they are similar; not just because the cards are similar, but because it has been said elsewhere that it is similar enough to hold unofficial matchups between them. It's not necessarily the same, yes, but it is similar.

Wow, where did that come from? I never said anything was concrete. I was merely stating that we shouldn't base any conclusions on the promos before they are confirmed by Bandai. However, it has been confirmed by Bandai and that is great! Previews are good and I am as happy as the next person that the previews are indeed genuine.

BTW, I really don't appreciate being called "ignorant". It's a very very offensive thing to say to someone. I don't think anything I said warranted that type of response. It seemed way over the top from my stand-point. Sorry if any of that offended you.

Please, don't try to pull my PSA routine without knowing why you're doing it.
I'm going to ignore that as assume it was just an angry comment.

maybe u should read my entire posts before u comment. I said sorry for the grammar and spelling mistakes and u just read by that. ANd of that ur first sentence is a run-on anyway. talk about hypocrites Anyway read what chronomaster said, its basically what i was going to say when u talked about the shonen jump promos.
Sorry, I think I read that part but it slipped my mind while I was responding. Punctuation is a good thing though ;)

I really feel the need to point this out. :( My first sentence reads "If you really want to get down to brask tasks.". I don't really believe that is what we would call a run-on sentence. Then again, I'm not an english teacher :) Please don't call me a Hypocrite, it's a very offensive term and I really don't appreciate being labeled as such.

[dbznarutoonepiece]

Wow, where did that come from? I never said anything was concrete. I was merely stating that we shouldn't base any conclusions on the promos before they are confirmed by Bandai. However, it has been confirmed by Bandai and that is great! Previews are good and I am as happy as the next person that the previews are indeed genuine.

BTW, I really don't appreciate being called "ignorant". It's a very very offensive thing to say to someone. I don't think anything I said warranted that type of response. It seemed way over the top from my stand-point. Sorry if any of that offended you.


I'm going to ignore that as assume it was just an angry comment.


Sorry, I think I read that part but it slipped my mind while I was responding. Punctuation is a good thing though ;)

I really feel the need to point this out. :( My first sentence reads "If you really want to get down to brask tasks.". I don't really believe that is what we would call a run-on sentence. Then again, I'm not an english teacher :) Please don't call me a Hypocrite, it's a very offensive term and I really don't appreciate being labeled as such.

"if u really want to get down to brask tasks" is an incorrect sentence in terms u telling me to get down to brask tasks and not explaining them in the same sentence. Thats what we call a run on sentence. obviously ur not. im calling u a hypocrite because ur acting like u spell check every sentence u write. if u dislike being called that then maybe u should stop critizicing peoples comments. We all make mistakes and i doubt u never made one.

[CaMeRoN]

"if u really want to get down to brask tasks" is an incorrect sentence in terms u telling me to get down to brask tasks and not explaining them in the same sentence. Thats what we call a run on sentence. obviously ur not. im calling u a hypocrite because ur acting like u spell check every sentence u write. if u dislike being called that then maybe u should stop critizicing peoples comments. We all make mistakes and i doubt u never made one.

Ino-Shika-Cho Ftw!

[dbznarutoonepiece]

Ino-Shika-Cho Ftw!

wtf are u talking about? Have u lost ur mind??

[dbznarutoonepiece]

get back to topic ppl, I don't want to read 2 pages of garbage

who do u think u are, a moderator? nobody asked u to read 2 pages of anything

[soviet prince]

get back to topic ppl, I don't want to read 2 pages of garbage

[DNaraku]

Then stop posting it.

[Mr_Flare]

I'm closing this thread as it's clear that it's not going anywhere or conducive to any kind of discussion. Please do not try to resurrect the thread as that will be closed as well.